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First 3 rounds of Division 1 and 2 are up on the website.
As expected back to a full Division 1.
Good to see the county board allowing a second string team promoted if they win Division 3.

Spinx (Longford) - Posts: 1236 - 16/02/2024 08:44:14    2526299

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Replying To Spinx:  "First 3 rounds of Division 1 and 2 are up on the website.
As expected back to a full Division 1.
Good to see the county board allowing a second string team promoted if they win Division 3."
Some humble pie for Longfordgaaabu who claimed this was not possible and that there was a rule in place preventing it. It was always possible, teams did not think they would be capable of playing Division 2 though and it never happened until now. It's a big advantage for Killoe to have their second 15 playing at that level instead of Division 3 coming up to championship

liosbreac6265 (Longford) - Posts: 210 - 16/02/2024 10:18:27    2526317

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Replying To liosbreac6265:  "Some humble pie for Longfordgaaabu who claimed this was not possible and that there was a rule in place preventing it. It was always possible, teams did not think they would be capable of playing Division 2 though and it never happened until now. It's a big advantage for Killoe to have their second 15 playing at that level instead of Division 3 coming up to championship"
A decision was made this year (at recent CB meeting) to allow for it. Each years competition comes with a set of rules for each League division and for each Championship too including rules for promotion & relegation for that year (or in some cases for a group of years). If you go to your Co Board rep they will show you the document for this year. So whereas second teams did not get promoted in previous league structures, now they can be and that decision and new structure is spelled out in the text for the ACFL for this year. So wasn't possible previously per the rules of previous ACFL seasons, but now possible under the structure for this year. Whether it is retained for next year or beyond won't be apparent until each years competition and set of rules is provided. That's how it works. No pie required.

LongfordgaaAbú (Longford) - Posts: 470 - 16/02/2024 14:45:12    2526362

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Replying To LongfordgaaAbú:  "A decision was made this year (at recent CB meeting) to allow for it. Each years competition comes with a set of rules for each League division and for each Championship too including rules for promotion & relegation for that year (or in some cases for a group of years). If you go to your Co Board rep they will show you the document for this year. So whereas second teams did not get promoted in previous league structures, now they can be and that decision and new structure is spelled out in the text for the ACFL for this year. So wasn't possible previously per the rules of previous ACFL seasons, but now possible under the structure for this year. Whether it is retained for next year or beyond won't be apparent until each years competition and set of rules is provided. That's how it works. No pie required."
Any word on how many teams will be relegated from the senior championship this season? Hopefully common sense takes place and we are left with 8 teams senior, 8 teams intermediate and a more meaningful junior championship after this seasons championship.

maximus02 (Longford) - Posts: 168 - 16/02/2024 15:20:38    2526366

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Replying To LongfordgaaAbú:  "A decision was made this year (at recent CB meeting) to allow for it. Each years competition comes with a set of rules for each League division and for each Championship too including rules for promotion & relegation for that year (or in some cases for a group of years). If you go to your Co Board rep they will show you the document for this year. So whereas second teams did not get promoted in previous league structures, now they can be and that decision and new structure is spelled out in the text for the ACFL for this year. So wasn't possible previously per the rules of previous ACFL seasons, but now possible under the structure for this year. Whether it is retained for next year or beyond won't be apparent until each years competition and set of rules is provided. That's how it works. No pie required."
It would have been more of a shock had you taken the pie :) Can you name the rule which previously prevented this from happening? Your CB rep can airmail that too but he won't as nowhere was it ever stated that this could not happen. The fact is the leagues can have any structure any given year. It all comes down to a vote with the delegates. This year either Killoe or the county board or both wanted Killoe's second team in Division 2, it went to a vote and it passed. There was nothing stopping similar in previous years. Look at how Cashel got relegated to Division 3 but have stayed up and Killashee and Grattans finished well down in Division 3 but got brought up.

I wonder what will happen should Killoe win Division 2, could we see two Killoe teams playing against each other in the Leader Cup in 2025? The talent is there and the confidence is clearly sky high given they have chosen to compete against the 2022 county champions. Would surely be one for the statisticians

liosbreac6265 (Longford) - Posts: 210 - 16/02/2024 17:20:20    2526389

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Each years competition comes with structure and rules (how many teams, promotion and relegation rules, head-to-head decisions in tables and so on). Those are the rules I am talking about here, not a rule book which is what you seem to be looking for. As I have said, go get the agreed structure for 2024 from recent CB meeting from your delegate and you will see it all laid out for this year including changing the size of division 2 and allowing the promotion of the second team of Killoe's to Division 2 having won Division 3 last year (Killoe won it a number of times before, but didn't get promoted (nor did any other 2nd team) because the structure of the league proposed by CCCC in those years didn't allow). Nobody from the Killoe club lobbied or requested to go into Division 2. You can spread that rumour if you want, that's your call. Cashel stayed in Division 2 and Killashee and Grattans came into Division 2 because the size of that division has clearly increased from 7 to 11. Under the new structures if Killoe won Division 2 (very unlikely), they would get promoted to Division 1. Whoever wins Division 3 will be going into Division 2 regardless of whether they are a first or second team. The CCCC proposed the revised structure and associated rules for the league to the delegates, not vice versa. The CCCC contains reps from Clonguish (2), Mostrim, Slashers, Grattans (2), Ardagh Moydow, Ballymahon, Kenagh and Rathcline with County Sec as non-voting member. This is all public information. Ask your delegate.

The unknown is whether division 1 will continue to have half the games played without county players or whether that rule gets scrapped.

LongfordgaaAbú (Longford) - Posts: 470 - 16/02/2024 20:02:18    2526406

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Replying To LongfordgaaAbú:  "Each years competition comes with structure and rules (how many teams, promotion and relegation rules, head-to-head decisions in tables and so on). Those are the rules I am talking about here, not a rule book which is what you seem to be looking for. As I have said, go get the agreed structure for 2024 from recent CB meeting from your delegate and you will see it all laid out for this year including changing the size of division 2 and allowing the promotion of the second team of Killoe's to Division 2 having won Division 3 last year (Killoe won it a number of times before, but didn't get promoted (nor did any other 2nd team) because the structure of the league proposed by CCCC in those years didn't allow). Nobody from the Killoe club lobbied or requested to go into Division 2. You can spread that rumour if you want, that's your call. Cashel stayed in Division 2 and Killashee and Grattans came into Division 2 because the size of that division has clearly increased from 7 to 11. Under the new structures if Killoe won Division 2 (very unlikely), they would get promoted to Division 1. Whoever wins Division 3 will be going into Division 2 regardless of whether they are a first or second team. The CCCC proposed the revised structure and associated rules for the league to the delegates, not vice versa. The CCCC contains reps from Clonguish (2), Mostrim, Slashers, Grattans (2), Ardagh Moydow, Ballymahon, Kenagh and Rathcline with County Sec as non-voting member. This is all public information. Ask your delegate.

The unknown is whether division 1 will continue to have half the games played without county players or whether that rule gets scrapped."
I think it's only right that Killoe second string get to play Division 2 football. If you win the league you should be allowed go up, simple as that. The only worry from the way they have sorted this with Grattans and Killashee going up is, will Legan have a team this year? Why are they the only club from themselves, Grattans and Killashee not playing Divison 2? The league would have even numbers if they did. Have Legan folded or will they be the only sole junior club in Division 3?

Frank74 (Longford) - Posts: 111 - 16/02/2024 22:32:45    2526426

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I've just seen they have the league tables up and Legan are in Div 3. I don't understand why Killashee but especially Grattans would agree to go up to Div 2. They will take good beatings from Colmcille, Connollys and possibly Kenagh. Potential heavy losses could also come against the Gaels and I can't see them getting many points at all. Would it not have been better for them to stay in Div 3 and be competitive? I thought the CB were copping on a bit with Div 1 gradually reducing numbers but they have just gone a piled them all into Div 2! We need 8 team divisions from 1 to 3 with 3 of the stronger second string senior teams making up the 24 teams.

A second thing I noticed from the league tables is that there are a few teams who do not have a second team. Also, Killoe have a team in Div 1, 2 and 3! That has to be a first in Longford.

Frank74 (Longford) - Posts: 111 - 17/02/2024 10:20:29    2526446

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No team news on any socials. Longford Gaa will never change

williesboy (Leitrim) - Posts: 340 - 17/02/2024 15:07:06    2526484

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Replying To Frank74:  "I've just seen they have the league tables up and Legan are in Div 3. I don't understand why Killashee but especially Grattans would agree to go up to Div 2. They will take good beatings from Colmcille, Connollys and possibly Kenagh. Potential heavy losses could also come against the Gaels and I can't see them getting many points at all. Would it not have been better for them to stay in Div 3 and be competitive? I thought the CB were copping on a bit with Div 1 gradually reducing numbers but they have just gone a piled them all into Div 2! We need 8 team divisions from 1 to 3 with 3 of the stronger second string senior teams making up the 24 teams.

A second thing I noticed from the league tables is that there are a few teams who do not have a second team. Also, Killoe have a team in Div 1, 2 and 3! That has to be a first in Longford."
Unless county board work with the fixtures in a way to promote or should I say support killoes decision to play in 1,2 and 3 it could end up being very farcical for them considering today the bulked the county team with 4 starters and 2 subs, which I'm sure could be 5 starters next week and 1 sub if Mimnagh goes back to starting. If league begins without county players they could be down up to 10 players with I think 3 or 4 players on u20s also.
Will be interesting to see plus they face old management team now in Slashers in round 1.

#Putitup (Longford) - Posts: 18 - 17/02/2024 23:35:33    2526585

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Replying To #Putitup:  "Unless county board work with the fixtures in a way to promote or should I say support killoes decision to play in 1,2 and 3 it could end up being very farcical for them considering today the bulked the county team with 4 starters and 2 subs, which I'm sure could be 5 starters next week and 1 sub if Mimnagh goes back to starting. If league begins without county players they could be down up to 10 players with I think 3 or 4 players on u20s also.
Will be interesting to see plus they face old management team now in Slashers in round 1."
County players available for first round of the league

williesboy (Leitrim) - Posts: 340 - 18/02/2024 09:56:14    2526606

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Horrid quiet in here these days, but sure I suppose we don't have a lot to write about!!

During a quiet few minutes at work today a strange one popped into my head!!

Does anyone remember a new underage club been set up in the county at the end of 1994 to start playing in 1995?
Now, I'm not on about 2 clubs amalgamating and going under a new name.

This was a standalone new club that was to play their games in the Mall and went by the name St. Lukes.

They were to play Division 3 Under 14 football I think but after conceding or getting hammered in their first few games they disappeared without trace.

I was just wondering if anyone on here had recollection of them or indeed went to play for them?

I also wondered, why they were ever set up!
Grattans could barely field as it was and Slashers were fielding an A and a B team back then.

Spinx (Longford) - Posts: 1236 - 22/02/2024 14:32:32    2527571

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Why is Paddy Collum sitting out the last couple of games, is it to do with the issue in the club with the committee not being finalised? I don't know anything about the issue, apart from what I heard in gossip in Waterford last week, and I wouldn't place much trust in the source of that gossip ;-)
I hope it doesn't affect any football activity in the club or county. Maybe Spinx could clear it up and quash or confirm the rumours, namely that the club are suspended from all football activity until this committee issue is resolved.

botheyesclosed (Longford) - Posts: 115 - 23/02/2024 10:16:57    2527670

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Replying To botheyesclosed:  "Why is Paddy Collum sitting out the last couple of games, is it to do with the issue in the club with the committee not being finalised? I don't know anything about the issue, apart from what I heard in gossip in Waterford last week, and I wouldn't place much trust in the source of that gossip ;-)
I hope it doesn't affect any football activity in the club or county. Maybe Spinx could clear it up and quash or confirm the rumours, namely that the club are suspended from all football activity until this committee issue is resolved."
If that was the case he would not be named on the bench so I very much doubt that is true. Paddy has given great service but it is time to start looking at a replacement and what better was to do it in division 4 when the only way is up! I cant see it being anything got to do with club issues. Any other goalkeepers at the moment in the county worth looking at? we always seem very limited in that department.

Garmin (Longford) - Posts: 87 - 23/02/2024 11:36:38    2527688

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Replying To Frank74:  "Enda came back years later and played a bit for the club but I don't know where Lorcan ever ended up. He was on the Kildare squad in 93 and was involved in the half time tunnel bust up with the Dubs. He played for Round Towers down there but I don't think he was on the panel when they won the championship in 96. He obviously went on to pastures new but where I could not tell you!! I was very young when he played with us but I remember seeing him play a game in Pearse Park in 91 and he was head and shoulders above everyone else that day."
I did a bit of digging when I seen this and only got a few snippets on Lorcan Barden.
He was a few years ahead of me in Mel's but I remember him playing at midfield for us back in 1990-91. He was a fantastic fielder of a ball. He also played a bit at full back when he played in 1989. His father is the famous Pat Barden from Newtown. He was on the Longford Under 21 team in 91 as well as the Clonguish senior team (Clonguish were a sole junior club back then). He went to college in Maynooth where he became good friends with Longfords old manager Glen Ryan who obviously had a word in his ear and he transferred to Round Towers in Kildare and also to the county team in 1992 when he was only about 19/20. He was starting on the Round Towers senior team, Kildare under 21 team and was on the Kildare senior panel. He played a bit with Towers in 94 but that seems to be where his footballing career finished at about 21/22 years of age. Whether he lost interest in football or suffered a serious injury for him not to play after 94, I could not tell you. To think what might have been for Clonguish if he had to of stuck around. Himself and Enda Barden at midfield would have been some pairing. I'm sure it would not have taken from 92 to 98 for them to get back to Senior. From what I gather he has been in Australia for the last 20 years or so.

Oddball (Roscommon) - Posts: 888 - 23/02/2024 18:55:43    2527764

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Replying To Oddball:  "I did a bit of digging when I seen this and only got a few snippets on Lorcan Barden.
He was a few years ahead of me in Mel's but I remember him playing at midfield for us back in 1990-91. He was a fantastic fielder of a ball. He also played a bit at full back when he played in 1989. His father is the famous Pat Barden from Newtown. He was on the Longford Under 21 team in 91 as well as the Clonguish senior team (Clonguish were a sole junior club back then). He went to college in Maynooth where he became good friends with Longfords old manager Glen Ryan who obviously had a word in his ear and he transferred to Round Towers in Kildare and also to the county team in 1992 when he was only about 19/20. He was starting on the Round Towers senior team, Kildare under 21 team and was on the Kildare senior panel. He played a bit with Towers in 94 but that seems to be where his footballing career finished at about 21/22 years of age. Whether he lost interest in football or suffered a serious injury for him not to play after 94, I could not tell you. To think what might have been for Clonguish if he had to of stuck around. Himself and Enda Barden at midfield would have been some pairing. I'm sure it would not have taken from 92 to 98 for them to get back to Senior. From what I gather he has been in Australia for the last 20 years or so."
He was a huge loss to the club but luckily his departure was eased a bit in 92 when we won the junior league and championship.

Frank74 (Longford) - Posts: 111 - 25/02/2024 06:38:20    2527937

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Huge game in the park today. Although our chances of promotion are all but gone, I feel a first ever loss to London could be the end of Christie as manager. Hopefully the lads will put in a good performance and get the 2 points.

Frank74 (Longford) - Posts: 111 - 25/02/2024 06:40:06    2527938

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Replying To Frank74:  "Huge game in the park today. Although our chances of promotion are all but gone, I feel a first ever loss to London could be the end of Christie as manager. Hopefully the lads will put in a good performance and get the 2 points."
Longford are still in the promotion hunt without a doubt. 4 games left win them all and you'll be promoted. Laois will beat everyone.

lugdrum (Leitrim) - Posts: 313 - 25/02/2024 08:37:37    2527947

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Replying To lugdrum:  "Longford are still in the promotion hunt without a doubt. 4 games left win them all and you'll be promoted. Laois will beat everyone."
Winning 4 games won't be guarantee promotion and will need other results to go your way. Nonsense

williesboy (Leitrim) - Posts: 340 - 25/02/2024 14:57:43    2527994

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Replying To botheyesclosed:  "Why is Paddy Collum sitting out the last couple of games, is it to do with the issue in the club with the committee not being finalised? I don't know anything about the issue, apart from what I heard in gossip in Waterford last week, and I wouldn't place much trust in the source of that gossip ;-)
I hope it doesn't affect any football activity in the club or county. Maybe Spinx could clear it up and quash or confirm the rumours, namely that the club are suspended from all football activity until this committee issue is resolved."
Why would we be suspended from all activity?!! If we were, we wouldn't be training away, playing challenge games and 2 of our lads on the county panel!!

Spinx (Longford) - Posts: 1236 - 26/02/2024 16:15:08    2528388

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