|
Replying To Creidim...: "I suppose senior b would effectively be the new intermediate? This could be a little like the provincial championships debate in that smaller/rural clubs would have less chance of championship silverware, but I think it would increase the standard of our club games, and increase the pool of club players good enough for the county panel. The current system is exciting for supporters but luck of the draw is still a significant factor. A club can face the 4 'best teams' (if we take league position as a rough ranking) and not make the quarters, whereas a lower ranked team can benefit from a kind draw.
In this format, I imagine both the A and B groups would be an absolute dogfight. There would probably still be a gap once the top 2 B teams make the quarters against A opposition, but this might be a better way to impose the transition between intermediate and senior, rather than the 1 up, 1 down, bottleneck. Have to say, as others have, the intermediate is hugely competitive this year, as the senior would be if the top 6 teams were in one group. Think this idea has a lot of potential.
Would you scrap the intermediate championship then, if there are 12 'senior' teams? Have highest ranked B team represent Leitrim at Connacht club level, as the ladies do, then a 6-team junior A championship?" Yes another division for weaker clubs might be in order.
Currently Gortlettragh v Fenagh would be like Leitrim v Kildare in county football terms where a massive hammering is on the cards.
Buzzcagney62 (Leitrim) - Posts: 217 - 24/08/2023 07:53:43
2502008
Link
0
|
|
Replying To Buzzcagney62: "Yes another division for weaker clubs might be in order.
Currently Gortlettragh v Fenagh would be like Leitrim v Kildare in county football terms where a massive hammering is on the cards." that just reminds me of the senior and senior b championship in Dublin, it is clubs not accepting that they are not good enough to win county championship so they have a B championship where they do not get to play in leinster if they win, the intermediate (next grade down) compete instead and do not get anywhere as they are technically the junior champions.
We are not blessed with lots of clubs and players here so if it cannot be 8 teams it should be at least 2 up and 2 down, joke that only one of Gort, Dromahair and Aughnasleelin will get relegated.
gaelsboy (Leitrim) - Posts: 560 - 24/08/2023 11:04:47
2502041
Link
0
|
|
Replying To gaelsboy: "that just reminds me of the senior and senior b championship in Dublin, it is clubs not accepting that they are not good enough to win county championship so they have a B championship where they do not get to play in leinster if they win, the intermediate (next grade down) compete instead and do not get anywhere as they are technically the junior champions.
We are not blessed with lots of clubs and players here so if it cannot be 8 teams it should be at least 2 up and 2 down, joke that only one of Gort, Dromahair and Aughnasleelin will get relegated." I agree it should be two up two down. Eight teams only. If it were up to me it'd be a straight promotion/relegation but there's not a hope in hell that'd be accepted. The losing intermediate finalists playing the second last senior team means that they both have a chance to prove they're good enough to go up or stay up. If this isn't feasible then find a way to link the senior championship to the league. It's fair to say that this year proves that there should be a link in terms of league position and what championship you're in.
It's obvious there are teams that are way off the mark for senior. That's the system and they've no choice but to play it but it is demoralising for them and destroys any motivation they have. Would you blame lads for not training as hard or deciding to travel instead?
Whatever about the senior teams, the present system of only one up from intermediate is very unfair and is also demoralising for teams. They know the chances of going up are very slim and I suspect it affects the level of commitment also. There has to be a realistic pathway so that senior teams know there is a way back if they get relegated and intermediate teams know that the necessary commitment will be rewarded.
As it stands, the net result is a complete mismatch in terms of preparation and this affects the standards at inter-county level. The level of commitment required at club level is massive and there is very little understanding of this amongst a lot of the supporters. A lot of them and their clubs appear to be happy stuck in their deluded little bubble that they rarely leave.
ThePowerhouse (Leitrim) - Posts: 140 - 24/08/2023 12:38:51
2502055
Link
0
|
|
It's only a few years ago that Fenagh and Leitrim Gaels were playing Intermediate, while struggling senior clubs like Drumreilly, Bornacoola and Carrigallen were fighting tooth and nail to stay senior.
The one team up and one team down system must go.
Team strengths can change drastically from year to year with retirements, injuries and travel.
Dromahair, Aughnasheelin and Gortletteragh have all been affected. I wouldn't be too critical of them. Ive no doubt these teams are working as hard as any other club.
However no matter what, one of these clubs is guaranteed to still be senior in 3 years.
If you take the 5 biggest clubs in Intermediate at the moment for example; Annaduff, Melvin Gaels, Allen Gaels, Carrigallen and Kiltubrid.
Any one or all of these are capable of developing into a strong senior team. But with the current system, one of these is guaranteed remain Intermediate for the next 5 years.
Longford gaa who are our closest comparison in terms of population and club numbers have 2 groups of 6 in their senior championship.
I would do the same for the Intermediate Championship as well.
I think it's the way to go with 2 teams relegated and 2 teams promoted.
Leitrim2024 (Leitrim) - Posts: 61 - 25/08/2023 01:14:33
2502164
Link
0
|
|
Whats peoples thoughts for the upcoming intermediate games this weeekend.
Annaduff v Aughavas: Annaduff havent been tested yet and aughavas done well to get a result against ballinaglera last week. Although from what I heard the ballinaglera team wouldnt score in a brotthle from their shooting performance against them
Melvin Gaels v Boornacoola: A debatable one this booracoola have a big game in them. boornacoola by 6
Drumshambo v Carrigallen; A rematch of the league final. Hard to call , Drumshambo by 10+
Drumkeerin v Kiltubrid; Kiltubrid done well to salvage a draw last week against the mighty gaels away. Be a close affair, I'll give kiltubrid the nod.
Ballinaglera V Drumreily; Hard to get to intersted in this one, footballing quality will be low. One things for sure they will make up for it with physicality and ballinaglera and drumreily will bring the usual thuggery you expect from them. Ballinaglera are desperate for a win. Expect to see sparks fly and a few possible broken noses. Drumreily by 2
roadtocroker94 (Leitrim) - Posts: 1 - 25/08/2023 15:41:18
2502243
Link
1
|
|
Replying To roadtocroker94: "Whats peoples thoughts for the upcoming intermediate games this weeekend.
Annaduff v Aughavas: Annaduff havent been tested yet and aughavas done well to get a result against ballinaglera last week. Although from what I heard the ballinaglera team wouldnt score in a brotthle from their shooting performance against them
Melvin Gaels v Boornacoola: A debatable one this booracoola have a big game in them. boornacoola by 6
Drumshambo v Carrigallen; A rematch of the league final. Hard to call , Drumshambo by 10+
Drumkeerin v Kiltubrid; Kiltubrid done well to salvage a draw last week against the mighty gaels away. Be a close affair, I'll give kiltubrid the nod.
Ballinaglera V Drumreily; Hard to get to intersted in this one, footballing quality will be low. One things for sure they will make up for it with physicality and ballinaglera and drumreily will bring the usual thuggery you expect from them. Ballinaglera are desperate for a win. Expect to see sparks fly and a few possible broken noses. Drumreily by 2" Should have kept your thoughts to yourself, clearly only commented so you could attack Ballinaglera, very sad...
theroadtocroker (Leitrim) - Posts: 27 - 26/08/2023 08:20:48
2502284
Link
0
|
|
Replying To theroadtocroker: "Should have kept your thoughts to yourself, clearly only commented so you could attack Ballinaglera, very sad..." Have to agree, a thinly disguised rant. I have no particular gra for gleara. But that post is very petty.
Backheel (Leitrim) - Posts: 164 - 26/08/2023 12:28:13
2502306
Link
0
|
|
Replying To roadtocroker94: "Whats peoples thoughts for the upcoming intermediate games this weeekend.
Annaduff v Aughavas: Annaduff havent been tested yet and aughavas done well to get a result against ballinaglera last week. Although from what I heard the ballinaglera team wouldnt score in a brotthle from their shooting performance against them
Melvin Gaels v Boornacoola: A debatable one this booracoola have a big game in them. boornacoola by 6
Drumshambo v Carrigallen; A rematch of the league final. Hard to call , Drumshambo by 10+
Drumkeerin v Kiltubrid; Kiltubrid done well to salvage a draw last week against the mighty gaels away. Be a close affair, I'll give kiltubrid the nod.
Ballinaglera V Drumreily; Hard to get to intersted in this one, footballing quality will be low. One things for sure they will make up for it with physicality and ballinaglera and drumreily will bring the usual thuggery you expect from them. Ballinaglera are desperate for a win. Expect to see sparks fly and a few possible broken noses. Drumreily by 2" Totally unacceptable comments re Ballinaglera.
joeman123 (Leitrim) - Posts: 502 - 26/08/2023 20:26:36
2502366
Link
0
|
|
Replying To joeman123: "Totally unacceptable comments re Ballinaglera." Unacceptable to both glera and drumreilly, shocking comment.
Interesting in 15 intermediate championship matches only 4 home victories, shows how competitive the championship is,
Very surprised carrigallen got such a clipping this evening
sparkie (Leitrim) - Posts: 72 - 26/08/2023 22:00:42
2502382
Link
0
|
|
I have to say the standard of reffing in the county is awful. I wouldn't want to be a ref myself, but christ of almighty some of these fellas have been around since the Titanic. Martin Feeney seems to be the only young and fairly new ref in the county. I believe he can ref both codes? Fair play to him. Then we have the buck from Roscommon, who has arrived across the border this yr to ref games. Apart from those two I don't think we've the status duo these last 15 odd yrs
Weaternpro (Leitrim) - Posts: 63 - 26/08/2023 23:35:08
2502392
Link
0
|
|
Replying To Weaternpro: "I have to say the standard of reffing in the county is awful. I wouldn't want to be a ref myself, but christ of almighty some of these fellas have been around since the Titanic. Martin Feeney seems to be the only young and fairly new ref in the county. I believe he can ref both codes? Fair play to him. Then we have the buck from Roscommon, who has arrived across the border this yr to ref games. Apart from those two I don't think we've the status duo these last 15 odd yrs" What do you expect to happen if there isn't people stepping up to referee games? You said it yourself... you wouldn't want to be a referee. Says it all when we're relying on a referee from Roscommon. It's not an easy job and it's no wonder people don't want to do it with the culture of how we treat refs in the GAA.
Square_B (Leitrim) - Posts: 1012 - 27/08/2023 11:56:48
2502430
Link
1
|
|
Pity we can't use more referees from bordering counties it might be closer for a ref to come from Longford or Cavan border to south Leitrim than north Leitrim or a ref from Donegal or Sligo for games in north Leitrim,would be more neutral for big games and help if there's a shortage of referees in the county
Redlad6 (Leitrim) - Posts: 30 - 27/08/2023 21:33:17
2502512
Link
0
|
|
Replying To Square_B: "What do you expect to happen if there isn't people stepping up to referee games? You said it yourself... you wouldn't want to be a referee. Says it all when we're relying on a referee from Roscommon. It's not an easy job and it's no wonder people don't want to do it with the culture of how we treat refs in the GAA." I have to agree with Weaternpro. I have been harping on about it for years. In my opinion it's the biggest hindrance to Leitrim football. You can't have an honest discussion about referring without it been considered a personal attack. This give respect get respect is only tailored towards the referees and then the same childish answer is well why don't you ref. As if the referees are doing a public service rather than getting paid for it.
leitrimlad15 (Leitrim) - Posts: 108 - 28/08/2023 08:51:18
2502552
Link
0
|
|
Myself and Marty have been scouting the county on the new electric scooter all week. We've finally agreed on our predictions for this week. As usual, all predictions are guaranteed to be 100% correct.
Gortletteragh v Aughawillian
Even if Aughnasheelin and Manor lose, Aughawillian needs to make up a 25-point scoring difference to get into the knockouts. Gortletteragh will be looking for an improved performance but Aughawillian should have too much strength in the middle of the field.
Willie's by 3.
Leitrim v Manor
Leitrim is safely through to knockouts. Manor must win. Tough game to call. Manor's hunger should give them an edge.
Manor by 1
Ballinamore v Fenagh
Not the draw Fenagh would have wanted. Some clubs will be hoping Ballinamore wins this and knocks out the league champs and one of the title favourites. Dromahair and Gortletteragh will be looking for a Fenagh win. No one will want to draw Fenagh in a relegation playoff.
Fenaghs need for victory should see them, though.
Fenagh by 3
Mohill v Mary's
This would have been the game of the weekend, but unfortunately, it's a dead rubber game. I'm not certain how both teams will treat this. Will Mohill rest Keith Beirne? Mary's have the stronger squad so I'll give them the nod.
Mary's by 2
Aughnasheelin v Dromahair
Despite missing several players, Aughnasheelin has a real chance of making the knockouts. Dromahair have been stubborn in their losses to date, and a win for them would be huge heading into the relegation playoffs.
I'm inclined to give Dromahair the nod here.
Dromahair by 1.
Leitrim2024 (Leitrim) - Posts: 61 - 28/08/2023 15:58:49
2502674
Link
2
|
|
What's going on with Ballinamore and the pitch? It's closed at least 12mths now still playing games in Corlough in Cavan? I seem to remember they where/are in awful debt as well, last I heard the where only able to service the debt.
Weaternpro (Leitrim) - Posts: 63 - 28/08/2023 17:40:21
2502704
Link
0
|
|
Replying To leitrimlad15: "I have to agree with Weaternpro. I have been harping on about it for years. In my opinion it's the biggest hindrance to Leitrim football. You can't have an honest discussion about referring without it been considered a personal attack. This give respect get respect is only tailored towards the referees and then the same childish answer is well why don't you ref. As if the referees are doing a public service rather than getting paid for it." Oh lord.
Do you ever think for a moment why we have the quality of ref we have? Because most right minded people wouldn't put up with the abuse from so called self appointed experts along the sideline or as I like to call them, hurlers on the ditch. If there's no respect you surely can't expect to attract the caliber of referee required. No amount of money is going to change that.
Square_B (Leitrim) - Posts: 1012 - 28/08/2023 18:01:02
2502708
Link
0
|
|
Replying To Leitrim2024: "Myself and Marty have been scouting the county on the new electric scooter all week. We've finally agreed on our predictions for this week. As usual, all predictions are guaranteed to be 100% correct.
Gortletteragh v Aughawillian
Even if Aughnasheelin and Manor lose, Aughawillian needs to make up a 25-point scoring difference to get into the knockouts. Gortletteragh will be looking for an improved performance but Aughawillian should have too much strength in the middle of the field.
Willie's by 3.
Leitrim v Manor
Leitrim is safely through to knockouts. Manor must win. Tough game to call. Manor's hunger should give them an edge.
Manor by 1
Ballinamore v Fenagh
Not the draw Fenagh would have wanted. Some clubs will be hoping Ballinamore wins this and knocks out the league champs and one of the title favourites. Dromahair and Gortletteragh will be looking for a Fenagh win. No one will want to draw Fenagh in a relegation playoff.
Fenaghs need for victory should see them, though.
Fenagh by 3
Mohill v Mary's
This would have been the game of the weekend, but unfortunately, it's a dead rubber game. I'm not certain how both teams will treat this. Will Mohill rest Keith Beirne? Mary's have the stronger squad so I'll give them the nod.
Mary's by 2
Aughnasheelin v Dromahair
Despite missing several players, Aughnasheelin has a real chance of making the knockouts. Dromahair have been stubborn in their losses to date, and a win for them would be huge heading into the relegation playoffs.
I'm inclined to give Dromahair the nod here.
Dromahair by 1." If mohill beat st Mary's they get the automatic semi spot
Redlad6 (Leitrim) - Posts: 30 - 28/08/2023 18:45:29
2502719
Link
0
|
|
Replying To Leitrim2024: "Myself and Marty have been scouting the county on the new electric scooter all week. We've finally agreed on our predictions for this week. As usual, all predictions are guaranteed to be 100% correct.
Gortletteragh v Aughawillian
Even if Aughnasheelin and Manor lose, Aughawillian needs to make up a 25-point scoring difference to get into the knockouts. Gortletteragh will be looking for an improved performance but Aughawillian should have too much strength in the middle of the field.
Willie's by 3.
Leitrim v Manor
Leitrim is safely through to knockouts. Manor must win. Tough game to call. Manor's hunger should give them an edge.
Manor by 1
Ballinamore v Fenagh
Not the draw Fenagh would have wanted. Some clubs will be hoping Ballinamore wins this and knocks out the league champs and one of the title favourites. Dromahair and Gortletteragh will be looking for a Fenagh win. No one will want to draw Fenagh in a relegation playoff.
Fenaghs need for victory should see them, though.
Fenagh by 3
Mohill v Mary's
This would have been the game of the weekend, but unfortunately, it's a dead rubber game. I'm not certain how both teams will treat this. Will Mohill rest Keith Beirne? Mary's have the stronger squad so I'll give them the nod.
Mary's by 2
Aughnasheelin v Dromahair
Despite missing several players, Aughnasheelin has a real chance of making the knockouts. Dromahair have been stubborn in their losses to date, and a win for them would be huge heading into the relegation playoffs.
I'm inclined to give Dromahair the nod here.
Dromahair by 1." Not sure Mohill v Mary's is a dead rubber…. If Mohill win they jump into automatic semi final
SLM (Leitrim) - Posts: 200 - 28/08/2023 19:23:58
2502726
Link
0
|
|
Replying To Leitrim2024: "Myself and Marty have been scouting the county on the new electric scooter all week. We've finally agreed on our predictions for this week. As usual, all predictions are guaranteed to be 100% correct.
Gortletteragh v Aughawillian
Even if Aughnasheelin and Manor lose, Aughawillian needs to make up a 25-point scoring difference to get into the knockouts. Gortletteragh will be looking for an improved performance but Aughawillian should have too much strength in the middle of the field.
Willie's by 3.
Leitrim v Manor
Leitrim is safely through to knockouts. Manor must win. Tough game to call. Manor's hunger should give them an edge.
Manor by 1
Ballinamore v Fenagh
Not the draw Fenagh would have wanted. Some clubs will be hoping Ballinamore wins this and knocks out the league champs and one of the title favourites. Dromahair and Gortletteragh will be looking for a Fenagh win. No one will want to draw Fenagh in a relegation playoff.
Fenaghs need for victory should see them, though.
Fenagh by 3
Mohill v Mary's
This would have been the game of the weekend, but unfortunately, it's a dead rubber game. I'm not certain how both teams will treat this. Will Mohill rest Keith Beirne? Mary's have the stronger squad so I'll give them the nod.
Mary's by 2
Aughnasheelin v Dromahair
Despite missing several players, Aughnasheelin has a real chance of making the knockouts. Dromahair have been stubborn in their losses to date, and a win for them would be huge heading into the relegation playoffs.
I'm inclined to give Dromahair the nod here.
Dromahair by 1." Dont think mohill v Mary's a dead rubber by any means. Its a game both will want to win and get straight to a semi final
Thejampot (Leitrim) - Posts: 336 - 28/08/2023 19:28:28
2502727
Link
0
|
|
Replying To Weaternpro: "I have to say the standard of reffing in the county is awful. I wouldn't want to be a ref myself, but christ of almighty some of these fellas have been around since the Titanic. Martin Feeney seems to be the only young and fairly new ref in the county. I believe he can ref both codes? Fair play to him. Then we have the buck from Roscommon, who has arrived across the border this yr to ref games. Apart from those two I don't think we've the status duo these last 15 odd yrs" Mark McCloskey is young and fairly new also and by all accounts a great referee. We need more of them tho absolutely
leitrim4sam (Leitrim) - Posts: 664 - 28/08/2023 19:39:28
2502729
Link
0
|