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Replying To rorysboys:  "Yea but it's a free world and a amateur sport and players are not talking. Something not right. On any panel there's about 20 happy players, players who are playing but you'll always get a few who think they should be on. Management would not be telling players not to talk. I know for a fact there was a lot of discontent from people in the squad about the support we got in the Ulster final and the Armagh game. As a follower from talking to good supporters they we're disgusted too. Turning one's back on there county not easily forgotten."
I don't know if I'd read a whole lot into players not speaking to the media. I don't think that the management would be telling players not to talk but I think it's possible players are taking their cues from those higher up and simply following their example. In every panel there will of course be some squad players unhappy with the chances given to them and so unhappy with the management but again few rarely speak out against a sitting manager in any county. look at the final year or two of Mickey Harte's reign in Tyrone, a number of unhappy players spoke out only when they had left the panel themselves because of a perceived lack of game time or had retired.

BeardedBorderGael (Donegal) - Posts: 5 - 12/07/2022 15:44:30    2431705

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Replying To rorysboys:  "Yea but it's a free world and a amateur sport and players are not talking. Something not right. On any panel there's about 20 happy players, players who are playing but you'll always get a few who think they should be on. Management would not be telling players not to talk. I know for a fact there was a lot of discontent from people in the squad about the support we got in the Ulster final and the Armagh game. As a follower from talking to good supporters they we're disgusted too. Turning one's back on there county not easily forgotten."
Aye that's the job. The players will come out surely and be honest about the management. Then when management don't go anywhere next year whatever poor soul spoke up will be booted off the panel. Chat with a bit of sense.

papa_pump (Donegal) - Posts: 64 - 12/07/2022 16:09:44    2431719

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Replying To papa_pump:  "Aye that's the job. The players will come out surely and be honest about the management. Then when management don't go anywhere next year whatever poor soul spoke up will be booted off the panel. Chat with a bit of sense."
Problem is I'm talking sense.. as will be proved in the years to come. A lot of people don't like to hear my prediction s but.

rorysboys (Donegal) - Posts: 1722 - 12/07/2022 17:00:47    2431730

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Replying To rorysboys:  "Problem is I'm talking sense.. as will be proved in the years to come. A lot of people don't like to hear my prediction s but."
That's not a prediction. It was a statement. You stated that it's a free country and amateurs can give an interview if they want. No predictions there.

The ego on you is astonishing

papa_pump (Donegal) - Posts: 64 - 12/07/2022 18:37:10    2431743

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Replying To rorysboys:  "Problem is I'm talking sense.. as will be proved in the years to come. A lot of people don't like to hear my prediction s but."
What is your predictions Rory? I know your want Bonner to stay on, but do you see any success in the near future? Winnings Ulster's or challenging for the AI?

What changes, if any, would you suggest? If Bonner stays and Rochford goes, should Bonner maybe bring in an entire new backroom and make a new go at it?

Player wise, you don't seem too confident about the group, who would you ditch and who would you call up?

Any changes regarding our style of play? More of the same as you don't think the players are up to anything else? Or should we attack more? Or kick more and play some balls in to Murphy etc?

I haven't actually seen much suggestions on your behalf, just dismissing other peoples opinions, which we are all entitled to. But it would be good to hear some of yours, rather than just quashing everyone else's.

FootballGuy (Donegal) - Posts: 150 - 12/07/2022 20:53:34    2431769

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Replying To papa_pump:  "Aye that's the job. The players will come out surely and be honest about the management. Then when management don't go anywhere next year whatever poor soul spoke up will be booted off the panel. Chat with a bit of sense."
I think you're right. The players could be being being somewhat politically astute. They all love playing for Donegal I'm sure. So if any of them went off half-cocked and villified current management in public they'd be burning their own bridges for sure if Bonner stays on. Sometimes the best course of action is to do and say nothing at all.

If Bonner does stay on, and players aren't happy with that, then there is nothing stopping them leaving the panel. None of them are under contract. They can cite any number of reasons for doing so - work commitments, family, travel, niggly injuries, loss of appetite etc. The reason they might not come out and publically crucify Bonner is for the good of Donegal football. It would open a huge can of worms that would cause a more detrimental effect.

It's how Ireland operates in general. The known and the "say and do nothing approach"

e.g.
everyone knowing about Charlie Haughey being corrupt.
what the Catholic Church was doing in children's institututions.
big multinationals totally flouting our corporate tax laws

Why would the GAA be any different? We're the best "amateur" sporting organisation in the world! Aren't we great!
Yet even my dog knows that every county manager and a lot of club managers are being nicely compensated for their efforts. But we don't offically acknowledge this. No way. That's not the Irish way to do things.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 8061 - 13/07/2022 08:56:47    2431777

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Replying To FootballGuy:  "What is your predictions Rory? I know your want Bonner to stay on, but do you see any success in the near future? Winnings Ulster's or challenging for the AI?

What changes, if any, would you suggest? If Bonner stays and Rochford goes, should Bonner maybe bring in an entire new backroom and make a new go at it?

Player wise, you don't seem too confident about the group, who would you ditch and who would you call up?

Any changes regarding our style of play? More of the same as you don't think the players are up to anything else? Or should we attack more? Or kick more and play some balls in to Murphy etc?

I haven't actually seen much suggestions on your behalf, just dismissing other peoples opinions, which we are all entitled to. But it would be good to hear some of yours, rather than just quashing everyone else's."
Do I want bonner to stay. I do but I don't think he will. Can I see us winning Ulster soon , possible but it's going to be difficult with Derry, Armagh, on the up and Tyrone back at full tilt. As for Winning an all Ireland no chance, blunt but true. If bonner stayed we need a few new faces, but as I say I can't see him staying. You say I dismiss people s opinions that's what you do if you don't agree with opinions. I'm saying all along our Achilles heel is the lack of man marking defenders , we're going nowhere without them. So the only way we can play is with a lot of bodies back, which won't cut it outside Ulster. I would love to say play attacking football against the big teams, but I'm realistic to know that won't get us anywhere.. we need to add a few players, Jamie grant, Kieran Tobin , maybe gave eoin Mc geehan a chance. Can't see Gillespie coming back or Mc niallas.. will we lose a few possible, I hear two starters from last year mightn be available. A lot depends who comes in if bonner goes. I don't want an outsider getting big money, cause he'll want success right away and won't gave youth a chance to develop.

rorysboys (Donegal) - Posts: 1722 - 13/07/2022 12:41:36    2431844

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Replying To rorysboys:  "Do I want bonner to stay. I do but I don't think he will. Can I see us winning Ulster soon , possible but it's going to be difficult with Derry, Armagh, on the up and Tyrone back at full tilt. As for Winning an all Ireland no chance, blunt but true. If bonner stayed we need a few new faces, but as I say I can't see him staying. You say I dismiss people s opinions that's what you do if you don't agree with opinions. I'm saying all along our Achilles heel is the lack of man marking defenders , we're going nowhere without them. So the only way we can play is with a lot of bodies back, which won't cut it outside Ulster. I would love to say play attacking football against the big teams, but I'm realistic to know that won't get us anywhere.. we need to add a few players, Jamie grant, Kieran Tobin , maybe gave eoin Mc geehan a chance. Can't see Gillespie coming back or Mc niallas.. will we lose a few possible, I hear two starters from last year mightn be available. A lot depends who comes in if bonner goes. I don't want an outsider getting big money, cause he'll want success right away and won't gave youth a chance to develop."
U know rorysboys and I'm not getting into an argument with you over it but the last day when Stephen mc menamin was deemed unfit management gave a young fella his debut instead of 3 man markers/defenders that were sitting on the bench mcgee Paul brennan and d'aire o baoil that's part of what people has against the present management because that sort of thing has gone on every year come latter stages of championship and then them bucks retired too early afterwards and loads of experience lost two quickly. I've noting against any young man's debut but there's not many can preform greatly in the white heat of championship especially in ulster.

Tyrion (Donegal) - Posts: 117 - 13/07/2022 13:25:11    2431854

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Replying To rorysboys:  "Do I want bonner to stay. I do but I don't think he will. Can I see us winning Ulster soon , possible but it's going to be difficult with Derry, Armagh, on the up and Tyrone back at full tilt. As for Winning an all Ireland no chance, blunt but true. If bonner stayed we need a few new faces, but as I say I can't see him staying. You say I dismiss people s opinions that's what you do if you don't agree with opinions. I'm saying all along our Achilles heel is the lack of man marking defenders , we're going nowhere without them. So the only way we can play is with a lot of bodies back, which won't cut it outside Ulster. I would love to say play attacking football against the big teams, but I'm realistic to know that won't get us anywhere.. we need to add a few players, Jamie grant, Kieran Tobin , maybe gave eoin Mc geehan a chance. Can't see Gillespie coming back or Mc niallas.. will we lose a few possible, I hear two starters from last year mightn be available. A lot depends who comes in if bonner goes. I don't want an outsider getting big money, cause he'll want success right away and won't gave youth a chance to develop."
I reckon Bonner will stay now, if he was going to walk or the board to sack him it would have happened by now. Its up to Bonner now himself I guess, it will be a tough year for him if things don't go well, and he may feel the abuse that would come from that isn't worth it. We competed with 2 very good teams in Monaghan and Tyrone for long enough I would still expect us to challenge with Tyrone, Derry and Armagh. You might have to beat 2 of them at most to win Ulster. For an AI, we could have had a favourable draw like this year if we beat Derry... Galway would certainly be winnable and you still have a chance against Kerry on the day. So I wouldn't say no chance.

New ideas and faces are needed for next year anyway, can't keep doing the same thing and expect different results. Grant, Tobin and mcgeehan are options to try out for sure. It will be interesting to see who stands out in this year's club championship. We aren't blessed with an abundance of man marking defenders but we still have Ward, Mccole, McMenamin, OMFF, ObG and Jeaic McKelvey which I think should be our back 6, you can maybe have Mchugh or Mogan in one of those positions but tbh I would stick to 6 proper defenders, play Mogan in Half forward and Mchugh In FF line as a Free man, those 2 roam plenty anyway and there would be games where both aren't required. Keep Murphy and Paddy up top and I'd play both Langan and Thompson as well, but obviously based on form and fitness. I'd rotate Mogan, Mchugh, and O'donnell so 1 of those would be on bench. The bench is important anyway, and nice to have some of the talent we do have on the bench.

FootballGuy (Donegal) - Posts: 150 - 13/07/2022 13:40:28    2431863

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Replying To Tyrion:  "U know rorysboys and I'm not getting into an argument with you over it but the last day when Stephen mc menamin was deemed unfit management gave a young fella his debut instead of 3 man markers/defenders that were sitting on the bench mcgee Paul brennan and d'aire o baoil that's part of what people has against the present management because that sort of thing has gone on every year come latter stages of championship and then them bucks retired too early afterwards and loads of experience lost two quickly. I've noting against any young man's debut but there's not many can preform greatly in the white heat of championship especially in ulster."
Not being disrespectful lad but Mc gee, o baoill and Brennan are not man markers. Mc gee was in his day the other two are half backs. I think you'll agree with me on that..

rorysboys (Donegal) - Posts: 1722 - 13/07/2022 13:42:10    2431864

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Replying To rorysboys:  "Not being disrespectful lad but Mc gee, o baoill and Brennan are not man markers. Mc gee was in his day the other two are half backs. I think you'll agree with me on that.."
I'd agree that O'Baoill and Brennan are not man markers.

But as I see it, McMenamin is a man marker, but has been used out of position. He is possibly a better option at full back, and McCole a better option at 6.
McFadden Ferry is a man marker, but is being used as a ball carrier/strike runner.
Eoin Ban can do both reasonably well, but it's too much to expect him to do both.
Caolan Ward is a good enough man marker, but again, being used too much as a ball carrier.
How many times have we been caught with these man markers being used as the primary ball carriers, and being expected to get forward and back incessantly. Neither McMenamin or Ward for instance are athletic enough to cover that amount of ground.

SouthOfTheGap (Donegal) - Posts: 279 - 13/07/2022 15:07:00    2431890

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Replying To SouthOfTheGap:  "I'd agree that O'Baoill and Brennan are not man markers.

But as I see it, McMenamin is a man marker, but has been used out of position. He is possibly a better option at full back, and McCole a better option at 6.
McFadden Ferry is a man marker, but is being used as a ball carrier/strike runner.
Eoin Ban can do both reasonably well, but it's too much to expect him to do both.
Caolan Ward is a good enough man marker, but again, being used too much as a ball carrier.
How many times have we been caught with these man markers being used as the primary ball carriers, and being expected to get forward and back incessantly. Neither McMenamin or Ward for instance are athletic enough to cover that amount of ground."
I don't like naming individual players and saying there not good enough . Put it simple I said we don't have good enough man markers to compete with the big teams I feels eoin ban is a very good man marker but to be successful we would need one or two more of that ability. Plus we need two wing backs of eoin bans ability. So in short eoin ban can only play in one position it's getting players of that stature we need. Easier said than done. This is an honest opinion.

rorysboys (Donegal) - Posts: 1722 - 13/07/2022 16:04:57    2431913

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I don't know how good Cahir O'Kanes's sources are but he is reporting in to day's Irish News that Bonner is likely to step down next week.If that is the case I hope they stay inside the county for his replacement.

gunman (Donegal) - Posts: 837 - 13/07/2022 17:36:39    2431925

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Big match for the ladies team on Saturday. Hopefully having played meath in the in the league final they'll be able to apply some learnings. They got a lot right that day. I liked the push up in meath kickouts and it yielded the goal. They did though concede a goal by being pushed up too far for one of the kickouts at the start. The meath goalkeeper who has a good kicking distance was able to kick over the press. Meath were even more systematic in bringing players back than even Rory Gallagher would be. They kept nobody up and really clog up the scoring zone. Given that woman can't kick for points from as far out as the men it's a lot of players in a small zone. Donegal did keep players back to guard against the counter attack and that generally worked well.
Given meaths way of playing it still took Donegal a while to fully get to terms with it and they did let them out to a lead.
Though they did get back into it with the goal and had a great chance in the second half. Meath did tire a bit and Donegal missed too many chances. Hopefully with a few learnings applied from the league they will give a good account of themselves again and get over the line and into the final. Fingers crossed and best of luck to them.

Ulsterchamps_32 (Donegal) - Posts: 661 - 13/07/2022 18:07:59    2431929

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I wonder if the ball hits Seán Hurson in the All-Ireland final will he let play continue or bring it back?

greatpoint (USA) - Posts: 398 - 13/07/2022 18:16:42    2431930

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Replying To rorysboys:  "Not being disrespectful lad but Mc gee, o baoill and Brennan are not man markers. Mc gee was in his day the other two are half backs. I think you'll agree with me on that.."
Rorysboys in my post I was trying to emphasise that there was 3 defenders left wondering how come this young lad got his debut against a team like Armagh and him not even a regonised defender, I'll agree with you them 3 boys are not man markers any more but definitely are defenders and it was Armagh we were playing in a last resort game at the end of the day. The point is declan has history in leaving experienced players sitting on the bench on big days. Against mayo Leo and Frank come to mind they jacked in after that and also against tyrone in the super eights.
There's days you couldn't do without experience

Tyrion (Donegal) - Posts: 117 - 13/07/2022 18:36:03    2431934

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Rorysboys I think you'll agree mcgee was one of our better backs last year before he got injured regardless of his age, and this year done his best to stay with it and regained fitness this year which at his age is a great credit but he hardly got a look in only a token thing against first game Armagh which our fans totally enjoyed. I think it's disrespectful of management the way he's treated some of the older experienced players this past few years.

Tyrion (Donegal) - Posts: 117 - 13/07/2022 18:43:29    2431936

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Replying To gunman:  "I don't know how good Cahir O'Kanes's sources are but he is reporting in to day's Irish News that Bonner is likely to step down next week.If that is the case I hope they stay inside the county for his replacement."
Yes, in that scenario there's a man from Glenties who a normal county board would heaven and earth to get but I wouldn't have confidence in that prospect.

One person here thinks his record was so-so while the rest of us living in the real world know the man is streets ahead records-wise and ability-wise of anything else we might bring in. What a buzz that would bring to the county and the players in the squad, a marked contrast to the gloom hanging over the place this summer.

Donegal_abroad (Donegal) - Posts: 1155 - 13/07/2022 19:48:10    2431947

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Replying To Tyrion:  "Rorysboys in my post I was trying to emphasise that there was 3 defenders left wondering how come this young lad got his debut against a team like Armagh and him not even a regonised defender, I'll agree with you them 3 boys are not man markers any more but definitely are defenders and it was Armagh we were playing in a last resort game at the end of the day. The point is declan has history in leaving experienced players sitting on the bench on big days. Against mayo Leo and Frank come to mind they jacked in after that and also against tyrone in the super eights.
There's days you couldn't do without experience"
He has his favourites and that's that. MacNiallais came back and hardly got on. Granted his conditioning might have been lacking but stick him on for the last 20 minutes a lá Christy Toye and let his talent do the talking. No wonder he walked away again.

papa_pump (Donegal) - Posts: 64 - 13/07/2022 19:49:30    2431948

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Replying To gunman:  "I don't know how good Cahir O'Kanes's sources are but he is reporting in to day's Irish News that Bonner is likely to step down next week.If that is the case I hope they stay inside the county for his replacement."
There is a dearth of candidates within the county.

themaddog (Wicklow) - Posts: 107 - 13/07/2022 19:54:02    2431949

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