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Replying To The keeper:  "I wouldn't worry about that poster, he is still sore that his mate got a no confidence vote by the supporter's not turning up at the last game, which meant the management had to go.
I agree we should be aiming for a semi final or quarter final every year, but as we have falling behind the last few years under the previous management.
I believe a new man has a lot of work to do the first year to just make up ground.
In all areas i believe we have fallen slightly behind, mentality wise, fitness wise and just getting confidence back in the team.
Do you remember all the pundits tipping Donegal to be a force a few years ago, and Thomas o'shea raving about langan and mcgee and other players.
That from a legend of the great kerry side.
So it just shows you that the talent is there.
It just needs the right man to lead them."
Stop making excuses for the new man already. County players are always fit and look after themselves so fitness won't be a problem.. weak excuse lad. Next year will tell us a lot.

rorysboys (Donegal) - Posts: 1721 - 28/07/2022 09:50:09    2435001

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Replying To eunans4ever:  "Lads pay no attention.

When he called for Mc Daid to be given the senior job he lost whatever tiny bit of credibility he was clinging on to."
Yea rich coming from somebody who's credibility went years ago. Is there somebody else using your account now.

rorysboys (Donegal) - Posts: 1721 - 28/07/2022 09:51:48    2435004

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Replying To Commodore:  "I agree that he could be a candidate to replace Ollie Horgan at Finn Harps at the end of this season.
If Jim McGuinness is to succeed in soccer and climb the ladder, he needs to showcase what he can do in that sport, bigger clubs need to see something before they will put their trust in him to manage a much bigger club. So he needs to take on a small club in a challenging environment and make something of them that demonstrates what he can do."
It would be an intriguing appointment. Ollie has been an absolute stalwart for Harps over the years and has kept them in the top division against huge odds. But it does look like this season it will be beyond them. Maybe he will look to step away.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 8052 - 28/07/2022 10:20:48    2435019

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Replying To rorysboys:  "Ah come on now, the reason Kerry win on Sunday was David Clifford, Jack o Connor done nothing with Kildare because he hadnt these top players. Same as Murphy winning in 2012 Jim was a brilliant manager but Murphy was the final piece in the jigsaw. Put it like this if Murphy wasn't playing in 2012 or Clifford in Sundays final would both teams have win answer no. So player is king over management I rest my case."
Well it would be hard to win a final with 14 men alright!

Kerry won nothing this last 8 years despite being in a very week province, a team like Kerry doesn't even regard their Munster wins as anything over the last 8 years. Jack came in and won them an All Ireland, which he has done before let's not forget. He was the main reason for Kerry winning, Clifford is 23 and has been been the best player in the country this last 3 years but didn't win them an AI.

Similar to Jim McGuinness and Donegal, he came in and changed everything, and won us an All Ireland. We've had no success on that front since he left, despite Murphy being in his prime. Why haven't we even come close to winning an all ireland since despite having multiple all star winner Murphy in his prime along with numerous other all stars in Mchugh, Mcbrearty, Mcgee, and even Lacey and Frank who was there for a few seasons after Jim. Why didn't those great players win us an AI in 2015, 2016, 2017 etc?

FootballGuy (Donegal) - Posts: 148 - 28/07/2022 10:22:38    2435020

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Replying To FootballGuy:  "Well it would be hard to win a final with 14 men alright!

Kerry won nothing this last 8 years despite being in a very week province, a team like Kerry doesn't even regard their Munster wins as anything over the last 8 years. Jack came in and won them an All Ireland, which he has done before let's not forget. He was the main reason for Kerry winning, Clifford is 23 and has been been the best player in the country this last 3 years but didn't win them an AI.

Similar to Jim McGuinness and Donegal, he came in and changed everything, and won us an All Ireland. We've had no success on that front since he left, despite Murphy being in his prime. Why haven't we even come close to winning an all ireland since despite having multiple all star winner Murphy in his prime along with numerous other all stars in Mchugh, Mcbrearty, Mcgee, and even Lacey and Frank who was there for a few seasons after Jim. Why didn't those great players win us an AI in 2015, 2016, 2017 etc?"
No Jack was not the main reason for Kerry winning an all Ireland. It was Clifford and the rest of the players. Why did Jack not win an all Ireland with Kildare. Answer because he hadn't the players. So that proves my point, good players win all irelands a manager helps. The reason no team win an all Ireland after 2014 was a team called Dublin.

rorysboys (Donegal) - Posts: 1721 - 28/07/2022 11:18:59    2435039

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "It would be an intriguing appointment. Ollie has been an absolute stalwart for Harps over the years and has kept them in the top division against huge odds. But it does look like this season it will be beyond them. Maybe he will look to step away."
100% the job is Ollie's for as long as he wants it, but based on that clip of him roaring after the Derry match I think he might be reaching the end of his tether

papa_pump (Donegal) - Posts: 64 - 28/07/2022 11:38:13    2435041

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Replying To rorysboys:  "No Jack was not the main reason for Kerry winning an all Ireland. It was Clifford and the rest of the players. Why did Jack not win an all Ireland with Kildare. Answer because he hadn't the players. So that proves my point, good players win all irelands a manager helps. The reason no team win an all Ireland after 2014 was a team called Dublin."
Explain then how Dublin can't win one with Dessie but won 6 with Gavin?

papa_pump (Donegal) - Posts: 64 - 28/07/2022 12:22:07    2435055

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Replying To papa_pump:  "Explain then how Dublin can't win one with Dessie but won 6 with Gavin?"
Big names retiring, hunger gone after 6 in a row.....

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 418 - 28/07/2022 12:50:18    2435061

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Replying To papa_pump:  "Explain then how Dublin can't win one with Dessie but won 6 with Gavin?"
Dublin win 2020 all Ireland with Dessie farrell in charge.. you learn something new every day.

rorysboys (Donegal) - Posts: 1721 - 28/07/2022 13:12:03    2435070

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Replying To papa_pump:  "Explain then how Dublin can't win one with Dessie but won 6 with Gavin?"
To be fair a manager has a huge bearing on it but in farrells defence there was a big turnover and some of the marquee lads are past their best. Gavin was fortunate that he had such outstanding footballers but yes he had to "manage" them and he did that outstandingly well. Jack o connor is obviously an outstanding manager, who gets the best out of teams. Similar to gavin, he had very good players but needs to "manage" them also.

In summary, of course you need the players to win, that's obvious to all but a manager can make a huge difference. He obviously was getting kildare playing to their maximum ability. Got them promoted to division one and to a leinster final where they lost to Dublin by 5 I think. This year kildare were relegated and were hammered in leinster final.

howdareu (USA) - Posts: 220 - 28/07/2022 13:16:56    2435073

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Replying To rorysboys:  "No Jack was not the main reason for Kerry winning an all Ireland. It was Clifford and the rest of the players. Why did Jack not win an all Ireland with Kildare. Answer because he hadn't the players. So that proves my point, good players win all irelands a manager helps. The reason no team win an all Ireland after 2014 was a team called Dublin."
The problem is usually opinions of who exactly is a good player.

For example if each of us here listed out our personal favourite starting 15 from Donegal, the majority of names would match, but there would probably be 3 or 4 differences. That is the difference that a Great manager makes in comparison to a good manager, the great manager can find that perfect blend and a winning formula.

Quite often great managers and coaches find their path to the job blocked by lower capability types who have more political sway around the clubs, that is our biggest obstacle as a County, navigating those selfish clueless types who use political influence to get themselves appointed to positions that will enhance their own status (Not a dig at Declan Bonner btw).

Commodore (Donegal) - Posts: 872 - 28/07/2022 13:34:55    2435080

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Replying To rorysboys:  "Yea rich coming from somebody who's credibility went years ago. Is there somebody else using your account now."
You do realise that the lad you are saying should get the job was given the road when he was in Rory G backroom team ?

You do realise that he walked away from u20 set up having thrown the toys outta the pram after a very poor spell in charge ?

Simple questions.

If your going to respond with childish name calling etc - save yourself the trouble.

eunans4ever (Donegal) - Posts: 1302 - 28/07/2022 13:46:31    2435083

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Replying To rorysboys:  "Dublin win 2020 all Ireland with Dessie farrell in charge.. you learn something new every day."
Fair point. Forgot it was Dessie for the COVID championship.

papa_pump (Donegal) - Posts: 64 - 28/07/2022 13:48:35    2435085

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Replying To Commodore:  "The problem is usually opinions of who exactly is a good player.

For example if each of us here listed out our personal favourite starting 15 from Donegal, the majority of names would match, but there would probably be 3 or 4 differences. That is the difference that a Great manager makes in comparison to a good manager, the great manager can find that perfect blend and a winning formula.

Quite often great managers and coaches find their path to the job blocked by lower capability types who have more political sway around the clubs, that is our biggest obstacle as a County, navigating those selfish clueless types who use political influence to get themselves appointed to positions that will enhance their own status (Not a dig at Declan Bonner btw)."
Looking through the managerial positions in Donegal this last few years especially underage it's the same people who are looking for the jobs. What does that prove. It proves that nobody is interested to gave there time to manage underage county teams.. yet there's people outside who do nothing but criticise these people. If nobody puts there name s forward or are interested in taking jobs what happens is that we don't have a manager. Easy sitting on the fence one thing bonner did is start at underage and worked his way up . There's not many in Donegal prepared to do that I promise you. A lot of people will only come in for the short term if they think we have a good team.

rorysboys (Donegal) - Posts: 1721 - 28/07/2022 13:53:29    2435087

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Thanks to Declan for all he has given to Donegal football over the years. Things had gotten stale and it was time to go, but I hope he knows that Donegal people appreciate everything he has given and the 2 Ulster titles were savoured by myself hugely after the Rory years. That draw against Kerry in 2019 was one of my most enjoyable days out supporting Donegal ever, it was a thrilling match and Declan had a huge part in that.

I said I couldn't be ***** with this forum any more and the same reasons apply but I just can't stand some of the stuff being said. Murphy's goal in 2012 defined the whole game, so therefore Murphy was the main or only reason we won it... the goal doesn't happen without the 2012 footballer of the year and one of our other best ever players, Karl Lacey. We haven't won or contested an All-Ireland since 2014 because of Dublin even though we've had Murphy in his prime (the main and only reason we won in 2012 apparently) as well as a good mix of youth and the 2012 side, and it's only because of Dublin and not because of management... even though since 2014 we've met Dublin exactly once in a knock-out championship game, 2016. How are Dublin to blame for us not reaching an All-Ireland semi-final other than that year? We also played them in the 2018 Super 8s but we had Tyrone at home to get to a semi-final that year.

Finally, it seems to me that the one poster going on and on and on and on and on and on would only be delighted for the next manager to fail in the same way as Declan did in the end because he could crow on here about the players not being good enough, it seems to me there'd be more pleasure taken from that than there would from the potential new manager making strides in year one and getting us to an All-Ireland semi. That may be harsh or unfair but to be honest that's how it has come across at this stage. There is a toxic atmosphere on this board and one poster consistently attacking everyone, posters that have not been against Bonner from day one, posters that supported Declan all the way through his tenure, posters that have come up with interesting posts and analysis and ideas about how we set up and posters that have been more than fair all through the last 5 or 6 years.

What some don't seem to understand is not the losing, it's the manner of it. I was very very proud of Donegal against Tyrone last year, in all the circumstances and with the game stacked against us, they fought tooth and nail until the heat really took its toll on our 14 men and Tyrone pulled away in the final stages. But jesus I walked away thinking we've the seeds of a great team here if we get a clear run. Fast forward to this year and the manner of both the Ulster final defeat and the 2nd half against Armagh was just so disappointing. And the signs had been there all year even though "it's only the league" was trotted out, that game in Killarney was one of the worst I have ever seen from a Donegal senior side and I have been following Donegal for a long long time.

The last thing you want is to walk away from a game thinking "we didn't really go for that". Some times players underperform, sometimes there's a moment of madness that changes the game, sometimes you're just unlucky, sometimes management gets it completely wrong and sometimes a game takes on a life of its own and you just have to watch it play out. We're all only human at the end of the day. But if I see the same mistakes being repeated game to game, the problem goes deeper than the usual "on the day" type stuff.

We can disagree about what that problem is but I just can't fathom anyone who has followed Donegal over Declan's tenure thinking for example that Galway are so far ahead of us, and that thinking we could also reach an All-Ireland final with our current crop of players in a different set up is some sort of mad thinking. Galway are a really good team that have had a clear run this year but in a knock out championship game I think we'd give them a great run and who knows how the game would turn out. And they made the final and by god they nearly won it. Armagh were penalties away from a semi-final vs. Derry, a team we beat out the gate earlier in championship. Derry we brought to extra time and I felt we really had them in the 2nd half but didn't kick on. All these teams competing in the All-Ireland series and yet we don't have the man markers and therefore we're crazy to believe we should perform better than we did this year.

I've heard Oisín McConville a few times saying that this year there will be a good 8 or 9 teams looking at the championship thinking "We have a real shot next year". He hasn't named teams but I've no doubt Donegal are one of them. There is no stand out side any more, Kerry are possibly about to kick on but I still think you can get at them. Tyrone, Donegal, Monaghan, Armagh, Derry, Galway, Mayo, Roscommon will all be thinking they are not far away and could take Dublin or Kerry on their day. Kildare I think will have huge huge regrets about how the championship shook out in the end for them. All of these teams have flaws, every single one of them, and pretending that Donegal having some flaws is an automatic reason we can't compete for Sam? That's lunacy to me.

People seem to forget a time that flawed teams won All-Irelands. Dublin are not the force they were under Gavin and I don't think we'll see their like again, not for a long time. Tyrone last year were flawed. Kerry this year are flawed. Kerry in 2014 were flawed. We were flawed in 2012! That's normal, no team is perfect and no team at the minute is perfect, not least Donegal. But can we be good enough in other areas to compete with these other flawed teams at the top table? Absolutely.

JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 1432 - 28/07/2022 14:39:51    2435100

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Replying To JoeSoap:  "Thanks to Declan for all he has given to Donegal football over the years. Things had gotten stale and it was time to go, but I hope he knows that Donegal people appreciate everything he has given and the 2 Ulster titles were savoured by myself hugely after the Rory years. That draw against Kerry in 2019 was one of my most enjoyable days out supporting Donegal ever, it was a thrilling match and Declan had a huge part in that.

I said I couldn't be ***** with this forum any more and the same reasons apply but I just can't stand some of the stuff being said. Murphy's goal in 2012 defined the whole game, so therefore Murphy was the main or only reason we won it... the goal doesn't happen without the 2012 footballer of the year and one of our other best ever players, Karl Lacey. We haven't won or contested an All-Ireland since 2014 because of Dublin even though we've had Murphy in his prime (the main and only reason we won in 2012 apparently) as well as a good mix of youth and the 2012 side, and it's only because of Dublin and not because of management... even though since 2014 we've met Dublin exactly once in a knock-out championship game, 2016. How are Dublin to blame for us not reaching an All-Ireland semi-final other than that year? We also played them in the 2018 Super 8s but we had Tyrone at home to get to a semi-final that year.

Finally, it seems to me that the one poster going on and on and on and on and on and on would only be delighted for the next manager to fail in the same way as Declan did in the end because he could crow on here about the players not being good enough, it seems to me there'd be more pleasure taken from that than there would from the potential new manager making strides in year one and getting us to an All-Ireland semi. That may be harsh or unfair but to be honest that's how it has come across at this stage. There is a toxic atmosphere on this board and one poster consistently attacking everyone, posters that have not been against Bonner from day one, posters that supported Declan all the way through his tenure, posters that have come up with interesting posts and analysis and ideas about how we set up and posters that have been more than fair all through the last 5 or 6 years.

What some don't seem to understand is not the losing, it's the manner of it. I was very very proud of Donegal against Tyrone last year, in all the circumstances and with the game stacked against us, they fought tooth and nail until the heat really took its toll on our 14 men and Tyrone pulled away in the final stages. But jesus I walked away thinking we've the seeds of a great team here if we get a clear run. Fast forward to this year and the manner of both the Ulster final defeat and the 2nd half against Armagh was just so disappointing. And the signs had been there all year even though "it's only the league" was trotted out, that game in Killarney was one of the worst I have ever seen from a Donegal senior side and I have been following Donegal for a long long time.

The last thing you want is to walk away from a game thinking "we didn't really go for that". Some times players underperform, sometimes there's a moment of madness that changes the game, sometimes you're just unlucky, sometimes management gets it completely wrong and sometimes a game takes on a life of its own and you just have to watch it play out. We're all only human at the end of the day. But if I see the same mistakes being repeated game to game, the problem goes deeper than the usual "on the day" type stuff.

We can disagree about what that problem is but I just can't fathom anyone who has followed Donegal over Declan's tenure thinking for example that Galway are so far ahead of us, and that thinking we could also reach an All-Ireland final with our current crop of players in a different set up is some sort of mad thinking. Galway are a really good team that have had a clear run this year but in a knock out championship game I think we'd give them a great run and who knows how the game would turn out. And they made the final and by god they nearly won it. Armagh were penalties away from a semi-final vs. Derry, a team we beat out the gate earlier in championship. Derry we brought to extra time and I felt we really had them in the 2nd half but didn't kick on. All these teams competing in the All-Ireland series and yet we don't have the man markers and therefore we're crazy to believe we should perform better than we did this year.

I've heard Oisín McConville a few times saying that this year there will be a good 8 or 9 teams looking at the championship thinking "We have a real shot next year". He hasn't named teams but I've no doubt Donegal are one of them. There is no stand out side any more, Kerry are possibly about to kick on but I still think you can get at them. Tyrone, Donegal, Monaghan, Armagh, Derry, Galway, Mayo, Roscommon will all be thinking they are not far away and could take Dublin or Kerry on their day. Kildare I think will have huge huge regrets about how the championship shook out in the end for them. All of these teams have flaws, every single one of them, and pretending that Donegal having some flaws is an automatic reason we can't compete for Sam? That's lunacy to me.

People seem to forget a time that flawed teams won All-Irelands. Dublin are not the force they were under Gavin and I don't think we'll see their like again, not for a long time. Tyrone last year were flawed. Kerry this year are flawed. Kerry in 2014 were flawed. We were flawed in 2012! That's normal, no team is perfect and no team at the minute is perfect, not least Donegal. But can we be good enough in other areas to compete with these other flawed teams at the top table? Absolutely."
100%

Excellent post - fair play to ya for taking the time to post it

That lad is absolutely toxic.

eunans4ever (Donegal) - Posts: 1302 - 28/07/2022 15:23:12    2435108

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Replying To eunans4ever:  "You do realise that the lad you are saying should get the job was given the road when he was in Rory G backroom team ?

You do realise that he walked away from u20 set up having thrown the toys outta the pram after a very poor spell in charge ?

Simple questions.

If your going to respond with childish name calling etc - save yourself the trouble."
Won't surprise me to hear that you don't rate Mc daid.. he's our Rory Gallagher knows football inside out and goes to games all over the country.. whoever comes in could do worse than get him on board. Forget parish rivalry it's for the good of Donegal football. Maybe you could convince John haran to put his name forward.

rorysboys (Donegal) - Posts: 1721 - 28/07/2022 16:41:40    2435131

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Replying To rorysboys:  "Won't surprise me to hear that you don't rate Mc daid.. he's our Rory Gallagher knows football inside out and goes to games all over the country.. whoever comes in could do worse than get him on board. Forget parish rivalry it's for the good of Donegal football. Maybe you could convince John haran to put his name forward."
He's currently in the states so not attending many of these games your referring too……..

You really should take some time out as your all over the place

eunans4ever (Donegal) - Posts: 1302 - 28/07/2022 16:50:03    2435135

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Replying To JoeSoap:  "Thanks to Declan for all he has given to Donegal football over the years. Things had gotten stale and it was time to go, but I hope he knows that Donegal people appreciate everything he has given and the 2 Ulster titles were savoured by myself hugely after the Rory years. That draw against Kerry in 2019 was one of my most enjoyable days out supporting Donegal ever, it was a thrilling match and Declan had a huge part in that.

I said I couldn't be ***** with this forum any more and the same reasons apply but I just can't stand some of the stuff being said. Murphy's goal in 2012 defined the whole game, so therefore Murphy was the main or only reason we won it... the goal doesn't happen without the 2012 footballer of the year and one of our other best ever players, Karl Lacey. We haven't won or contested an All-Ireland since 2014 because of Dublin even though we've had Murphy in his prime (the main and only reason we won in 2012 apparently) as well as a good mix of youth and the 2012 side, and it's only because of Dublin and not because of management... even though since 2014 we've met Dublin exactly once in a knock-out championship game, 2016. How are Dublin to blame for us not reaching an All-Ireland semi-final other than that year? We also played them in the 2018 Super 8s but we had Tyrone at home to get to a semi-final that year.

Finally, it seems to me that the one poster going on and on and on and on and on and on would only be delighted for the next manager to fail in the same way as Declan did in the end because he could crow on here about the players not being good enough, it seems to me there'd be more pleasure taken from that than there would from the potential new manager making strides in year one and getting us to an All-Ireland semi. That may be harsh or unfair but to be honest that's how it has come across at this stage. There is a toxic atmosphere on this board and one poster consistently attacking everyone, posters that have not been against Bonner from day one, posters that supported Declan all the way through his tenure, posters that have come up with interesting posts and analysis and ideas about how we set up and posters that have been more than fair all through the last 5 or 6 years.

What some don't seem to understand is not the losing, it's the manner of it. I was very very proud of Donegal against Tyrone last year, in all the circumstances and with the game stacked against us, they fought tooth and nail until the heat really took its toll on our 14 men and Tyrone pulled away in the final stages. But jesus I walked away thinking we've the seeds of a great team here if we get a clear run. Fast forward to this year and the manner of both the Ulster final defeat and the 2nd half against Armagh was just so disappointing. And the signs had been there all year even though "it's only the league" was trotted out, that game in Killarney was one of the worst I have ever seen from a Donegal senior side and I have been following Donegal for a long long time.

The last thing you want is to walk away from a game thinking "we didn't really go for that". Some times players underperform, sometimes there's a moment of madness that changes the game, sometimes you're just unlucky, sometimes management gets it completely wrong and sometimes a game takes on a life of its own and you just have to watch it play out. We're all only human at the end of the day. But if I see the same mistakes being repeated game to game, the problem goes deeper than the usual "on the day" type stuff.

We can disagree about what that problem is but I just can't fathom anyone who has followed Donegal over Declan's tenure thinking for example that Galway are so far ahead of us, and that thinking we could also reach an All-Ireland final with our current crop of players in a different set up is some sort of mad thinking. Galway are a really good team that have had a clear run this year but in a knock out championship game I think we'd give them a great run and who knows how the game would turn out. And they made the final and by god they nearly won it. Armagh were penalties away from a semi-final vs. Derry, a team we beat out the gate earlier in championship. Derry we brought to extra time and I felt we really had them in the 2nd half but didn't kick on. All these teams competing in the All-Ireland series and yet we don't have the man markers and therefore we're crazy to believe we should perform better than we did this year.

I've heard Oisín McConville a few times saying that this year there will be a good 8 or 9 teams looking at the championship thinking "We have a real shot next year". He hasn't named teams but I've no doubt Donegal are one of them. There is no stand out side any more, Kerry are possibly about to kick on but I still think you can get at them. Tyrone, Donegal, Monaghan, Armagh, Derry, Galway, Mayo, Roscommon will all be thinking they are not far away and could take Dublin or Kerry on their day. Kildare I think will have huge huge regrets about how the championship shook out in the end for them. All of these teams have flaws, every single one of them, and pretending that Donegal having some flaws is an automatic reason we can't compete for Sam? That's lunacy to me.

People seem to forget a time that flawed teams won All-Irelands. Dublin are not the force they were under Gavin and I don't think we'll see their like again, not for a long time. Tyrone last year were flawed. Kerry this year are flawed. Kerry in 2014 were flawed. We were flawed in 2012! That's normal, no team is perfect and no team at the minute is perfect, not least Donegal. But can we be good enough in other areas to compete with these other flawed teams at the top table? Absolutely."
Very one sided attack. A few points. Firstly what I'm saying is my opinion. Secondly if you have such a great time for bonner I didn't see you back up against the keyboard warriors who called him for everything. Yet when I gave an opinion you come on with an essay of charges against me.. what am I saying wrong. Does not agreeing at where Donegal football is annoy people. Do you want me to come on here and say we should win an All Ireland next year. Would that make me popular..

rorysboys (Donegal) - Posts: 1721 - 28/07/2022 17:39:35    2435143

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Replying To eunans4ever:  "He's currently in the states so not attending many of these games your referring too……..

You really should take some time out as your all over the place"
I'll decide what I do. For a man who said he wudnt respond to my posts, your making a good job of it. The heat does effect people differently.

rorysboys (Donegal) - Posts: 1721 - 28/07/2022 17:41:53    2435145

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