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Replying To PeterQ92: "Is that not just good journalism on Devenneys part? I guess your point is that it was leaked to him. Whilst Molly and McHugh are legends of Donegal football I'm not sure if they are up to speed on the modern game and what is required. I have listened to McHugh often on Highland and e seems to be easily seduced by big names and sons of big names. I hope we don't just chase high profile candidates or star former players cos I don't see that working for us. We need men with track records in the recent past, experience of successful set ups and being involved at the very elite side of things." Devenney seems to be the unofficial pro of clg dun na ngall AudiMan (Donegal) - Posts: 676 - 26/07/2023 13:33:18 2497058 Link
Replying To PeterQ92: "Is that not just good journalism on Devenneys part? I guess your point is that it was leaked to him. Whilst Molly and McHugh are legends of Donegal football I'm not sure if they are up to speed on the modern game and what is required. I have listened to McHugh often on Highland and e seems to be easily seduced by big names and sons of big names. I hope we don't just chase high profile candidates or star former players cos I don't see that working for us. We need men with track records in the recent past, experience of successful set ups and being involved at the very elite side of things." His silence on the Donegal senior team and county board matter was deafening when it mattered. Any respect I had for him as a journalist died a sudden death at that point. Adding Molloy and McHugh, from what I can see is a populist move...knowing how much they are revered around the county, and buying kudos with a disillusioned and distrusting fanbase. If McGuinness had no intention of being involved on a ticket, either in a primary or partial role, he would be the ideal candidate to head the search as he knows what it would take and could weed out the bluffers. No 92/2012 players or any other men, unless they've won silverware at underage county, club or with another county as managers. That should be the bare minimum requirements. We've seen where sentiment for the past got us going backwards on too many occasions at this point to know better. StockholmGael (Donegal) - Posts: 135 - 26/07/2023 14:32:57 2497083 Link
Replying To AudiMan: "Devenney seems to be the unofficial pro of clg dun na ngall" He must be one of those who "Stood firm". Nothing personal against DV, but he must be aware that he is being used. But maybe he's happy to play that role. SouthOfTheGap (Donegal) - Posts: 722 - 26/07/2023 15:05:24 2497094 Link
Replying To gunman: "Do you think all the interviews should be streamed." Don't think the stream would work if it was being done by our current county board. ryan (Donegal) - Posts: 747 - 26/07/2023 15:05:34 2497095 Link
Replying To ryan: "Don't think the stream would work if it was being done by our current county board." Or it would be streamed in secret and the candidates faces would be blurred out alongside the committee faces. In the interest of transparency and integrity. Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts: 1389 - 27/07/2023 00:22:29 2497192 Link
Replying To StockholmGael: "His silence on the Donegal senior team and county board matter was deafening when it mattered. Any respect I had for him as a journalist died a sudden death at that point. Adding Molloy and McHugh, from what I can see is a populist move...knowing how much they are revered around the county, and buying kudos with a disillusioned and distrusting fanbase. If McGuinness had no intention of being involved on a ticket, either in a primary or partial role, he would be the ideal candidate to head the search as he knows what it would take and could weed out the bluffers. No 92/2012 players or any other men, unless they've won silverware at underage county, club or with another county as managers. That should be the bare minimum requirements. We've seen where sentiment for the past got us going backwards on too many occasions at this point to know better." No harm to Mr Devenney but to describe him as a journalist is pushing things a bit far....he provides opinions as an ex player....a pity that a lot of the opinions are not his own and he seems to be a quisling for the county board and others when a certain narrative wants to be trotted out to the public. totalrecall (Leitrim) - Posts: 1000 - 27/07/2023 09:52:49 2497217 Link
Replying To StockholmGael: "His silence on the Donegal senior team and county board matter was deafening when it mattered. Any respect I had for him as a journalist died a sudden death at that point. Adding Molloy and McHugh, from what I can see is a populist move...knowing how much they are revered around the county, and buying kudos with a disillusioned and distrusting fanbase. If McGuinness had no intention of being involved on a ticket, either in a primary or partial role, he would be the ideal candidate to head the search as he knows what it would take and could weed out the bluffers. No 92/2012 players or any other men, unless they've won silverware at underage county, club or with another county as managers. That should be the bare minimum requirements. We've seen where sentiment for the past got us going backwards on too many occasions at this point to know better." Why would winning silverware be a minimum requirement? Plenty managers do a great job with clubs and counties but don't win silverware. The reality is that the clubs and counties with bigger populations win the majority of the silverware in the gaa. greenfan (Donegal) - Posts: 586 - 27/07/2023 10:31:35 2497233 Link
I think it's fair enough that the members of the committee have been made known. Like others have mentioned, it would have been good if someone from the 2012 panel was also involved. But I can understand the managerial candidates' names being kept quiet. It is an interview process after all and some privacy and confidentiality is required. An interesting few weeks ahead. Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9541 - 27/07/2023 10:47:53 2497239 Link
Replying To greenfan: "Why would winning silverware be a minimum requirement? Plenty managers do a great job with clubs and counties but don't win silverware. The reality is that the clubs and counties with bigger populations win the majority of the silverware in the gaa." Good question and good point. Winning silverware is the most obvious sign of success, and it's what we should be aiming for in Donegal, whether it be for Ulster titles or a crack at the All Ireland if we have a squad capable of launching such a campaign. There are managers who do a great job at club and county without winning silverware no doubt, but I believe we should seek individuals who exceed the expectations. There have been managers within the county who have won county titles with clubs with small populations as well as managers who have won the championship with clubs that hadn't a history of recent success. Likewise, with managers who exceed expectations with smaller counties or counties without a recent history of success. If you take our rivals Tyrone for example, Fergal Logan had an u-21 title in management, Harte had won 2 x U-21 titles and a minor title as manager before he took over. We could argue that we havn't the schools Tyrone have, or the underage infrastructure as long as they have but the reality is, they're putting proven characters into senior team management with many more All Irelands to show for it. Why should we be setting the bar of entry into management lower than Tyrone? We as a county don't have managers succeeding at underage intercounty level, but hopefully our academy getting back on it's feet will propel us in the right direction in that respect, so we must look for good managers with a history of exceeding expectations at club or with managers who have done likewise with other counties. The alternative is arrogant self sufficiency, resulting in mediocrity and underachievement. StockholmGael (Donegal) - Posts: 135 - 27/07/2023 13:34:20 2497287 Link
Replying To Lockjaw: "I think it's fair enough that the members of the committee have been made known. Like others have mentioned, it would have been good if someone from the 2012 panel was also involved. But I can understand the managerial candidates' names being kept quiet. It is an interview process after all and some privacy and confidentiality is required. An interesting few weeks ahead." Hi Lockjaw: The chairman has stated that he was only chairing the committee and secretary was doing the admin on it and that the other 3 would be asking the questions and calling the shots. At least the fear beag will have the players ear. AudiMan (Donegal) - Posts: 676 - 27/07/2023 13:46:01 2497292 Link
Replying To StockholmGael: "Good question and good point. Winning silverware is the most obvious sign of success, and it's what we should be aiming for in Donegal, whether it be for Ulster titles or a crack at the All Ireland if we have a squad capable of launching such a campaign. There are managers who do a great job at club and county without winning silverware no doubt, but I believe we should seek individuals who exceed the expectations. There have been managers within the county who have won county titles with clubs with small populations as well as managers who have won the championship with clubs that hadn't a history of recent success. Likewise, with managers who exceed expectations with smaller counties or counties without a recent history of success. If you take our rivals Tyrone for example, Fergal Logan had an u-21 title in management, Harte had won 2 x U-21 titles and a minor title as manager before he took over. We could argue that we havn't the schools Tyrone have, or the underage infrastructure as long as they have but the reality is, they're putting proven characters into senior team management with many more All Irelands to show for it. Why should we be setting the bar of entry into management lower than Tyrone? We as a county don't have managers succeeding at underage intercounty level, but hopefully our academy getting back on it's feet will propel us in the right direction in that respect, so we must look for good managers with a history of exceeding expectations at club or with managers who have done likewise with other counties. The alternative is arrogant self sufficiency, resulting in mediocrity and underachievement." Yeah, we have been lazy in recent times with some underage managerial appointments. We have the same minor manager for 3 years, he also had the u16s before that and the ATU freshers and no success with any of those teams. greenfan (Donegal) - Posts: 586 - 27/07/2023 14:41:37 2497309 Link
Replying To greenfan: "Yeah, we have been lazy in recent times with some underage managerial appointments. We have the same minor manager for 3 years, he also had the u16s before that and the ATU freshers and no success with any of those teams." If there was a culture of say, county club championship winning managers moving into underage county management with a view to manage the senior team if they were successful at underage, it would be ideal but it's an easier ask logistically to manage in the parish you live in instead of travelling to convoy a few evenings a week for something that mightn't interest you as much as success with the club. I suppose that it would be a pathway that would only be attractive to ambitious individuals and sadly the vast majority of underage management teams in recent times seem too far outweighted with ambition than talent. StockholmGael (Donegal) - Posts: 135 - 27/07/2023 16:10:00 2497327 Link
Replying To StockholmGael: "If there was a culture of say, county club championship winning managers moving into underage county management with a view to manage the senior team if they were successful at underage, it would be ideal but it's an easier ask logistically to manage in the parish you live in instead of travelling to convoy a few evenings a week for something that mightn't interest you as much as success with the club. I suppose that it would be a pathway that would only be attractive to ambitious individuals and sadly the vast majority of underage management teams in recent times seem too far outweighted with ambition than talent." If you are a successful underage manager, there's far too much money to be made staying in club management. SouthOfTheGap (Donegal) - Posts: 722 - 27/07/2023 20:46:57 2497364 Link
Replying To greenfan: "Yeah, we have been lazy in recent times with some underage managerial appointments. We have the same minor manager for 3 years, he also had the u16s before that and the ATU freshers and no success with any of those teams." considering he was the only applicant 2 occasions, what do you recommend in that situation? I also think he won the minor league and the freshers league in his time, but sure who counts leagues eh.... beidhmeanseo (Donegal) - Posts: 139 - 28/07/2023 09:51:54 2497389 Link
Replying To beidhmeanseo: "considering he was the only applicant 2 occasions, what do you recommend in that situation? I also think he won the minor league and the freshers league in his time, but sure who counts leagues eh...." The job wasn't advertised so that's why there were no applicants. The minor league win means nothing, it was against an experimental Derry team. When it mattered in the championship Derry beat Donegal easily. greenfan (Donegal) - Posts: 586 - 28/07/2023 10:14:54 2497393 Link
Replying To greenfan: "The job wasn't advertised so that's why there were no applicants. The minor league win means nothing, it was against an experimental Derry team. When it mattered in the championship Derry beat Donegal easily." Derry beat them because they had better players,not because of the manager gunman (Donegal) - Posts: 1126 - 28/07/2023 10:27:23 2497397 Link
There's no smoke without fire, I hope, http://www.donegallive.ie/news/sport/1257985/timing-might-just-be-right-for-a-jim-mcguinness-return-john-gildea.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook&fbclid=IwAR22CRM2OObG45ynXdT7yJBUjg5PRvYGyCmsA4_-2pFzzphqiVeZerzXaFQ Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 3066 - 28/07/2023 12:04:41 2497419 Link
Replying To Tirchonaill1: "There's no smoke without fire, I hope, The" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.donegallive.ie/news/sport/1257985/timing-might-just-be-right-for-a-jim-mcguinness-return-john-gildea.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook&fbclid=IwAR22CRM2OObG45ynXdT7yJBUjg5PRvYGyCmsA4_-2pFzzphqiVeZerzXaFQ" The headline is completely misleading. Gildea said he 'hoped' the time was right. Someone then wrote a headline saying 'the timing might be right' greenfan (Donegal) - Posts: 586 - 28/07/2023 13:26:56 2497441 Link
Replying To gunman: "Derry beat them because they had better players,not because of the manager" Exactly if we lose in this county blame the manager if we win praise the players. rorysboys (Donegal) - Posts: 2580 - 28/07/2023 13:27:43 2497442 Link
Replying To Tirchonaill1: "There's no smoke without fire, I hope, Might" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.donegallive.ie/news/sport/1257985/timing-might-just-be-right-for-a-jim-mcguinness-return-john-gildea.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook&fbclid=IwAR22CRM2OObG45ynXdT7yJBUjg5PRvYGyCmsA4_-2pFzzphqiVeZerzXaFQ" Might get some of yous back out supporting Donegal. Suppose it depends on things go rorysboys (Donegal) - Posts: 2580 - 28/07/2023 13:29:13 2497443 Link