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Replying To SixtiesKid:  "i NOTICED A TIPP CORNER BACK ON SUNDAY SWIPING WITH HIS HURLEY ON 2 OCCASIONS LATE IN THE GAME.
BOTH TRANSGRESSIONS WERE IGNORED"
Whats that got to do with the original point? Turn off your caps lock and stop shouting.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 16/02/2022 08:30:50    2400595

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Replying To daveboy:  "Peter casey took a blow by gleeson in AI semi prior to his red card which was rescinded at the first opportunity. Gillane stupidly reacted to a hurley slap by Barrett in munster final if you watch it again and lynch reacted to being grabbed around the neck by the cork defender so to counter your argument all three incidents mentioned were provoked. You can argue all day regarding the actions but you can't argue regarding the provocation.

The seamus Flanagan high hurley on paraic maher was not provoked but I will always feel there was no intention to hit maher in the head. He went to block him in the chest and a combination of his hurley being slightly high and the bounce up from mahers hurley caught him high. Seamus did not intend to catch maher high esp after just scoring a crucial goal that had limerick in the lead. For me it looked worse than it was and a yellow was correct.

I don't know of any other incident involving hegarty last year."
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I think yu're being biased on the Flanagan one. in my opinion there was obvious intent. When you put the hurley up like that to block someone you dont tend to use the quick forward motopn he used there....and it didnt bounce of Mahers hurl...

For me Gillane was frustrated with Barrett being all over him and he wont be the first to lash out like that but Flanagans one was far worse for me and was unprovoked. Even if Limerick are regulalrly provoked they need to get past that. I can't remmeber too many KK players or incidents when they were on top. I think Limerick managament will recognise that and try to stamp it out. You'd have to agree it could have cost Limerick an All ireland last year whether you think they were provoked or not they could have easily had at least 3 suspensions last year in the cship. Any good back will try provoke a forward. Anyone that has played the game has done this to some degree, have they not?

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 16/02/2022 08:42:28    2400597

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Replying To Rockies:  "If we have to do that... time to quit"
Time to quit so.

countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 838 - 16/02/2022 10:00:18    2400608

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Replying To johnocarroll17:  "And Rory McCarthy got a belt from one of the Bonnars as well ...."
Drove Rory mac into the fence on the Hogan side, but would you expect anything less from a Tipp man?

countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 838 - 16/02/2022 10:01:24    2400609

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Replying To tiobraid:  "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m99wWojXHls

I think yu're being biased on the Flanagan one. in my opinion there was obvious intent. When you put the hurley up like that to block someone you dont tend to use the quick forward motopn he used there....and it didnt bounce of Mahers hurl...

For me Gillane was frustrated with Barrett being all over him and he wont be the first to lash out like that but Flanagans one was far worse for me and was unprovoked. Even if Limerick are regulalrly provoked they need to get past that. I can't remmeber too many KK players or incidents when they were on top. I think Limerick managament will recognise that and try to stamp it out. You'd have to agree it could have cost Limerick an All ireland last year whether you think they were provoked or not they could have easily had at least 3 suspensions last year in the cship. Any good back will try provoke a forward. Anyone that has played the game has done this to some degree, have they not?"
problem with players provoking each other but surely if refs cut out the provocation in the first place there won't be a reaction. Look at Saturday night if Horgan had blown Cooney for barging Hegarty after the whistle was blown there wouldn't have been a sending off and pushing and shoving. In the GAA when you give away a free you can start hitting the fouled player and get him to react so the ref will throw in the ball. I'm not criticising Horgan(by far the best ref around) and Hegarty did strike Cooney very fast but refs don't punish players provoking others. Forwards get a lot of attention off the ball before it is delivered into them and linesman and umpires do not call it.
As for Flanagan tackle on Maher, Paudie made a career out of ducking his head into tacklers shoulders and swinging his neck around to win a handy free.

updwell (Limerick) - Posts: 904 - 16/02/2022 10:27:22    2400613

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Replying To Rockies:  "If we have to do that... time to quit"
Ye have had plenty of tough hard hurlers over the years to help the obvious skill players around them. Ye wouldn't have won all the AI ye have without a few unless you think like Donal Og that it was all mysticism and skill and beautiful creative hurling

updwell (Limerick) - Posts: 904 - 16/02/2022 10:34:11    2400614

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Replying To countyman2022:  "Drove Rory mac into the fence on the Hogan side, but would you expect anything less from a Tipp man?"
Got to love all this Tipp hate from Wexford posters on here recently.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 16/02/2022 11:17:29    2400624

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Some of the outrage about Hegarty may be jealousy, begrudgery call it what you want but a lot of it, including my own stems from a sense that Limerick do go over the edge more often than any team and tend to get away with it an awful lot.

Honest question? Would Limerick have won the All Ireland if Gillane and Flanagan had been given deserved red cards in Munster Final? Would they have beaten Waterford in AI Quarter Final with those two suspended? It literally completely changed the year but is passed off.
Not questioning their dominance/ ability just stating the obvious.

LarryOBrother (Wexford) - Posts: 412 - 16/02/2022 11:21:19    2400625

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Replying To tiobraid:  "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m99wWojXHls

I think yu're being biased on the Flanagan one. in my opinion there was obvious intent. When you put the hurley up like that to block someone you dont tend to use the quick forward motopn he used there....and it didnt bounce of Mahers hurl...

For me Gillane was frustrated with Barrett being all over him and he wont be the first to lash out like that but Flanagans one was far worse for me and was unprovoked. Even if Limerick are regulalrly provoked they need to get past that. I can't remmeber too many KK players or incidents when they were on top. I think Limerick managament will recognise that and try to stamp it out. You'd have to agree it could have cost Limerick an All ireland last year whether you think they were provoked or not they could have easily had at least 3 suspensions last year in the cship. Any good back will try provoke a forward. Anyone that has played the game has done this to some degree, have they not?"
All very good points and can't argue with a lot there. I just feel Flanagan had zero intention to hurt maher. It was clumsy and ill timed. It made no sense as you said there was no provocation the Flanagan is absolutely not that type of hurler. It looked bad I absolutely agree but if you saw stills of conor whelan challenging sean finn last Saturday in the face and neck with hurley It looked worse than mahers one but it's not topical so no air time and I've no problem with that either.

daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 1197 - 16/02/2022 11:28:39    2400631

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Replying To Rockies:  "If we have to do that... time to quit"
Rounders might suit ye better lad. Check out Donal Og red card v Galway 08.

daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 1197 - 16/02/2022 11:29:57    2400632

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Replying To Rockies:  "If we have to do that... time to quit"
Watch last years AIF back Rockies. The lad has a point- the space and time you gave the Limerick lads was unbelievable for a championship game.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16488 - 16/02/2022 11:36:44    2400637

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Replying To updwell:  "Ye have had plenty of tough hard hurlers over the years to help the obvious skill players around them. Ye wouldn't have won all the AI ye have without a few unless you think like Donal Og that it was all mysticism and skill and beautiful creative hurling"
Correct. Was nothing soft about O Sullivan, O Halpin, Gardiner etc. Since Bill Cooper starting suffering with injuries Cork dont seem to have anyone like that these days.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16488 - 16/02/2022 11:39:15    2400639

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Got to love all this Tipp hate from Wexford posters on here recently."
What Tipp hate? We appointed a Tipp man to manage us Tiobraid!!!!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16488 - 16/02/2022 11:49:41    2400644

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Some of the outrage about Hegarty may be jealousy, begrudgery call it what you want but a lot of it, including my own stems from a sense that Limerick do go over the edge more often than any team and tend to get away with it an awful lot.

Honest question? Would Limerick have won the All Ireland if Gillane and Flanagan had been given deserved red cards in Munster Final? Would they have beaten Waterford in AI Quarter Final with those two suspended? It literally completely changed the year but is passed off.
Not questioning their dominance/ ability just stating the obvious.

LarryOBrother (Wexford) - Posts: 412 - 16/02/2022 11:53:33    2400647

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Replying To Viking66:  "Correct. Was nothing soft about O Sullivan, O Halpin, Gardiner etc. Since Bill Cooper starting suffering with injuries Cork dont seem to have anyone like that these days."
Played myself for many years, in an era where if the ball was around, I felt entitled to whip on it even if an opponent was in the way. It was accepted. There was no picking up of a ball in a ruck because your hand would be taken off. I relished and enjoyed playing. I do not remember hitting an opponent purposefully off the ball! Ever! That is what I don't like about Hegarty's!

Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 16/02/2022 11:54:43    2400648

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Replying To LarryOBrother:  "Some of the outrage about Hegarty may be jealousy, begrudgery call it what you want but a lot of it, including my own stems from a sense that Limerick do go over the edge more often than any team and tend to get away with it an awful lot.

Honest question? Would Limerick have won the All Ireland if Gillane and Flanagan had been given deserved red cards in Munster Final? Would they have beaten Waterford in AI Quarter Final with those two suspended? It literally completely changed the year but is passed off.
Not questioning their dominance/ ability just stating the obvious."
Would Wexford have won in 96 if Dunne hadn't cut the hand off Kirby? I don't know so let's move on , it's 2022 and we have the hurling year ahead of us and we'll have plenty of incidents to comment on.

updwell (Limerick) - Posts: 904 - 16/02/2022 13:08:40    2400672

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Replying To LarryOBrother:  "Some of the outrage about Hegarty may be jealousy, begrudgery call it what you want but a lot of it, including my own stems from a sense that Limerick do go over the edge more often than any team and tend to get away with it an awful lot.

Honest question? Would Limerick have won the All Ireland if Gillane and Flanagan had been given deserved red cards in Munster Final? Would they have beaten Waterford in AI Quarter Final with those two suspended? It literally completely changed the year but is passed off.
Not questioning their dominance/ ability just stating the obvious."
Yes they would have won the AI

daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 1197 - 16/02/2022 14:00:15    2400694

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Replying To updwell:  "Would Wexford have won in 96 if Dunne hadn't cut the hand off Kirby? I don't know so let's move on , it's 2022 and we have the hurling year ahead of us and we'll have plenty of incidents to comment on."
Probably ya, they won with 14 and you don't tend to get sent off for pulling on the ball. Usually get red for lashing out or hitting a lad with the butt of the hurl in the face.

LarryOBrother (Wexford) - Posts: 412 - 16/02/2022 14:10:13    2400696

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Replying To updwell:  "Would Wexford have won in 96 if Dunne hadn't cut the hand off Kirby? I don't know so let's move on , it's 2022 and we have the hurling year ahead of us and we'll have plenty of incidents to comment on."
Classic deflection tactic, on 96 anyway would Wexford have won by more if they had 15 on the pitch for 70 mins and Joe Quaid didn't pull off 2 fantastic saves??

bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 16/02/2022 14:31:21    2400704

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Replying To wexico15:  "Classic deflection tactic, on 96 anyway would Wexford have won by more if they had 15 on the pitch for 70 mins and Joe Quaid didn't pull off 2 fantastic saves??"
They didn't have 15 men however as a man was rightly sent off and Quaid made two fantastic saves. Have to put the ball past the keeper for a goal. If we go down that line would Limerick have won if they hadn't hit any wides?

countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 838 - 16/02/2022 15:34:37    2400719

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