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Replying To himachechy: "If Bonner stays its hard to see the logic in massive change of backroom team / players when he has only one year left on his term. I agree things are very stale and need to be shaken up. No harm to Declan and his team, but I think it has run its course.
People talking about the low support numbers. I was at the Kildare game in Ballybofey in the league this year and I think it must have been the lowest crowd I ever saw at a home game. We had very small crowds at Cavan and Derry matches also. People have been voting with their feet all year and its hard to blame them for not spending their time and money on watching a team playing terrible football and a team playing with zero confidence or joy" They all watch there club teams play c••p football and there's no bother. Not supporters anyway.
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https://www.the42.ie/marc-o-se-3-5790333-Jun2022/
Ronan1989 (Donegal) - Posts: 81 - 14/06/2022 19:33:02
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Replying To rorysboys: "Talking about Mc Guinness is a waste of time now that ship has sailed. We had great days yea but we also had bad days. The way I feel it's entirely in bonners hands what happens. If he wants another year I might be wrong but I think he got 2 years then it's up to him. Do I think he will I can't see it , he's a great Donegal man but the abuse he gets from d•••s on line might make him think, my family doesn't need this or it might spur him on to say, why should I let these numskulls win. I was talking to an ex player last night and he was saying that he heard that a lot of the abuse was coming from two neighbouring clubs. Seems to be a personal thing on there behalf. Shame on whoever they are.. whatever you do Declan I hope you take your time and come to the decision that's best for you. You owe Donegal gaa nothing and you'll go down as the only man to take us to an all Ireland minor final.." Can you read? I was using mcguinness as an example of what a top quality manager can achieve.
Wishful thinking on your behalf that its only two clubs want Bonner to step down. Did you see the way we were out numbered by armagh. The donegal supporters gave there No vote of confidence in the manager on sunday.
And he should not wait to make his decision, it should be done within a few weeks so that it gives the next manager time to prepare. And time to look at club championship.
At least all the other posters name there club on here, you are to cowardly to name yours.
And stop being such am over dramatic snowflake, there is no abuse of the management, just good Donegal supporter's that care about Donegal football giving the opinions.
And the majority think Bonners time is up.
Nothing personal, its just he is not up to the job, as the entire country have seen
The keeper (Donegal) - Posts: 687 - 14/06/2022 19:57:13
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Regarding the crowds I think it's a combination of factors to be fair.
- The Ulster final defeat was demoralising for a lot of people. I can only imagine what it must have been like for the players. Derry did have a lot more support than us on the day but that's what usually happens when success starved counties are close to ending a trophy famine. I think a lot of people felt that our race was run this year after the Ulster final defeat. It's harsh on the players and management I know, but it's just being brutally honest.
- Secondly, there is more to life than football. Inflation rates are astronomical and there is no let up in sight. The situation in Ukraine is not getting better any time soon and will likely get worse if it drags on ito the latter part of 2022. Everyone is well aware of the current fuel prices, but you can expect the price of other things like groceries, clothes and other services to increase as well as it becomes dearer to get them from supplier to consumer.
- Derry and Armagh are on upward trajectories so a lot of their supporters will ride the crest of that wave given the dearth of success they've had over the last decade and more. That's their prerogative and good luck to them. But I think a lot of Donegal supporters knew in their heart of hearts that things just weren't going right for us this year. This isn't a pop at Declan or the lads either. Sometimes things just naturally run their course, particularly in sport and the best thing to do is have a good think and a bit of a reset.
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Replying To Sportsfanatic90: "That kind of attitude has served Monaghan football so well. Simple fact is the great counties take defeat well and are humble when successful. All I could see was lads falling around the stand well before throw in and booing as soon as the ball went in. Donegal has done more in the last decade than Armagh has ever done. Hope they get Kerry or Dublin then you'll see what great counties will do when they turn up the heat.
Worry about Banty g'lad" I think your incorrect about that from 99-08 Armagh were in 2 all ireland finals won 1 lost 1 won 7 ulsters and won 1 league title
credit_crunch (Armagh) - Posts: 57 - 15/06/2022 10:35:14
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Replying To The keeper: "Can you read? I was using mcguinness as an example of what a top quality manager can achieve.
Wishful thinking on your behalf that its only two clubs want Bonner to step down. Did you see the way we were out numbered by armagh. The donegal supporters gave there No vote of confidence in the manager on sunday.
And he should not wait to make his decision, it should be done within a few weeks so that it gives the next manager time to prepare. And time to look at club championship.
At least all the other posters name there club on here, you are to cowardly to name yours.
And stop being such am over dramatic snowflake, there is no abuse of the management, just good Donegal supporter's that care about Donegal football giving the opinions.
And the majority think Bonners time is up.
Nothing personal, its just he is not up to the job, as the entire country have seen" Stop talking nonsense. Maybe you should go to the dictionary and get the definition of a supporter. Don't kid yourself into thinking you are. You mention not knowing my club very few people tell there club on this forum. This is supposed to be about donegal football. The only reason I know your club is you never stop talking about Jim . An infatuation I would call it. Sad really.. if Jim is such a great gaa man why does he not put his hat in the ring when bonner decides to step down.. as I said before Jim was a great manager but the main man in us winning an all Ireland was a young Michael Murphyand my opinion won't change.. go off now and enjoy your club championship or maybe a bore fest would be a better name for it. Hopefully n Conal will play the way you wanted Donegal to play. But I doubt it but don't be afraid to come on and get at regan if they do.
rorysboys (Donegal) - Posts: 2392 - 15/06/2022 11:07:23
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Replying To Lockjaw: "Regarding the crowds I think it's a combination of factors to be fair.
- The Ulster final defeat was demoralising for a lot of people. I can only imagine what it must have been like for the players. Derry did have a lot more support than us on the day but that's what usually happens when success starved counties are close to ending a trophy famine. I think a lot of people felt that our race was run this year after the Ulster final defeat. It's harsh on the players and management I know, but it's just being brutally honest.
- Secondly, there is more to life than football. Inflation rates are astronomical and there is no let up in sight. The situation in Ukraine is not getting better any time soon and will likely get worse if it drags on ito the latter part of 2022. Everyone is well aware of the current fuel prices, but you can expect the price of other things like groceries, clothes and other services to increase as well as it becomes dearer to get them from supplier to consumer.
- Derry and Armagh are on upward trajectories so a lot of their supporters will ride the crest of that wave given the dearth of success they've had over the last decade and more. That's their prerogative and good luck to them. But I think a lot of Donegal supporters knew in their heart of hearts that things just weren't going right for us this year. This isn't a pop at Declan or the lads either. Sometimes things just naturally run their course, particularly in sport and the best thing to do is have a good think and a bit of a reset." You are right that people were down after the Ulster Final but therein lies the problem.We invest far too much on trying to win the Ulster championship and taking our eye off the big prize which is progressing in the All Ireland series.If Armagh beat Galway I am sure they won't be worried about Ballybofey.I myself can't understand this mentality,You would think they should be mad to get going again and put things right.On the game itself Donegal went from refusing to shoot against Derry to do nothing only shoot against Armagh.When we were completely on top we needed a goal to kill them off but we never tried to penetrate.Then we had that period of madness when we conceded all those scores from which we never recovered and all our mental frailties were exposed..
On the support issue, well, that started in the first league game in Sligo when we had hardly anybody at the Mayo game.In that game,the Derry game and the Armagh game when the opposition started to push the support made a huge difference in driving them on.We see when we are in Ballybofey how much the home venue means Those last games were virtually home games for the opposition.
gunman (Donegal) - Posts: 1056 - 15/06/2022 11:19:26
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Replying To Lockjaw: "Regarding the crowds I think it's a combination of factors to be fair.
- The Ulster final defeat was demoralising for a lot of people. I can only imagine what it must have been like for the players. Derry did have a lot more support than us on the day but that's what usually happens when success starved counties are close to ending a trophy famine. I think a lot of people felt that our race was run this year after the Ulster final defeat. It's harsh on the players and management I know, but it's just being brutally honest.
- Secondly, there is more to life than football. Inflation rates are astronomical and there is no let up in sight. The situation in Ukraine is not getting better any time soon and will likely get worse if it drags on ito the latter part of 2022. Everyone is well aware of the current fuel prices, but you can expect the price of other things like groceries, clothes and other services to increase as well as it becomes dearer to get them from supplier to consumer.
- Derry and Armagh are on upward trajectories so a lot of their supporters will ride the crest of that wave given the dearth of success they've had over the last decade and more. That's their prerogative and good luck to them. But I think a lot of Donegal supporters knew in their heart of hearts that things just weren't going right for us this year. This isn't a pop at Declan or the lads either. Sometimes things just naturally run their course, particularly in sport and the best thing to do is have a good think and a bit of a reset." Agree with this. I also think a big factor was the game being in Clones again, so that would be 3 trips to clones in 4 weeks for people who went to the Cavan and Derry games. It's a tough enough place to go at the best of times, never mind when as you say, most people didn't have much fail in getting the result
himachechy (Donegal) - Posts: 293 - 15/06/2022 11:25:31
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Replying To rorysboys: "They all watch there club teams play c••p football and there's no bother. Not supporters anyway." There will always be a core associated with their clubs who will always go to games, but the county team always has wider appeal and that's how it should be. It'll be interesting to see what kind of crowds clubs get when championship gets going. Might be decent crowds as people starved of county football now for 7 months, but cost and terrible football will be a factor.
I don't bother will senior championship games anymore. Most are like watching paint dry. Usually pick a Junior or intermediate game... bit more entertainment at those.
himachechy (Donegal) - Posts: 293 - 15/06/2022 11:31:15
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Replying To gunman: "You are right that people were down after the Ulster Final but therein lies the problem.We invest far too much on trying to win the Ulster championship and taking our eye off the big prize which is progressing in the All Ireland series.If Armagh beat Galway I am sure they won't be worried about Ballybofey.I myself can't understand this mentality,You would think they should be mad to get going again and put things right.On the game itself Donegal went from refusing to shoot against Derry to do nothing only shoot against Armagh.When we were completely on top we needed a goal to kill them off but we never tried to penetrate.Then we had that period of madness when we conceded all those scores from which we never recovered and all our mental frailties were exposed..
On the support issue, well, that started in the first league game in Sligo when we had hardly anybody at the Mayo game.In that game,the Derry game and the Armagh game when the opposition started to push the support made a huge difference in driving them on.We see when we are in Ballybofey how much the home venue means Those last games were virtually home games for the opposition." That should all change next year, as there will be very little benefit to winning the province in the new structure. Derry won the last real Ulster championship.
himachechy (Donegal) - Posts: 293 - 15/06/2022 11:35:40
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Replying To himachechy: "Agree with this. I also think a big factor was the game being in Clones again, so that would be 3 trips to clones in 4 weeks for people who went to the Cavan and Derry games. It's a tough enough place to go at the best of times, never mind when as you say, most people didn't have much fail in getting the result" Yes indeed,no part of Armagh would be more than 30 miles from Clones and they did pick it as their home ground when the Athletic Grounds were being developed..
gunman (Donegal) - Posts: 1056 - 15/06/2022 13:28:24
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Things have been going in a downward trajectory ever since losing to cavan in the ulster final 2020, even before that there was dissapointing results in super 8's etc but you can forgive that up to a certain point. But especially since that Cavan game it's just not been good enough.
Thanks to Declan for all he has done, especially turning the team around at the beginning, we played some real good exciting football back then. But I would hold out zero hope for next season if he stays, he has took them as far as he can and that's obvious for everyone to see. A shake up is needed big time.
The talent is there to really challenge for an all ireland, and hopefully we can do that over the next few years.
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A great article by Darragh O'Sé again in today's irish Times.
"Possession stats don't get you up the steps of the Hogan Stand"
Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9116 - 15/06/2022 16:22:52
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Replying To rorysboys: "Stop talking nonsense. Maybe you should go to the dictionary and get the definition of a supporter. Don't kid yourself into thinking you are. You mention not knowing my club very few people tell there club on this forum. This is supposed to be about donegal football. The only reason I know your club is you never stop talking about Jim . An infatuation I would call it. Sad really.. if Jim is such a great gaa man why does he not put his hat in the ring when bonner decides to step down.. as I said before Jim was a great manager but the main man in us winning an all Ireland was a young Michael Murphyand my opinion won't change.. go off now and enjoy your club championship or maybe a bore fest would be a better name for it. Hopefully n Conal will play the way you wanted Donegal to play. But I doubt it but don't be afraid to come on and get at regan if they do." Just a simple yes/no answer roryboy. Taking out mcguinness 4 years. How many all Ireland's have we won in Murphy's time? Even a simpler question how many semi finals have we got to in That same period? Shows your knowledge of fball lad and making a laugh of yourself really coming out way this stuff . But I guess there is folk out there that will go to any lenght to protect current management set up.
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There is a lot of talk about how much talent we have and how we have been under achieveing.What is the evidence for these opinions.Unlike our neighbours we don't win All Irelands at underage level.If you take out Murphy,McHugh and McBrearty who have been our star players for years what other outstanding players have we got.Other players fleetingly look like they could become really good but most are now in their prime and should be proving their worth at this stage.It would have been nice to get to Croke Park and get away from this Ulster thing to see how we really stand and maybe what people think about our talent would be proven right.
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Replying To marty234: "Just a simple yes/no answer roryboy. Taking out mcguinness 4 years. How many all Ireland's have we won in Murphy's time? Even a simpler question how many semi finals have we got to in That same period? Shows your knowledge of fball lad and making a laugh of yourself really coming out way this stuff . But I guess there is folk out there that will go to any lenght to protect current management set up." There's only a few lads making a fool of themselves on this forum, and I'm glad to tell you, your pne of them. Don't know who's the biggest idiot you low ball or the stay at home keeper. 3 people who don't go to games and have an opinion about everything ha. I'm not criticising Jim I have nothing but respect for the man, great manager, all I'm saying is we wouldn't have win all Ireland without Murphy. Surely you can see that. So sit back lad and wait for bonner to make his decision, he's under no obligation to keep fools like you happy and announce an early decision .. finally I would like to say well done to all the real genuine supporters who turned up last Sunday. There the people who have pride in there county.
rorysboys (Donegal) - Posts: 2392 - 16/06/2022 11:24:46
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Replying To gunman: "There is a lot of talk about how much talent we have and how we have been under achieveing.What is the evidence for these opinions.Unlike our neighbours we don't win All Irelands at underage level.If you take out Murphy,McHugh and McBrearty who have been our star players for years what other outstanding players have we got.Other players fleetingly look like they could become really good but most are now in their prime and should be proving their worth at this stage.It would have been nice to get to Croke Park and get away from this Ulster thing to see how we really stand and maybe what people think about our talent would be proven right." This might hurt people but we don't really have talent ,people think we have. I can see us sliding for a good few years. Murphy , Hugh, Mc brearty .could retire, have we players to replace them. I said at start of year we don't have man marking defenders to compete at the highest level . Do I see us unearthing a few in the next few year answer is a simple no. Until we find them forget about beating the bigger teams. There's alot of people who don't see this. In my eyes bar Mc Niallas all the best players are on the squad are they improving I think alot of them have gone back. When you see Armagh missing the two mackins . Grimly. Burns and still beat us well. What I'm saying to win anything you need a big squad of players who are as good as each other.. we don't have it. This is not criticising players I have the utmost respect for everyone of them. All good players in there own right but alot of them are similar players small and tidy on the ball but we're definitely missing big strong players in defence and attack.. hopefully we can unearth them but I doubt it.
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Replying To gunman: "There is a lot of talk about how much talent we have and how we have been under achieveing.What is the evidence for these opinions.Unlike our neighbours we don't win All Irelands at underage level.If you take out Murphy,McHugh and McBrearty who have been our star players for years what other outstanding players have we got.Other players fleetingly look like they could become really good but most are now in their prime and should be proving their worth at this stage.It would have been nice to get to Croke Park and get away from this Ulster thing to see how we really stand and maybe what people think about our talent would be proven right." Way I see it we approached the Ulster final wrong, the tactics we used were disastrous, it comes down to very small margins if we had gone after Derry a bit more I think we had the beating of them and look at the position we'd be in now if we had won Ulster, we'd be looking forward to an All Ireland quarter final with a real prospect of reaching a semi final at least and all would have been good,
as it was we slipped up and we never recovered to take on Armagh again who I believe are a much better football team than Derry.
Management is a tough job no doubt, the way I see it now it's very hard for Declan to stay on I think the confidence among the supporters in general is very low, nothing personal against the man and I really wish things had gone better for him,
we need new management but who is out there that can deliver for us?
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Replying To gunman: "There is a lot of talk about how much talent we have and how we have been under achieveing.What is the evidence for these opinions.Unlike our neighbours we don't win All Irelands at underage level.If you take out Murphy,McHugh and McBrearty who have been our star players for years what other outstanding players have we got.Other players fleetingly look like they could become really good but most are now in their prime and should be proving their worth at this stage.It would have been nice to get to Croke Park and get away from this Ulster thing to see how we really stand and maybe what people think about our talent would be proven right." The one game that always gave me hope that we could mix it with the best with this current crop was the Kerry game in 2019 in the Super 8s. We really went toe to toe with them that day and did not look one bit out of place. Who knows? Maybe it was the Covid disruption that derailed us? I think even Bonner's biggest critics would say that we were playing some good stuff back then, but were maybe just lacking a wee bit of steel when the heat was really on e.g. the Mayo game that same summer.
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Replying To Tirchonaill1: "Way I see it we approached the Ulster final wrong, the tactics we used were disastrous, it comes down to very small margins if we had gone after Derry a bit more I think we had the beating of them and look at the position we'd be in now if we had won Ulster, we'd be looking forward to an All Ireland quarter final with a real prospect of reaching a semi final at least and all would have been good,
as it was we slipped up and we never recovered to take on Armagh again who I believe are a much better football team than Derry.
Management is a tough job no doubt, the way I see it now it's very hard for Declan to stay on I think the confidence among the supporters in general is very low, nothing personal against the man and I really wish things had gone better for him,
we need new management but who is out there that can deliver for us?" Wee question you say tactics were disastrous in Ulster final , in hindsight now how would you have approached it. Nice simple question I asked before the game but got no reply's. If our tactics were disastrous derrys couldn't have been much better. Easy sitting back and saying it was disastrous but nobody's prepared to say how it should have been approached..
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