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How are we fixed for Sunday? Will any of our injured players be back?
green.and.gold (Leitrim) - Posts: 427 - 30/05/2023 15:49:47
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Not much talk about the Wexford game and I can understand why. Hopefully we win, it's a winnable game. And good luck to the lads. Andy isn't the problem, Jim Gavin in his pomp couldn't get these lads promoted. I would like Andy to continue for year three with the squad staying the same and committing. Get Ryan, Donal Casey, David brown back fit and progress.
The most interesting thing for me was the reading in the observer this week, where they clarify a lot of issues within the county regarding why we are so poor at football.
The lot of it I agree with:
Yes- our club champs are a poorer standard than neighbouring counties
Yes- we should have less teams in the senior champ
Yes- we should have an 8 team senior, 8 team intermediate and 7 team junior champ of all first teams only
Yes- the county team will improve when our club teams improve.
Clubs have to vote to change the above at the annual convention and implement the change- good luck to that happening but they have to do it to change because we are way behind.
IMO Our senior clubs would struggle to win other counties intermediate champs and our intermediate champs are division 4 or 5 standard in other counties.
We are the only county without a win in any grade in the Connacht club champ. All other counties have at least one win in each grade and most have multiple wins in each grade.
Kiltubrid beat strandhill in 2005 and it was 9 years again until our next win in Connacht senior club before Aughawillan won against Sligo opposition once more. Have we had a win since then apart from St Mary's against London opponents last year???
Three counties dominate the Connacht club champs and they all finished in places 1,2 and 3 in the national league division 1. Make sense? Come on clubs go sort it out. Improve club football and the county team improves by default, it's automatic.
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Replying To green.and.gold: "How are we fixed for Sunday? Will any of our injured players be back?" I hear not
joeman123 (Leitrim) - Posts: 463 - 30/05/2023 19:42:09
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Replying To leitrim4sam: "Not much talk about the Wexford game and I can understand why. Hopefully we win, it's a winnable game. And good luck to the lads. Andy isn't the problem, Jim Gavin in his pomp couldn't get these lads promoted. I would like Andy to continue for year three with the squad staying the same and committing. Get Ryan, Donal Casey, David brown back fit and progress.
The most interesting thing for me was the reading in the observer this week, where they clarify a lot of issues within the county regarding why we are so poor at football.
The lot of it I agree with:
Yes- our club champs are a poorer standard than neighbouring counties
Yes- we should have less teams in the senior champ
Yes- we should have an 8 team senior, 8 team intermediate and 7 team junior champ of all first teams only
Yes- the county team will improve when our club teams improve.
Clubs have to vote to change the above at the annual convention and implement the change- good luck to that happening but they have to do it to change because we are way behind.
IMO Our senior clubs would struggle to win other counties intermediate champs and our intermediate champs are division 4 or 5 standard in other counties.
We are the only county without a win in any grade in the Connacht club champ. All other counties have at least one win in each grade and most have multiple wins in each grade.
Kiltubrid beat strandhill in 2005 and it was 9 years again until our next win in Connacht senior club before Aughawillan won against Sligo opposition once more. Have we had a win since then apart from St Mary's against London opponents last year???
Three counties dominate the Connacht club champs and they all finished in places 1,2 and 3 in the national league division 1. Make sense? Come on clubs go sort it out. Improve club football and the county team improves by default, it's automatic." Agree that a count of Leitrim's size should have no more than 8 teams per competition, Junior A is already down to 8 and rightly so due to a lot of 2nd teams only making up the numbers.
But turkeys do not vote for Christmas and some clubs knocking on the door for years know that they will never get up to senior/intermediate again if only 7 other teams to compete with so this will never be voted in.
gaelsboy (Leitrim) - Posts: 458 - 01/06/2023 11:54:35
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Replying To leitrim4sam: "Not much talk about the Wexford game and I can understand why. Hopefully we win, it's a winnable game. And good luck to the lads. Andy isn't the problem, Jim Gavin in his pomp couldn't get these lads promoted. I would like Andy to continue for year three with the squad staying the same and committing. Get Ryan, Donal Casey, David brown back fit and progress.
The most interesting thing for me was the reading in the observer this week, where they clarify a lot of issues within the county regarding why we are so poor at football.
The lot of it I agree with:
Yes- our club champs are a poorer standard than neighbouring counties
Yes- we should have less teams in the senior champ
Yes- we should have an 8 team senior, 8 team intermediate and 7 team junior champ of all first teams only
Yes- the county team will improve when our club teams improve.
Clubs have to vote to change the above at the annual convention and implement the change- good luck to that happening but they have to do it to change because we are way behind.
IMO Our senior clubs would struggle to win other counties intermediate champs and our intermediate champs are division 4 or 5 standard in other counties.
We are the only county without a win in any grade in the Connacht club champ. All other counties have at least one win in each grade and most have multiple wins in each grade.
Kiltubrid beat strandhill in 2005 and it was 9 years again until our next win in Connacht senior club before Aughawillan won against Sligo opposition once more. Have we had a win since then apart from St Mary's against London opponents last year???
Three counties dominate the Connacht club champs and they all finished in places 1,2 and 3 in the national league division 1. Make sense? Come on clubs go sort it out. Improve club football and the county team improves by default, it's automatic." All of this has been said before over and over and over again. People castigated Terry Hyland when he told a few hard truths. But this time something has to happen or we may all forget about it. Our hand maybe pushed anyhow... give it another decade and some rural clubs probably won't be able to field a team and will be forced into amalgamation. In reality, there's probably too many GAA clubs in Leitrim... look over to Roscommon... double the population but only 32 clubs. The absence of any real competition for starting positions amongst smaller clubs and a questionable competitive standard for bigger clubs who can put out 2nd & 3rd teams doesn't help the overall position either.
However, all of this does not take away from the criticism that has been rightly leveled at Andy Moran (which funny enough wasn't addressed & glossed over in the article). I expect his reign to end after the match on Sunday because the last 2 years (more so this year) has been an utter failure (I'm not expecting a win just to be clear).
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Replying To Square_B: "All of this has been said before over and over and over again. People castigated Terry Hyland when he told a few hard truths. But this time something has to happen or we may all forget about it. Our hand maybe pushed anyhow... give it another decade and some rural clubs probably won't be able to field a team and will be forced into amalgamation. In reality, there's probably too many GAA clubs in Leitrim... look over to Roscommon... double the population but only 32 clubs. The absence of any real competition for starting positions amongst smaller clubs and a questionable competitive standard for bigger clubs who can put out 2nd & 3rd teams doesn't help the overall position either.
However, all of this does not take away from the criticism that has been rightly leveled at Andy Moran (which funny enough wasn't addressed & glossed over in the article). I expect his reign to end after the match on Sunday because the last 2 years (more so this year) has been an utter failure (I'm not expecting a win just to be clear)." Square D and where would Leitrim go to get another manager?
As far as I know the players are bought into the set up and there hasn't been one defection despite all the recent disappointments and injuries to key players
joeman123 (Leitrim) - Posts: 463 - 01/06/2023 15:01:30
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Replying To joeman123: "Square D and where would Leitrim go to get another manager?
As far as I know the players are bought into the set up and there hasn't been one defection despite all the recent disappointments and injuries to key players" So what if they're hasn't been any deflections? The results and tactics on the field are what matters. Where would we go to get a manager? What a stupid question... obviously we know you're happy enough with the current setup. You do know there was more than Andy Moran interested in the job last time out and people will be interested again when the job comes around again. Some may need to be approached and persuaded but that's hardly anything new in GAA circles and particularly for counties like Leitrim. How did Offaly go out and get John Maughan? How did Wicklow get Oisin McConville? I highly doubt either were banging down the door of the respective county board looking to take on the job unlike Andy who was 'apparently' in for Longford when they had to release a statement clarifying the process before he then had to quickly releasing his own statement... deny deny deny. Obviously the story didn't come out of nowhere.
It will be a hard sell to the next person but people will be interested. What I do know is that it was a mistake to give it to a man who had very little coaching or management experience worth talking about.
Square_B (Leitrim) - Posts: 844 - 01/06/2023 19:32:09
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Replying To joeman123: "Square D and where would Leitrim go to get another manager?
As far as I know the players are bought into the set up and there hasn't been one defection despite all the recent disappointments and injuries to key players" What's happening with Melvin gaels.serious rumours
Bogger100 (Leitrim) - Posts: 99 - 02/06/2023 00:01:15
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Don't really know how you could say Jim Gavin couldn't get us promoted when we had 5 minutes of injury time to score a point against Sligo to get promoted. It's not like we got hammered in every game
We do have injuries but I would still have concerns about Andy from a tactical point of view. The lack of a short kick out to control the game means we give the ball away way too much and also leaving a small player like Tom Prior up front on his own and kicking long ball into him won't work.
There are things that can be improved on quite simply and make a difference
SeanMacDiarmada (Leitrim) - Posts: 395 - 02/06/2023 08:17:48
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Replying To Bogger100: "What's happening with Melvin gaels.serious rumours" Do elaborate?
gaelsboy (Leitrim) - Posts: 458 - 02/06/2023 10:59:09
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Replying To SeanMacDiarmada: "Don't really know how you could say Jim Gavin couldn't get us promoted when we had 5 minutes of injury time to score a point against Sligo to get promoted. It's not like we got hammered in every game
We do have injuries but I would still have concerns about Andy from a tactical point of view. The lack of a short kick out to control the game means we give the ball away way too much and also leaving a small player like Tom Prior up front on his own and kicking long ball into him won't work.
There are things that can be improved on quite simply and make a difference" Agreed. We were actually a point up against Sligo going into injury time. If Andy is staying he needs to bring in an experienced head coach. Kick outs,defensive structure, fitness S&C and lack of a running game need to be addressed.
3rdmidfielder (Australia) - Posts: 294 - 02/06/2023 11:54:59
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Replying To Square_B: "So what if they're hasn't been any deflections? The results and tactics on the field are what matters. Where would we go to get a manager? What a stupid question... obviously we know you're happy enough with the current setup. You do know there was more than Andy Moran interested in the job last time out and people will be interested again when the job comes around again. Some may need to be approached and persuaded but that's hardly anything new in GAA circles and particularly for counties like Leitrim. How did Offaly go out and get John Maughan? How did Wicklow get Oisin McConville? I highly doubt either were banging down the door of the respective county board looking to take on the job unlike Andy who was 'apparently' in for Longford when they had to release a statement clarifying the process before he then had to quickly releasing his own statement... deny deny deny. Obviously the story didn't come out of nowhere.
It will be a hard sell to the next person but people will be interested. What I do know is that it was a mistake to give it to a man who had very little coaching or management experience worth talking about." The fact that there hasn't been any defections (bar Riordan O Rourke) is huge. The biggest problem for the county has been turn over of players. Leading to inconsistent conditioning and lack understanding of game time with the squad around you. Last year I remember loads of Sligo posters calling for mcentees head. Now he is the bees knees. Anyone who has ever coached at any level knows they way things look from the inside is very different to the outside. Time with a group over a sustained period will strengthen resolve resilience conditioning and unity. These things can often be the one point turnaround that are the difference between promotion and staying where you are.
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I wouldn't be writing Maugham or McConville down as messiahs just yet either. The both got first year bounces.
Backheel (Leitrim) - Posts: 133 - 02/06/2023 17:07:26
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Replying To Backheel: "The fact that there hasn't been any defections (bar Riordan O Rourke) is huge. The biggest problem for the county has been turn over of players. Leading to inconsistent conditioning and lack understanding of game time with the squad around you. Last year I remember loads of Sligo posters calling for mcentees head. Now he is the bees knees. Anyone who has ever coached at any level knows they way things look from the inside is very different to the outside. Time with a group over a sustained period will strengthen resolve resilience conditioning and unity. These things can often be the one point turnaround that are the difference between promotion and staying where you are.
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I wouldn't be writing Maugham or McConville down as messiahs just yet either. The both got first year bounces." Talk about missing the point of the post.... the hard reality is that it was a mistake appointing an inexperienced management team. The results and tactics on the field prove that reality. I never called any of those men messiahs as you well know... and you well know what the context was of the point being made. The quicker we can all move on from this fiasco the better... it's painful to watch.
Square_B (Leitrim) - Posts: 844 - 03/06/2023 10:29:03
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Replying To Backheel: "The fact that there hasn't been any defections (bar Riordan O Rourke) is huge. The biggest problem for the county has been turn over of players. Leading to inconsistent conditioning and lack understanding of game time with the squad around you. Last year I remember loads of Sligo posters calling for mcentees head. Now he is the bees knees. Anyone who has ever coached at any level knows they way things look from the inside is very different to the outside. Time with a group over a sustained period will strengthen resolve resilience conditioning and unity. These things can often be the one point turnaround that are the difference between promotion and staying where you are.
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I wouldn't be writing Maugham or McConville down as messiahs just yet either. The both got first year bounces." You got it in one.
I hear the buy in from the players is huge.
There is no magic supremo who is going to work the oracle.
I have spoken to a player and he says everyone is bought into the project.
Why not get behind them as true Leitrim Supporters and give the project a chance.
Certain contributors on this site have sought to undermine the set up from the start. For what pupose or agenda.
Leitrim supporters can support the panel and the management by travelling to Parnell Pk tomorrow. They have been fantastic all year,so don't stop now.
joeman123 (Leitrim) - Posts: 463 - 03/06/2023 11:15:32
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Replying To Backheel: "The fact that there hasn't been any defections (bar Riordan O Rourke) is huge. The biggest problem for the county has been turn over of players. Leading to inconsistent conditioning and lack understanding of game time with the squad around you. Last year I remember loads of Sligo posters calling for mcentees head. Now he is the bees knees. Anyone who has ever coached at any level knows they way things look from the inside is very different to the outside. Time with a group over a sustained period will strengthen resolve resilience conditioning and unity. These things can often be the one point turnaround that are the difference between promotion and staying where you are.
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I wouldn't be writing Maugham or McConville down as messiahs just yet either. The both got first year bounces." Agree with you 100%. Loads were looking for Mc Entees head. Up until we played ye in Carrick in the Tailteann Cup we seemed to be going nowhere. We kicked on after that. A manager needs time and he needs the best players available and on the pitch. Players bought into Mc Entee and his approach and players that had opted out of the panel previously to play other sports returned. Ray Dempsey was favourite for the Mayo job, didn't get it and went to Limerick instead and we all saw how that finished. Look at the mess in Donegal where the manager was also removed. People need to be careful for what they wish for. Instead of automatically dumping the manager, look at what has happened in Offaly. Michael Duignan came in as Co Chair and raised the standards everywhere. Google the progress that the county has made since. It's very impressive
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Replying To eoinog: "Agree with you 100%. Loads were looking for Mc Entees head. Up until we played ye in Carrick in the Tailteann Cup we seemed to be going nowhere. We kicked on after that. A manager needs time and he needs the best players available and on the pitch. Players bought into Mc Entee and his approach and players that had opted out of the panel previously to play other sports returned. Ray Dempsey was favourite for the Mayo job, didn't get it and went to Limerick instead and we all saw how that finished. Look at the mess in Donegal where the manager was also removed. People need to be careful for what they wish for. Instead of automatically dumping the manager, look at what has happened in Offaly. Michael Duignan came in as Co Chair and raised the standards everywhere. Google the progress that the county has made since. It's very impressive" Managers are already gone in leitrim club football already this year.melvin Gaels looking manager again
Bogger100 (Leitrim) - Posts: 99 - 03/06/2023 11:49:05
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Replying To joeman123: "You got it in one.
I hear the buy in from the players is huge.
There is no magic supremo who is going to work the oracle.
I have spoken to a player and he says everyone is bought into the project.
Why not get behind them as true Leitrim Supporters and give the project a chance.
Certain contributors on this site have sought to undermine the set up from the start. For what pupose or agenda.
Leitrim supporters can support the panel and the management by travelling to Parnell Pk tomorrow. They have been fantastic all year,so don't stop now." You must love the misery Joe. While I have you tell us all about this 'project' that's going on at the moment? What are the goals and outcomes? Are you expecting an All Ireland out of it or what? It must be top secret because we've heard nothing about it. And what after 2024? Are we going to give Moran another 3 years to implement this supposed 'project' with no progress because unless something drastic happens in the next 12 months, there will be no promotion prospects for this team. Our supporters are surely fantastic... crying out for success but keep coming back for more. There wouldn't be many other set of supporters that would tolerate it.
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Tipperary beat Waterford by a point. They are on -28 so if (and it's a huge if) we beat wexford we'll go through to the preliminary quarter finals scoring difference won't come into it. Am I right in thinking that?
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Replying To Square_B: "You must love the misery Joe. While I have you tell us all about this 'project' that's going on at the moment? What are the goals and outcomes? Are you expecting an All Ireland out of it or what? It must be top secret because we've heard nothing about it. And what after 2024? Are we going to give Moran another 3 years to implement this supposed 'project' with no progress because unless something drastic happens in the next 12 months, there will be no promotion prospects for this team. Our supporters are surely fantastic... crying out for success but keep coming back for more. There wouldn't be many other set of supporters that would tolerate it." Agree the Supporters are crying out for success .
We all are but your solution is guaranteed to collapse everything.
Is that what you want ?
If you are interested in real change go and get motions to implement the changes recommended by John Connolly in his frank but challenging article recently.
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Replying To green.and.gold: "Tipperary beat Waterford by a point. They are on -28 so if (and it's a huge if) we beat wexford we'll go through to the preliminary quarter finals scoring difference won't come into it. Am I right in thinking that?" I agree and hope we are right. I think after the Tipp win a 1 pt win in Parnell Park and we are through.
leitrimforsam (Leitrim) - Posts: 85 - 03/06/2023 16:14:25
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