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Replying To LongfordgaaAbú: "For Under 21 Championships over past 10 years (8 finals)...
Killoe = 5
Clonguish = 1
Colmcille = 1
Fr Manning Gaels = 1
For Minor Championships over past 10 years...
Killoe = 3
Mullinalaghta/Abbeylara = 3
Clonguish = 1
Longford Slashers = 1
Mostrim/Sean Connollys = 1
Ballymahon/Killashee/ Cashel = 1
For Juvenile Championships over past 10 years (9 finals)...
Killoe = 3
Clonguish = 3
Colmcille = 1
Mullinalaghta/Abbeylara = 1
Mostrim/Sean Connollys = 1
For Under 14 Championships over past 10 years...
Killoe = 4
Longford Slashers = 3
Clonguish = 2
Granard = 1
The various warnings about underage not being an absolute measure are well founded, but underage structures and support in moving from underage to senior is more advanced now than it was during the days of Granards underage dominance in the 1990's or when Dromard were winning all those U21's. Doesn't guarantee success, but it is a useful marker for where experience and capability might be for future success. Getting the transition right is an artform." Dromards 5 in a row at under 21 was some achievement. In fairness they did win two senior titles during the same period but you would have thought they would have done more considering that under 21 might be a better indicator of future senior success than minor woudl be. Does anyone know why they dropped off so much at underage? Is it simply that they happended to have large numbers for a period and now they have a lot less.
They did well to nearly make a senior semi-final this year. Are they on the way back? What young players have they got coming through?
Mull93 (Longford) - Posts: 119 - 09/12/2021 15:19:40
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I suppose there is two types of underage domination, the sustained always being in contention type and then the super team group of players that everyone in the county knows from u12 up are gonna be unbeatable. Both types have advantages and disadvantages as they mature to senior, the sustained type may not necessarily have that couple of really top class players(particularly scorers) and the superteam are vulnerable to injuries/ emigration etc as the pool of players is smaller . That Granard era never really produced the top class intercounty level forward and that was one of the reasons they didn't progress. The Drumlish era was strange in that they had a very dominant underage team but the X factor was provided by D Hannify and Davis who were actually younger than the dominant group. The two best club minor teams I've seen are the Northern Gaels 2012/13 and the Drumlish 1990 who lost the final to a Killoe amalgamation.
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Replying To LongfordgaaAbú: "For Under 21 Championships over past 10 years (8 finals)...
Killoe = 5
Clonguish = 1
Colmcille = 1
Fr Manning Gaels = 1
For Minor Championships over past 10 years...
Killoe = 3
Mullinalaghta/Abbeylara = 3
Clonguish = 1
Longford Slashers = 1
Mostrim/Sean Connollys = 1
Ballymahon/Killashee/ Cashel = 1
For Juvenile Championships over past 10 years (9 finals)...
Killoe = 3
Clonguish = 3
Colmcille = 1
Mullinalaghta/Abbeylara = 1
Mostrim/Sean Connollys = 1
For Under 14 Championships over past 10 years...
Killoe = 4
Longford Slashers = 3
Clonguish = 2
Granard = 1
The various warnings about underage not being an absolute measure are well founded, but underage structures and support in moving from underage to senior is more advanced now than it was during the days of Granards underage dominance in the 1990's or when Dromard were winning all those U21's. Doesn't guarantee success, but it is a useful marker for where experience and capability might be for future success. Getting the transition right is an artform." thats dismissive and a little unfair on granard and dromards efforts, im not sure what great advancements other clubs are using now. obviously hard work at underage is vital but there is more than a little bit of luck involved with players personalities weather they make it through at senior. how they react to leaving school, personal circumstances and other things in life being more important
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Replying To catchturnscore: "I suppose there is two types of underage domination, the sustained always being in contention type and then the super team group of players that everyone in the county knows from u12 up are gonna be unbeatable. Both types have advantages and disadvantages as they mature to senior, the sustained type may not necessarily have that couple of really top class players(particularly scorers) and the superteam are vulnerable to injuries/ emigration etc as the pool of players is smaller . That Granard era never really produced the top class intercounty level forward and that was one of the reasons they didn't progress. The Drumlish era was strange in that they had a very dominant underage team but the X factor was provided by D Hannify and Davis who were actually younger than the dominant group. The two best club minor teams I've seen are the Northern Gaels 2012/13 and the Drumlish 1990 who lost the final to a Killoe amalgamation." good point on the two types of domination. are you better with a well balanced team or one with a sprinkling of stars? drumlish werent dominant at underage level then though not sure where you are getting that they never won a minor in that period. best minor team ive seen was clonguish 2003.
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Replying To slasher9: "good point on the two types of domination. are you better with a well balanced team or one with a sprinkling of stars? drumlish werent dominant at underage level then though not sure where you are getting that they never won a minor in that period. best minor team ive seen was clonguish 2003." That Clonguish 2003 Minor team had a few lads who also appeared in the Senior Final, with Paddy Dowd actually winning the Senior Man of the Match if I'm not mistaken. They had about 7 of their Minor team on the Senior panel, that's why the Minor final was not the curtain raiser to the Senior final that year. Dromard actually had a very good minor team that year, any other year they would of won it.
The Granard teams from the 90s were a serious outfit.... Just could not bring it to Senior for whatever reason.
Spinx (Longford) - Posts: 1236 - 10/12/2021 11:40:15
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Replying To slasher9: "good point on the two types of domination. are you better with a well balanced team or one with a sprinkling of stars? drumlish werent dominant at underage level then though not sure where you are getting that they never won a minor in that period. best minor team ive seen was clonguish 2003." Drumlish had a team that reached the 1990 minor final that had been totally dominant from u12 up. It also supplied the backbone of a serious Moyne team that drew a massive crowd to the park for a game against Mel's (think they won the Leinster league). They didn't win a minor as they lost to a strong amalgamation but as a standalone club they were streets ahead of everyone else in the county at the time.
catchturnscore (Longford) - Posts: 149 - 10/12/2021 13:42:25
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Replying To catchturnscore: "Drumlish had a team that reached the 1990 minor final that had been totally dominant from u12 up. It also supplied the backbone of a serious Moyne team that drew a massive crowd to the park for a game against Mel's (think they won the Leinster league). They didn't win a minor as they lost to a strong amalgamation but as a standalone club they were streets ahead of everyone else in the county at the time." i remember them loosing to ballymahon in 94 when slashers won the senior that year. i remember because trevor smullen was the most outstanding underage player i recall seeing in this county. really brilliant and a brilliant senior player too who i think very underrated when compared to other more high profile players
slasher9 (Longford) - Posts: 233 - 10/12/2021 14:36:54
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Replying To LongfordgaaAbú: "Completely agree that the grade changes are a disaster. Parachuting in a festive Under 19 competition at the 11th hour to try and save the day by giving young lads football in the worst part of the year, isn't the solution either. Need to move minor back to under 18 and ensure under 20 is back in 2022, even if something has to give to make that happen. That bridge from underage to senior is critical in determining the success of adult clubs and the county team.
And don't get me started on those super amalgamations." The U 19 was originally planned for July but due to pressure from a small number of clubs , it was pulled.. Some of the same chairmen crying about losing players at underage and wanting to change minor back to U 18 at convention last night.!!! ,so as soon as an adult fixture clashes with an U 18 he'll be on campaign to call off underage comp again
Therein2010 (Longford) - Posts: 45 - 10/12/2021 19:10:56
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Replying To catchturnscore: "I suppose there is two types of underage domination, the sustained always being in contention type and then the super team group of players that everyone in the county knows from u12 up are gonna be unbeatable. Both types have advantages and disadvantages as they mature to senior, the sustained type may not necessarily have that couple of really top class players(particularly scorers) and the superteam are vulnerable to injuries/ emigration etc as the pool of players is smaller . That Granard era never really produced the top class intercounty level forward and that was one of the reasons they didn't progress. The Drumlish era was strange in that they had a very dominant underage team but the X factor was provided by D Hannify and Davis who were actually younger than the dominant group. The two best club minor teams I've seen are the Northern Gaels 2012/13 and the Drumlish 1990 who lost the final to a Killoe amalgamation." Do you mean the 2013/2014 Northern Gaels team . As a group only beaten once from U 12 to minor. Should have lost the drawn final to Clonguish, but blitzed them in replay. Lost a semi final to St Vincent's in 2012 despite been 5 points upwith 10 minutes to go that prevented them winning 5 or 6 in a row. Also won
in 2015..
Therein2010 (Longford) - Posts: 45 - 10/12/2021 19:21:14
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Replying To Therein2010: "Do you mean the 2013/2014 Northern Gaels team . As a group only beaten once from U 12 to minor. Should have lost the drawn final to Clonguish, but blitzed them in replay. Lost a semi final to St Vincent's in 2012 despite been 5 points upwith 10 minutes to go that prevented them winning 5 or 6 in a row. Also won
in 2015.." Yeah probably 2013/14 I'm thinking of. Kenagh also had a great group in the mid 80's but they never even made a senior final.
catchturnscore (Longford) - Posts: 149 - 11/12/2021 08:20:21
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Replying To Therein2010: "The U 19 was originally planned for July but due to pressure from a small number of clubs , it was pulled.. Some of the same chairmen crying about losing players at underage and wanting to change minor back to U 18 at convention last night.!!! ,so as soon as an adult fixture clashes with an U 18 he'll be on campaign to call off underage comp again" There is less of a chance of under 18 players being involved with an adult team than under 19.
It should revert to under 18.
Mull93 (Longford) - Posts: 119 - 11/12/2021 08:46:11
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Pat Flanaghan and Padraig Pearses into the Connacht Final. Its a pity he didn't talk the talk compared to others in his interview because we would be in a lot better place going into 2022 then we are.
Mull93 (Longford) - Posts: 119 - 11/12/2021 15:50:21
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Replying To Mull93: "Pat Flanaghan and Padraig Pearses into the Connacht Final. Its a pity he didn't talk the talk compared to others in his interview because we would be in a lot better place going into 2022 then we are." Imagine not giving him the job. Longford county board are backwards
williesboy (Leitrim) - Posts: 338 - 12/12/2021 12:37:00
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Replying To Spinx: "That Clonguish 2003 Minor team had a few lads who also appeared in the Senior Final, with Paddy Dowd actually winning the Senior Man of the Match if I'm not mistaken. They had about 7 of their Minor team on the Senior panel, that's why the Minor final was not the curtain raiser to the Senior final that year. Dromard actually had a very good minor team that year, any other year they would of won it.
The Granard teams from the 90s were a serious outfit.... Just could not bring it to Senior for whatever reason." Paddy Dowd was a serious Minor.
3rdmidfielder (Australia) - Posts: 294 - 12/12/2021 12:52:27
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Looking at the minor championship winners over the years, does anyone know the answer to these questions?
Why were Slashers called St Michaels and why did they change name?
Why were Clonguish called Lough Forbes Gaels and why did they change name?
St. Sinneachs looks to be Carrickedmonds underage, is this actually Colehill?
Mull93 (Longford) - Posts: 119 - 12/12/2021 17:48:32
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Looking at the minor championship winners over the years, does anyone know the answer to these questions?
Why were Slashers called St Michaels and why did they change name?
Why were Clonguish called Lough Forbes Gaels and why did they change name?
St. Sinneachs looks to be Carrickedmonds underage, is this actually Colehill?
Mull93 (Longford) - Posts: 119 - 12/12/2021 17:48:34
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St. Michael's is the name of the boys school in the town so from schoolboy up they used to be called that.
I remember playing both of the others , Lough Forbes Gaels I believe that was just another name for clonguish and wasn't an amalgamation of any sort. .
St. Sinneachs was definitely Carrickedmond but may have included Legan.
Schoolboy football in the 80's was also by Parish and not individual schools with an urban and rural championship.
catchturnscore (Longford) - Posts: 149 - 12/12/2021 20:05:35
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From what I can remember these were the underage clubs of the 1990's.
Abbeylara/Mullinalaghta - Northern Gaels
Ardagh/Moydow Harpers - St. James
Ballymahon/Forgney - Leo Caseys
Ballymore - Ballymore Shamrocks
Carrickedmond - St. Sinneachs
Cashel - Cuchullains (not sure if this included Killashee - they then became Southern Gaels in 1998)
Clonguish- Lough Forbes Gaels
Colmcille - St. Colmcilles
Dromard- St. Francis
Fr. Manning Gaels - St. Vincents
Granard - Granard
Kenagh - St. Dominics
Killoe - Killoe
Legan Sarsfields - Legan Casements
Longford Slashers - St. Michaels
Mostrim- Wolfe Tones
Rathcline - Shannon Gaels
Sean Connollys - Clonbroney
Shroid Slashers - St. Mels
Young Grattans - Grattan Gaels
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Replying To Spinx: "From what I can remember these were the underage clubs of the 1990's.
Abbeylara/Mullinalaghta - Northern Gaels
Ardagh/Moydow Harpers - St. James
Ballymahon/Forgney - Leo Caseys
Ballymore - Ballymore Shamrocks
Carrickedmond - St. Sinneachs
Cashel - Cuchullains (not sure if this included Killashee - they then became Southern Gaels in 1998)
Clonguish- Lough Forbes Gaels
Colmcille - St. Colmcilles
Dromard- St. Francis
Fr. Manning Gaels - St. Vincents
Granard - Granard
Kenagh - St. Dominics
Killoe - Killoe
Legan Sarsfields - Legan Casements
Longford Slashers - St. Michaels
Mostrim- Wolfe Tones
Rathcline - Shannon Gaels
Sean Connollys - Clonbroney
Shroid Slashers - St. Mels
Young Grattans - Grattan Gaels" Ballymahon were called Leo Caseys but they weren't joined with Forgney. Forgney players played with Ballymahon but also with Carrickedmond and possibly other clubs. Forgney players were forced to play with Ballymahon in the very late 90's, maybe early 2000's. There was a big fuss about it at the time.
Killashee were standalone club underage until late 90's.
Mull93 (Longford) - Posts: 119 - 13/12/2021 12:18:55
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Replying To slasher9: "i remember them loosing to ballymahon in 94 when slashers won the senior that year. i remember because trevor smullen was the most outstanding underage player i recall seeing in this county. really brilliant and a brilliant senior player too who i think very underrated when compared to other more high profile players" Pretty sure he started playing with the county senior team from the age of 18?
Did Paul Barden do similar a few years later?
iluvspuds (Longford) - Posts: 160 - 13/12/2021 14:52:32
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