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Replying To thebronze14: "Probably an unpopular one but Patton isn't a great keeper. Fantastic distribution but poor as a shot stopper and commanding his area" I don't think I agree with you now. When he's absent that's when you know how good he is.
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Replying To thebronze14: "Probably an unpopular one but Patton isn't a great keeper. Fantastic distribution but poor as a shot stopper and commanding his area" i think he's a good shot stopper, great at kickouts but he's dodgy under high ball and yeah does not command the box well
however he's the best in the county by a mile
to me, he is a very good keeper but has mistakes in him
eddieSize5Balls (Donegal) - Posts: 67 - 15/07/2024 18:58:31
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I think Jim has almost the opposite problem than in 2011
Then he had big players who could defend and a couple of savage forwards.
Now he has a team that can attack but only a couple of out and out defenders
That's fine in one sense but it means Gallen and mcBrearty have to do a lot of tracking back to help defend.
Galway didn't need to do that with their shooters. They had a big defensive unit that could handle the runs and out muscle us. They attacked us quicker sucking us backward. And then could use their half back line more efficiently. Whereas we were too slow getting the ball forward with forwards that were more tired.
I'm not sure trying to find another Gallen is the issue. Niall O'Donnell, Conor O'Donnell, Jamie Brennan all played little or no part. And can all find scores in tight spaces.
We need one or two more imposing defenders to give us more balance. And give the forwards more breathers
Al_Maguire (Donegal) - Posts: 257 - 15/07/2024 20:09:14
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Felt at half time we were in trouble. Our scores were hard win whereas Galway were chipping away and had the goal.
Galway were just so well set up defensively and it always going to be hard to maintain that standard of shot taking with tired legs from acute angles.
Yes we didn't get rub of green but no complaints, Galway were better.
Agreed with posters on short kick out actually slowing us down. Did we ever go long? Need to add some variety. God what we'd give to have had Murphy option to help Gallen.
shaggykev (Donegal) - Posts: 284 - 15/07/2024 20:48:38
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Replying To Al_Maguire: "I think Jim has almost the opposite problem than in 2011
Then he had big players who could defend and a couple of savage forwards.
Now he has a team that can attack but only a couple of out and out defenders
That's fine in one sense but it means Gallen and mcBrearty have to do a lot of tracking back to help defend.
Galway didn't need to do that with their shooters. They had a big defensive unit that could handle the runs and out muscle us. They attacked us quicker sucking us backward. And then could use their half back line more efficiently. Whereas we were too slow getting the ball forward with forwards that were more tired.
I'm not sure trying to find another Gallen is the issue. Niall O'Donnell, Conor O'Donnell, Jamie Brennan all played little or no part. And can all find scores in tight spaces.
We need one or two more imposing defenders to give us more balance. And give the forwards more breathers" Totally agree we need a few tight defenders. Is there many out there I don't know, mc fadden ferry comes to mind , I'm sure Jim will be in contact with him..
rorysboys (Donegal) - Posts: 2536 - 15/07/2024 21:24:36
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Immensely proud of this donegal team, everyone and everyone associated with same. Huge strides in less than 12 months.
Tactically I thought we didn't react to Galway sweeper moving up to 45 in second half when there was now space around d and we should have kicked a few in to keep them guessing, moore made some great runs into acres of space in second half and was largely ignored by our ball carriers. I thought we were outmanouvered by Galway tactically in second half, not a criticism just an observation. As jim said afterwards massive learnings will be taken from this experience for next year and hopefully we will be back in the last 4 again
totalrecall (Leitrim) - Posts: 982 - 15/07/2024 21:31:08
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Replying To Al_Maguire: "I think Jim has almost the opposite problem than in 2011
Then he had big players who could defend and a couple of savage forwards.
Now he has a team that can attack but only a couple of out and out defenders
That's fine in one sense but it means Gallen and mcBrearty have to do a lot of tracking back to help defend.
Galway didn't need to do that with their shooters. They had a big defensive unit that could handle the runs and out muscle us. They attacked us quicker sucking us backward. And then could use their half back line more efficiently. Whereas we were too slow getting the ball forward with forwards that were more tired.
I'm not sure trying to find another Gallen is the issue. Niall O'Donnell, Conor O'Donnell, Jamie Brennan all played little or no part. And can all find scores in tight spaces.
We need one or two more imposing defenders to give us more balance. And give the forwards more breathers" Our defence is solid I think
Everyone talks about the Louth and Derry games where we conceded like 17+ points
In both games these teams scored a large chunk of their points at the tail end when the game was over.
We did very well against other teams throughout, but I am all for finding a couple more big defenders.
I am surprised Caolan Ward does not get a run in, yes he is in his 30s but he is a solod defender who is very fit and fast.
eddieSize5Balls (Donegal) - Posts: 67 - 15/07/2024 21:37:20
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1. Patton not at fault for that goal. A Galway player gets away from our defender and runs across his vision. Patton did ok with the few high balls in and had a good year..
2. Mc Cole and Ban did two fine man marking jobs with the help of Ryan Mc Hugh doubling up. Thought Ryan did well doing that but was quiet on the attacking front. If you told Jim that Comer and Walsh would only score what they did you would really fancy us to win.
3. Langan was superb in attack and defence scoring 4 and winning key turnovers. Showed great leadership throughout.
4. When we pushed up on their kickouts in the first half they got a lot of success. They kept 3 forwards in our 45. Mc Colgan only back from injury struggled on Finnerty with direct ball in. On Galway slow attack, when Donegal were set up, it was Mogan who ended up tagging him at times. Shows us what a quality player Mogan is. Can do both. We need him freed up from that role however next year.
5. The game came down to small margins. We lost a lot of 50/50 ball that went long. Thompson free in was harsh. I know Galway were missing Kelly but I think Conor O Donnell and Niall O Donnell fit would have made huge difference. Niall doesn't look right. Was our best player In Ulster.
Next Year.
1. We can't afford any injuries or lads leaving the panel!
2. We need some height in the team, Hughie is not the answer. Not mobile. But I don't know what club players suit the requirement.
3. Hopefully Roarty can come into the team and it could free Mogan up to attack. Maybe Jamie Grant , Mc Fadden Ferry. Don't think there's any attackers who will make an impact apart from Conor O Donnell.
4. We need to sort our kickout press. Surely, you aren't going to win every long kickout, but if you are pressing high to stop the short kickout and teams can still win it short and cause you damage from it, it's not good. We would have won that game by a good few points if our kickouts was sorted.
Don't want to sound critical, an excellent year with pride restored. Next year a lot will come down to the luck of the draw. So many evenly matched teams now.
Armagh
Galway
Donegal
Derry
Kerry
Dublin
TheRock2121 (Donegal) - Posts: 1183 - 15/07/2024 22:44:44
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Replying To rorysboys: "Totally agree we need a few tight defenders. Is there many out there I don't know, mc fadden ferry comes to mind , I'm sure Jim will be in contact with him.." Conor Morrison is a hard nut no messing defender..still good enough for county standard..would love for K Gillespie to get fit again and off course OmFF as well..with jim at the helm we definitely have the ingredients to win another all ireland..this year is great experience so roll on the next couple of years..
RoryGall35 (Donegal) - Posts: 184 - 16/07/2024 10:11:33
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Replying To TheRock2121: "1. Patton not at fault for that goal. A Galway player gets away from our defender and runs across his vision. Patton did ok with the few high balls in and had a good year..
2. Mc Cole and Ban did two fine man marking jobs with the help of Ryan Mc Hugh doubling up. Thought Ryan did well doing that but was quiet on the attacking front. If you told Jim that Comer and Walsh would only score what they did you would really fancy us to win.
3. Langan was superb in attack and defence scoring 4 and winning key turnovers. Showed great leadership throughout.
4. When we pushed up on their kickouts in the first half they got a lot of success. They kept 3 forwards in our 45. Mc Colgan only back from injury struggled on Finnerty with direct ball in. On Galway slow attack, when Donegal were set up, it was Mogan who ended up tagging him at times. Shows us what a quality player Mogan is. Can do both. We need him freed up from that role however next year.
5. The game came down to small margins. We lost a lot of 50/50 ball that went long. Thompson free in was harsh. I know Galway were missing Kelly but I think Conor O Donnell and Niall O Donnell fit would have made huge difference. Niall doesn't look right. Was our best player In Ulster.
Next Year.
1. We can't afford any injuries or lads leaving the panel!
2. We need some height in the team, Hughie is not the answer. Not mobile. But I don't know what club players suit the requirement.
3. Hopefully Roarty can come into the team and it could free Mogan up to attack. Maybe Jamie Grant , Mc Fadden Ferry. Don't think there's any attackers who will make an impact apart from Conor O Donnell.
4. We need to sort our kickout press. Surely, you aren't going to win every long kickout, but if you are pressing high to stop the short kickout and teams can still win it short and cause you damage from it, it's not good. We would have won that game by a good few points if our kickouts was sorted.
Don't want to sound critical, an excellent year with pride restored. Next year a lot will come down to the luck of the draw. So many evenly matched teams now.
Armagh
Galway
Donegal
Derry
Kerry
Dublin" We didn't do too bad with injuries all year, you'll always get one or two. That's when you need your squad. We need at least 26 players who are all capable of being brought on in a championship match, look at Armagh if my memory serves me right there still missing the mackins and maybe one more prominent player and yet there 26 is strong. I know mc geeney is there ten years and has all the players he wants available, I've no doubt Jim's squad next years will be a lot stronger. Looking forward to the club cship now . I always liked Jamie grant I see potential there, mc fadden ferry if fit but he could be injured, Ethan o donnell if he's home definitely a player you wudnt mind getting game time. I feel Ethan harkin could be worked on huge potential. There's more out there but as someone said county football is not for everyone, huge commitment needed.
rorysboys (Donegal) - Posts: 2536 - 16/07/2024 10:46:53
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Watched the game back last night for my sins. Nitpicking I know but the referee was inconsistent with his technical foul calls. Both Maher and Finnerty committed the same technical fouls as Thompson did, but they weren't called. Galway engineered scores from both instances, when a free out should have been given.
The Gallen free wasn't as tricky an angle as I initially thought. I just wonder with those sort of closer in frees, are they better being taken from the ground? I'm the last person in the world to be telling Oisín Gallen how he should be taking frees mind you.
Wee things, but they're the wee things that if they go your way in tight matches can get you over the line.
Anyway....club championships around the corner. I see the League Final between Gaoth Dobhair and Naomg Conaill is fixed for Saturday evening at 4.30 in O'Donnell Park.
Not sure if many of you participated in my Predictions Competition, TC, peiledoir, rorysboys....
Would there be any interest if I ran a simialr competition again for the Donegal championships? I'll include Junior, Intermediate and Senior.
Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9432 - 16/07/2024 11:11:05
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Replying To rorysboys: "Totally agree we need a few tight defenders. Is there many out there I don't know, mc fadden ferry comes to mind , I'm sure Jim will be in contact with him.." No point in looking to the past at men who aren't playing football.
There's a tight defender sitting on the bench who kept his markers scoreless for fun this season, and didn't lose a match all year. Certain that we would have won if Curran took Finnerty meaning McColgan would have been fresh on the bench when EBG came off.
SurelyToGod (Donegal) - Posts: 420 - 16/07/2024 11:18:39
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Replying To rorysboys: "Totally agree we need a few tight defenders. Is there many out there I don't know, mc fadden ferry comes to mind , I'm sure Jim will be in contact with him.." He was going to be part of the panel this year until he did his ACL. Hopefully he can come back from that.
greenfan (Donegal) - Posts: 546 - 16/07/2024 11:42:48
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Replying To SurelyToGod: "No point in looking to the past at men who aren't playing football.
There's a tight defender sitting on the bench who kept his markers scoreless for fun this season, and didn't lose a match all year. Certain that we would have won if Curran took Finnerty meaning McColgan would have been fresh on the bench when EBG came off." Don't know easy saying in hindsight. Curran started year well but cudnt have been doing it in the in house matches. That's the only reason I can think of why he wasn't getting game time. . The lad will feel disappointed but he's only young. Finnerty is a top player who if he gets quality ball is hard to handle one example is the first half point from play he got off mc Colgan. Wasn't a whole lot mc Colgan could have done. It probably was one of the reasons mc Guinness took him off.
rorysboys (Donegal) - Posts: 2536 - 16/07/2024 11:58:38
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A lack of tight markers didn't cost us the game, 5 scores from 14 shots in the 2nd half cost us the game.
greenfan (Donegal) - Posts: 546 - 16/07/2024 12:28:53
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Replying To TheRock2121: "1. Patton not at fault for that goal. A Galway player gets away from our defender and runs across his vision. Patton did ok with the few high balls in and had a good year..
2. Mc Cole and Ban did two fine man marking jobs with the help of Ryan Mc Hugh doubling up. Thought Ryan did well doing that but was quiet on the attacking front. If you told Jim that Comer and Walsh would only score what they did you would really fancy us to win.
3. Langan was superb in attack and defence scoring 4 and winning key turnovers. Showed great leadership throughout.
4. When we pushed up on their kickouts in the first half they got a lot of success. They kept 3 forwards in our 45. Mc Colgan only back from injury struggled on Finnerty with direct ball in. On Galway slow attack, when Donegal were set up, it was Mogan who ended up tagging him at times. Shows us what a quality player Mogan is. Can do both. We need him freed up from that role however next year.
5. The game came down to small margins. We lost a lot of 50/50 ball that went long. Thompson free in was harsh. I know Galway were missing Kelly but I think Conor O Donnell and Niall O Donnell fit would have made huge difference. Niall doesn't look right. Was our best player In Ulster.
Next Year.
1. We can't afford any injuries or lads leaving the panel!
2. We need some height in the team, Hughie is not the answer. Not mobile. But I don't know what club players suit the requirement.
3. Hopefully Roarty can come into the team and it could free Mogan up to attack. Maybe Jamie Grant , Mc Fadden Ferry. Don't think there's any attackers who will make an impact apart from Conor O Donnell.
4. We need to sort our kickout press. Surely, you aren't going to win every long kickout, but if you are pressing high to stop the short kickout and teams can still win it short and cause you damage from it, it's not good. We would have won that game by a good few points if our kickouts was sorted.
Don't want to sound critical, an excellent year with pride restored. Next year a lot will come down to the luck of the draw. So many evenly matched teams now.
Armagh
Galway
Donegal
Derry
Kerry
Dublin" Mayo are also comfortably on that 'list', and Tyrone likely not far off it. Div1 next year will be the proverbial 'group of death'.
Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3820 - 16/07/2024 12:40:09
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Think the reason Curran didn't start is his offensive side. If he added that to his game he would be close to starting.
TheRock2121 (Donegal) - Posts: 1183 - 16/07/2024 12:42:39
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Ultimately the Thompson free was a free. I guess the ref didn't see the Galway ones and he's only human. For a technical infringement I'd have no problem making the punishment an indirect free. Thompson was very unfortunate and the punishment was too great. In the same way i think a 45 should be an indirect free.
I think there were only 11 frees in the game 6-5 to Galway. It was a very small amount of frees. Probably highlights how little teams want to bring the ball into contact, though also he allowed for contact and I'm ok with that. It does highlight though that mccole free on comer was a soft one in the context of how it was reffed.
The stats were unbelievably even and it unfortunately highlights how much that post goal mattered. Whether or not you think the goalkeeper and defence could have done better the shot from Conroy was an awful effort and it was unfortunate.
I get a little bit frustrated for people saying Donegal should mix up the kickouts and go long. Galway basically gave up the kickouts and you have to go short then. You are hardly going to go long when you are outnumbered out the field. Also on the press, Derry had a great press until they didn't and Donegal hit them for four goals. You have to be careful putting too much emphasis on the press. Galway also have plenty big men and could target mismatches.
Ulsterchamps_32 (Donegal) - Posts: 772 - 16/07/2024 12:47:17
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Replying To rorysboys: "We didn't do too bad with injuries all year, you'll always get one or two. That's when you need your squad. We need at least 26 players who are all capable of being brought on in a championship match, look at Armagh if my memory serves me right there still missing the mackins and maybe one more prominent player and yet there 26 is strong. I know mc geeney is there ten years and has all the players he wants available, I've no doubt Jim's squad next years will be a lot stronger. Looking forward to the club cship now . I always liked Jamie grant I see potential there, mc fadden ferry if fit but he could be injured, Ethan o donnell if he's home definitely a player you wudnt mind getting game time. I feel Ethan harkin could be worked on huge potential. There's more out there but as someone said county football is not for everyone, huge commitment needed." In relation to Armagh you have to admire them and there are definitely lessons for Donegal for the next few years.
They won a minor in 2009 and after that there is no underage success. You have murnin and grugan still going from that team and they are well in their 30s now. Crossmaglen are not near the club team they used be and they are still the best in Armagh. Schools not bad but not great either.
Mcgeeney gets the best out of them. Players have fully bought into it and they just don't leave the panel and they don't give up. The only player that I'd be aware of that left was Hughes last year and he's back this year and likely the all star keeper to boot. Mcgeeney talks about repetition commitment to training. They might not win the all Ireland but you have to admire them.
I've no doubt Donegal players will do the same and if there is doubt among any of the team or any of the panel members who didn't see much game time this year just look to them.
Ulsterchamps_32 (Donegal) - Posts: 772 - 16/07/2024 13:06:47
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Hi folks,
First post here. Been keeping an eye on this thread for a while now. Avid follower from afar. The grandmother would have been from Burtonport before I was born and moved to Scotland.
I flew over for both the quarter final and the semi final. My in laws live in Antrim so it's handy enough to get to games. The issue I have os for ulster games and league games there doesn't tend to be a ticketmaster sale. So if I'm future any of you fine fellas would like to help me out that would be massively appreciated.
I'd hope going forward jim can unearth a few gems similar to the way in which Ciaran Moore featured for us this year.
Over and out troops!
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