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Replying To AudiMan:  "Hi TheFlaker: Devenney on Greg Hughes show now, he only referenced 1 member of the county board and that was the coaching officer and he was very high in praise for him. You have been proved correct once again."
Whether Devenney is a friend or an aquaintance of the coaching officer is he not entitled to give his opinion the same as everyone here is doing anonymously .If you have two highly qualified people in Lacey and the Coaching officer you could have the ingredients for a clash which no doubt also impacted on the selection of the manager since both were involved in that.

gunman (Donegal) - Posts: 1149 - 23/03/2023 12:49:25    2465985

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Replying To rorysboys:  "We need an interim management to finish the year. Get bonner Murphy.Mc Guinness and Lacey together to try and get things up and running. Times short but no manager will come in at this stage. Disappointing for paddy he was given the short straw. Poor man."
Its laughable that you would do anything to get Bonner back in the fold, even through he was part of the problem the last few years.

The fact is Bradley and o'rourke will probably continue in the job, as there is only 4 weeks to championship, and they are part of the panel already.

Mcguinness was willing to get involved at start of season and the door was shut in him.
He then was in Down helping out in some capacity.
That to me would rule him out, but i hope i am completely wrong.

Yes there needs to be changes in how the county board operates, however calling for peoples heads is over the top. A lot of these jobs on the committee are unpaid voluntary jobs. Are there people willing to give up there time like they have?

The main problem with the county board is they have shut the door on the media. Therefore leave themselves open to criticism.

They need to be much more open in there dealings and more transparency will maybe stop all the speculation.

At this stage, we can nearly write off this year, but if this mess helps us finally get our act together then i can live with that.

And we must also get lacey and his 35 coaches back, no matter what it takes. That needs to be sorted asap.

The keeper (Donegal) - Posts: 711 - 23/03/2023 12:53:33    2465989

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Replying To Claretandblue:  "Those calling on executive to resign should be cognisant of the fact that these voluntary positions at county board level are practically a full time job with zero remuneration and less thanks. I'm not au fait with the internal wranglings in Donegal but replacing 6-7 or more of the executive seems drastic and not easily achieved."
you should have just left it with "I'm not au fait with the internal wranglings in Donegal". Should someone be kept in situ even if they are grossly incompetent and outright negligent, just because it's not easy to replace them?

you could have nobody replace some of these bucks and it would be a vast improvement on things

CCFabu (Donegal) - Posts: 173 - 23/03/2023 13:11:50    2465993

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Replying To AudiMan:  "Hi TheFlaker: Devenney on Greg Hughes show now, he only referenced 1 member of the county board and that was the coaching officer and he was very high in praise for him. You have been proved correct once again."
Devenney has the back bone to see both sides of the story.There is right and wrong on both sides of the story.

Too many looking for blood thats the problem

heyday (Laois) - Posts: 35 - 23/03/2023 13:14:22    2465994

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "I've seen this trotted out here and elsewhere on social media. Do you really think Jim McGuinness would come back on board and adopt the same tactics that he used before? Ridiculous. It's an entirely different set of players for one. Do you think he's that stupid or tactcially inept that he hasn't noticed that the changes in gaelic football over the last decade? How Dublin worked out how to beat a blanket defence? It's a very lazy analysis to assume Jim would just come back in and try to repeat to what worked before."
These types of comments are made be people with very little understanding of the actual game.

Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts: 1409 - 23/03/2023 13:38:45    2466003

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Like a lot of arguments in life, it would appear that money is at the root of a lot of what's been going on.
Eamon McGee made some good points of Off the Ball this morning.

We've reached the point where county boards need to be run by suitably qualified and competent people. The days of the diehard (but unqualified) GAA man being elected to county executive and expecting things to run smoothly are numbered.

That said, and a word of caution: getting the proper people in place to run things would require them to be remunerated accordingly. Similarly, Acedemy directors, full time coaches etc would also have to be compensated. How long then before players start asking, what about us?

To me there are some key things that need to happen:

1. The current executive need to resign.
2. We have to find suitably qualified replacements of utmost integrity with the success of Donegal GAA their only focus.
3. Get Karl Lacey's Academy back up and running ASAP

Easier said than done I know. Finding the right people to fill these roles will be difficult and then there is the obvious financial question. It saddens me to say that 2023 is dangerously close to becoming a write-off for the senior team. If we get the three items above sorted out and a new managment team appointed early, perhaps we can look to 2024 as a new beginning and go from there.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9759 - 23/03/2023 13:53:21    2466005

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Replying To heyday:  "Devenney has the back bone to see both sides of the story.There is right and wrong on both sides of the story.

Too many looking for blood thats the problem"
calling for accountability and transparency is the problem here alright

CCFabu (Donegal) - Posts: 173 - 23/03/2023 13:54:49    2466007

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Replying To gunman:  "If it is true that the players got rid of Carr does that mean they are happy with O'Rourke and Bradley seeing they are staying on.Like everything else Carr's statement doesn't tell us much.We now need a statement from the leader of the players telling us what part they played in his exit."
We dont need anymore statements!!

Too much being said in the media,only causing more harm than good.

heyday (Laois) - Posts: 35 - 23/03/2023 13:56:31    2466009

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Replying To The keeper:  "Its laughable that you would do anything to get Bonner back in the fold, even through he was part of the problem the last few years.

The fact is Bradley and o'rourke will probably continue in the job, as there is only 4 weeks to championship, and they are part of the panel already.

Mcguinness was willing to get involved at start of season and the door was shut in him.
He then was in Down helping out in some capacity.
That to me would rule him out, but i hope i am completely wrong.

Yes there needs to be changes in how the county board operates, however calling for peoples heads is over the top. A lot of these jobs on the committee are unpaid voluntary jobs. Are there people willing to give up there time like they have?

The main problem with the county board is they have shut the door on the media. Therefore leave themselves open to criticism.

They need to be much more open in there dealings and more transparency will maybe stop all the speculation.

At this stage, we can nearly write off this year, but if this mess helps us finally get our act together then i can live with that.

And we must also get lacey and his 35 coaches back, no matter what it takes. That needs to be sorted asap."
Were you not listening to your own club man last night. He praised bonner and said that donegal were punching above their weight this last few years. All the real gaa people know that . What would you give now keeper to be sitting in division 1 and looking forward to have a chance of winning Ulster.. it's time Jim comes in and helps whoever is in after all he's about for the summer. Might get you back to going to games kid.lol

rorysboys (Donegal) - Posts: 2615 - 23/03/2023 14:07:33    2466017

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Replying To heyday:  "Devenney has the back bone to see both sides of the story.There is right and wrong on both sides of the story.

Too many looking for blood thats the problem"
Great to see you using both accounts still.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8384 - 23/03/2023 14:10:59    2466018

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If i hear once more about "suitably qualified" i'll loose it...

The GAA is an amateur organisation run by people on their own time. If people say its a money issue, well then who is going to pay for the suitably qualified people because suitably qualified dont come free. If you want the county board etc changed you go through the clubs.,.simple as.

For me Carr is an utter scapegoat in all of this. The real issue here is that there is a power struggle going on between two heavyweight groups that rippling through the GAA setup in Donegal. Dare i say, it was even in the background when Bonner was there.

ponger (Cavan) - Posts: 555 - 23/03/2023 14:12:39    2466019

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Replying To gunman:  "Whether Devenney is a friend or an aquaintance of the coaching officer is he not entitled to give his opinion the same as everyone here is doing anonymously .If you have two highly qualified people in Lacey and the Coaching officer you could have the ingredients for a clash which no doubt also impacted on the selection of the manager since both were involved in that."
Not when Devenney kept silent and claimed he didn't know what was happening and why there was a fallout. Or even not acknowledging the shambolic appointment process which the man in question had a key role in while also appointing himself as part of the backroom team. That should be enough alone for heads to roll never mind the academy circus.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8384 - 23/03/2023 14:15:08    2466020

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Replying To neutral:  "Listening to Highland Radio Brendan Devenney he seems to be a spokesman for the coaching officer saying he is the most highly rated coach in Ireland and we should be so happy that he is involved at no expence to the county."
He's the county board minister for propaganda...

totalrecall (Leitrim) - Posts: 1060 - 23/03/2023 14:34:48    2466023

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Replying To heyday:  "We dont need anymore statements!!

Too much being said in the media,only causing more harm than good."
Agreed, time for talking is over, clubs need to table a vote of no confidence in executive, vote in a new board, also get rid of orourke & Bradley, get lacey and the lads back running the academy and get a new manager ASAP, simples!

totalrecall (Leitrim) - Posts: 1060 - 23/03/2023 14:38:28    2466024

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "Great to see you using both accounts still."
you are over thinking my friend.

heyday (Laois) - Posts: 35 - 23/03/2023 14:44:24    2466026

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Replying To rorysboys:  "Were you not listening to your own club man last night. He praised bonner and said that donegal were punching above their weight this last few years. All the real gaa people know that . What would you give now keeper to be sitting in division 1 and looking forward to have a chance of winning Ulster.. it's time Jim comes in and helps whoever is in after all he's about for the summer. Might get you back to going to games kid.lol"
My own clubman is mates with Bonner, so i expect him to say that and back Bonner.

Fact is the regression and rot started under Bonners watch. And you cant handle that.

Fact is we got relegated in 2013 under mcguinness, but our supporters had every faith in him to get us back, because he was a proven winner.

Being in Div 2 doesn't worry me to much. Its the mess the county board is doing with everything the last few seasons.

Bonners extension, the media black out, paddy carrs appointment, the lacey disaster.
Its one disaster after another.

I think if you had a survey now on what the supporters want, it would read, more accountability, more openness and transparency.
And 99% of supporters would want mcguinness and 1% (rorysboys) would want bonner.

The keeper (Donegal) - Posts: 711 - 23/03/2023 14:48:09    2466029

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Replying To heyday:  "Devenney has the back bone to see both sides of the story.There is right and wrong on both sides of the story.

Too many looking for blood thats the problem"
Devenney only providing one side of the story...

totalrecall (Leitrim) - Posts: 1060 - 23/03/2023 14:56:41    2466033

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Replying To ponger:  "If i hear once more about "suitably qualified" i'll loose it...

The GAA is an amateur organisation run by people on their own time. If people say its a money issue, well then who is going to pay for the suitably qualified people because suitably qualified dont come free. If you want the county board etc changed you go through the clubs.,.simple as.

For me Carr is an utter scapegoat in all of this. The real issue here is that there is a power struggle going on between two heavyweight groups that rippling through the GAA setup in Donegal. Dare i say, it was even in the background when Bonner was there."
There are "suitably qualified" people who also have a huge interest in the GAA. They're the kind of people you need. Of course as you say, they don't come cheap and time is another factor. In an ideal world you'd have a recently retired CEO or executive, with a deep interest in the GAA. These types of people would perhaps do it for a nominal salary, but it need not break the bank. I agree those people aren't easy to find, but it's not like they're not out there either.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9759 - 23/03/2023 14:56:52    2466034

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Replying To Breffni1969:  "How come O Rourke and Bradley are not needed in their own Counties management teams?
What makes you think they good enough to be involved with Donegal?
There plenty of Coaches / Managers within the county that could easily work together
The CB are not blameless either
It's weeks since Lacey left , yet the meeting is tonight."
You've picked me up completely wrong.

I don't believe that O'Rourke or Bradley should be anywhere near the Donegal set up. I believe that we have plenty of eminently qualified coaches in the County.

The fact is, O'Rourke was the choice of the former Chairman, who appointed himself to the 3 man Committee to select the Manager. O'Rourke, as far as I'm aware was not nominated by anyone. It appears that Paddy Carr, having properly received a nomination, was then used as a figurehead to get O'Rourke involved. The reality is that the announcement of a joint ticket with Carr and O'Rourke was the first point where Paddy Carr was undermined.

So, Paddy Carr in his statement said that having spoken with Senior players that he made his decision. Well in my mind, if those same Senior players recommend O'Rourke, it would indicate that those same players have been used by O'Rourke to oust Paddy Carr. The former Chairman will have gotten his way in the long run.

SouthOfTheGap (Donegal) - Posts: 777 - 23/03/2023 15:22:23    2466047

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Replying To heyday:  "you are over thinking my friend."
Everytime a new controversy breaks that doesn't look good for the county board PEIL20 goes silent and Heyday pops up with his similar views. Truly remarkable stuff.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8384 - 23/03/2023 15:30:58    2466049

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