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Replying To eunans4ever:  "Where do people think Cahir O Kane got that level on detail/insight into it all from???"
Are you saying any of it isn't true?

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8384 - 10/03/2023 13:26:10    2463194

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Replying To eunans4ever:  "Where do people think Cahir O Kane got that level on detail/insight into it all from???"
The individual isn't one of the people that was contacted for comment but is named in the article.

peiledoir20 (Donegal) - Posts: 1198 - 10/03/2023 13:28:00    2463196

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Replying To The_Fridge:  "to be fair only getting one side of the story. For all we know Karl Lacey could be at fault in some way. On the face of yes the CB certainly looks like they made mistakes. However Karl did go public to a local paper which probably ****** alot of people off.

Its a mess for Donegal and needs sorted. Karl not coming back and they have advertised for a new head of academy. Better getting a good appointment and moving on for everyone concerned. Could be a learning curve for new head coming in - make sure he knows exactly where he/she stands and the money side of it."
We could get Jim Gavin, Eamon Fitzmaurice and the senior partner at KPMG to head up the Acedemy and we'd still somehow manage to make a balls of it.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9759 - 10/03/2023 13:44:53    2463200

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The lads on here trying to shoot down the article because they can't row back on their previous stupid comments. The mind boggles.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8384 - 10/03/2023 14:00:16    2463205

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "We could get Jim Gavin, Eamon Fitzmaurice and the senior partner at KPMG to head up the Acedemy and we'd still somehow manage to make a balls of it."
What is it about Donegal not getting on with each other?
I see there is also a row about the election on the IFA chairman as well.
Time to grow up lads and lassies.

SixtiesKid (Galway) - Posts: 342 - 10/03/2023 14:10:19    2463209

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Replying To The_Fridge:  "to be fair only getting one side of the story. For all we know Karl Lacey could be at fault in some way. On the face of yes the CB certainly looks like they made mistakes. However Karl did go public to a local paper which probably ****** alot of people off.

Its a mess for Donegal and needs sorted. Karl not coming back and they have advertised for a new head of academy. Better getting a good appointment and moving on for everyone concerned. Could be a learning curve for new head coming in - make sure he knows exactly where he/she stands and the money side of it."
If this all doesn't go public it would just filter out and the same lads desperately trying to hold positions of power wouldn't be held accountable. It's pretty simple stuff. They ignored Jim McGuinness and didn't want any input from him because they know he would call them out and he is a threat to them. There won't be a reply from the coaching officer or the CB because they won't be able to dispute the claims in the article.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8384 - 10/03/2023 14:12:38    2463211

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Replying To TheRock2121:  "Club's did vote for Mc Gonagle. He won the majority of the votes through the club's but the executive then has votes to be added in to the equation which weighs more than the club votes ! Couldn't make it up. So the executive votes brought their man over the line despite the majority of clubs wanting MC Gonagle and his progressive vision. From my understanding Mc Gee is an honest man , maybe he's just being influenced by the wrong people."
Is that true? Like is that on record from that time?

That would be a strange setup

Commodore (Donegal) - Posts: 1340 - 10/03/2023 15:49:07    2463244

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Absolutely depressing stuff reading that article. Jim McGuinness available and no effort to bring in or use expertise in some capacity.

Former County Chairman says to local journalist to do a positive piece on academy,and it ends up in a meeting where Lacey asked to apologise over a line or two in it that a clear pathway between both bodies would be healthy and supportive saying lack of ties to coaching officer taken as attack on board, in context of piece saying what was happening in academy was run well. You couldn't make that up. Shooting ourselves in foot.

How would any prospective sponsor, coach, manager, volunteer want to give up time or money to an organisation if this is the way manage affairs. Worrying that that a player had to put payment on a credit card for training camp even if reimbursed later. We ask enough of them in terms of training and lifestyle.

In statement acknowledging Lacey resignation, said lessons need to be learned but then proceed to shut down questions on Monday. Putting out intent to hire an interim head and asking coaches to rejoin isn't addressing issue. Coaches walked citing lost faith in governance so how do they expect them to come back now when no changes made. How to you expect new coaches to cross picket line knowing the walk out. I cannot see anyone wanting that interim role with this in background.

I still think this will rumble on for a while and longer it goes more damage it will do. It's hard to see it getting resolved to any satisfaction as this looks like major surgery needed. It may need impartial people in to look at independently on finances or structure to report directly to clubs meeting to adopt solution if it's executive and academy in dispute. CB will not change structure if it's seen as giving up power.

DonegalDanny92 (Donegal) - Posts: 39 - 10/03/2023 16:12:49    2463252

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I thought the article was balanced, wasn't pro anyone at all citing lacey was the only one getting expenses (which I don't believe should be a problem). It's obvious cahir had spoken to a number of sources. One thing I think everyone will be agreed upon is it's an absolute sh1tshow!

totalrecall (Leitrim) - Posts: 1060 - 10/03/2023 16:22:09    2463253

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Replying To SouthOfTheGap:  "I know that today that we are all consumed with Cahair O'Kanes article, but I can't let the day pass without mentioning Laochra Gael last night. I was probably expecting a load of famous faces to be rolled out, to speak eloquently about the great man that Anthony was. But the production was very simple. And in the words of the poet from my school days "Beauty is truth, truth beauty, - that is all." And in listening to Anthony speak his truth, in his own understated way, his greatness was clear for all to see. A legend."
Agree, enjoyed it, he was such a leader, playing through pain barrier with knee and impact on him of winning Sam. The midfield battles in ulster in late 80s early 90s were unreal Molloy/Murray v Tohill/Mc Gilligan for Derry.

DonegalDanny92 (Donegal) - Posts: 39 - 10/03/2023 16:39:07    2463255

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Replying To The_Fridge:  "Karl Lacey"
100%

eunans4ever (Donegal) - Posts: 1693 - 10/03/2023 17:03:32    2463265

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "Are you saying any of it isn't true?"
No just asked a question.

The FACT is that nobody knows what is true except the county board & Lacey.

eunans4ever (Donegal) - Posts: 1693 - 10/03/2023 17:04:53    2463266

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Replying To TheFlaker:  "The lads on here trying to shoot down the article because they can't row back on their previous stupid comments. The mind boggles."
Who shot down the article - I can't see where that's said - can you show us please ??

eunans4ever (Donegal) - Posts: 1693 - 10/03/2023 17:05:44    2463267

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The article written IMO opinion is very very one sided and it's clear it's based on leaks from that one side.

I'm not saying any of it's not true but there is always 2 sides to everything.

The county board now need to either dispute what's been written strongly or step aside cause if it's all true it's a mess.

I'd suspect there are bits true but Also bits left out……

eunans4ever (Donegal) - Posts: 1693 - 10/03/2023 17:09:17    2463268

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Are ye well? The county board have had AMPLE opportunity to give their side of the story. Give over, it's a shambles and a resignable matter for the chair.

SurelyToGod (Donegal) - Posts: 452 - 10/03/2023 17:32:44    2463269

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Replying To eunans4ever:  "The article written IMO opinion is very very one sided and it's clear it's based on leaks from that one side.

I'm not saying any of it's not true but there is always 2 sides to everything.

The county board now need to either dispute what's been written strongly or step aside cause if it's all true it's a mess.

I'd suspect there are bits true but Also bits left out……"
They won't dispute anything. The likes of Jim Mc wouldn't put his name to something like that if it wasn't the truth. I will say it again, the executive have refused to answer any questions put to them on any issues raised. Add in the embarrassing email to journalists thanking them for taking their side. They are hoping to blows over. It won't. Lacey and Co. had to release this information to give a clearer picture as the county board refused to give any information when asked to give some clarity.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8384 - 11/03/2023 09:03:37    2463299

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Replying To SurelyToGod:  "Are ye well? The county board have had AMPLE opportunity to give their side of the story. Give over, it's a shambles and a resignable matter for the chair."
All executive members of the Tory party (county board) are culpable and should resign for the betterment of Donegal GAA.

ryan (Donegal) - Posts: 748 - 11/03/2023 10:55:13    2463317

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Replying To ryan:  "He is in as games manager for 7 month period in a paid role. U want him to go on the brew?"
And according to the article neither he not his predecessor 'felt comfortable' line managing Lacey. Seems like money well spend!

The GDM was the main link between the Academy and the CB and perhaps should have kept the communication lines open a bit better. Could have saved a lot of this mess.

peiledoir20 (Donegal) - Posts: 1198 - 11/03/2023 12:23:08    2463336

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Replying To peiledoir20:  "And according to the article neither he not his predecessor 'felt comfortable' line managing Lacey. Seems like money well spend!

The GDM was the main link between the Academy and the CB and perhaps should have kept the communication lines open a bit better. Could have saved a lot of this mess."
You seem eager to blame anyone other than the CB. Is it really that hard to conceive that they have made this mess. Granted there is undoubtedly bits and pieces conveniently omitted from the article, but the CB's candidness certainly suggests quite a lot of the wrongdoing was on their part.

From the outside, it certainly appears that a lack of governance, planning and preparation in setting up the academy are at the core of this. If they threw Lacey in to the position and left him to it, without carefully preparing the structures beforehand, or at the very least alongside Karl, then they are to blame, not Karl.

That combined with a few sensitive ego's, more concerned with self preservation than the betterment of football in Donegal, have us where we are. I would love to see a complete overhaul, with positions filled by progressive, forward thinking candidates. Unfortunately, in this country, it seems that no matter how much of a mess those in power make of it, they can simply ride it out without any accountability. Which is what will happen.

ninety-two (Donegal) - Posts: 27 - 11/03/2023 15:07:55    2463371

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Replying To ninety-two:  "You seem eager to blame anyone other than the CB. Is it really that hard to conceive that they have made this mess. Granted there is undoubtedly bits and pieces conveniently omitted from the article, but the CB's candidness certainly suggests quite a lot of the wrongdoing was on their part.

From the outside, it certainly appears that a lack of governance, planning and preparation in setting up the academy are at the core of this. If they threw Lacey in to the position and left him to it, without carefully preparing the structures beforehand, or at the very least alongside Karl, then they are to blame, not Karl.

That combined with a few sensitive ego's, more concerned with self preservation than the betterment of football in Donegal, have us where we are. I would love to see a complete overhaul, with positions filled by progressive, forward thinking candidates. Unfortunately, in this country, it seems that no matter how much of a mess those in power make of it, they can simply ride it out without any accountability. Which is what will happen."
Where and when have i said the CB are blameless? There is no party in this blameless.

But what i find strange is that neither GDM, past or present, felt comfortable in line managing. If it was in their remit it should have been done. Is that why things started to slide or get out of hand? From either side, before i get accused of being on one side or another again.

peiledoir20 (Donegal) - Posts: 1198 - 11/03/2023 15:46:22    2463384

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