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Replying To Tacaí Liatroma:  "Following Sligo's dismissal of New York, here's a couple of hypothetical questions:

1. How would Sligo have done over in Gaelic Park if it had been their turn to go over there two weeks ago?

2. Really pushing the what-if boat here, but, following on from Q1, if New York had won that one, how would we have fared today in Carrick against the same New York team that lost to Sligo by 16 points?"
Sligo would win in NY but not by so much; 4-5 points. NY would still win in Carrick, probably by 3-4 points in regular time. NY has a big psychological advantage over Leitrim now, and it's going to be hard for Leitrim to reverse that!

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 1784 - 23/04/2023 01:47:43    2472614

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Replying To Yondu:  "The manner of ease Sligo took care of New York this afternoon makes one wonder how poorly prepared Leitrim was for that game two weeks ago."
The difference between playing New York in NYC and playing them here is massive! The New York team landed Thursday morning and then travelled by bus to their base in Bundoran. Likewise teams travelling to New York face a massive trip - meet up - commute tonDublin or a Shannon for flight and then get to Woodlands! It's exhausting and would take more than a few days to get over - plus the time difference. Two days isn't enough to get over that!
The pitch and weather are a huge factor as they are for teams going to Gaelic Park! New York looked massively fit for Leitrim but heavy legged against Sligo!
There has been plenty of close calls in recent years and this years squad is the best that New York have had!
I think if New York kept a squad of this standard together they could be difficult to beat for any of the 5 counties in New York but I think it will be a long time before they win a game in Connacht against one of the 5
Final thing I'll add - I'm not sure the New York squad can do a second away game - the lads don't get the same holiday entitlements as we do in ireland and therefore there is a cost to them personally- they are already well behind in terms of expenses! I would be surprised if several of the squad can't make the TC prelim game!
Anyway - I still think Leitrim will do well in TC as long as Andy can get them up for it!

Royalblufill (Meath) - Posts: 412 - 23/04/2023 06:54:04    2472620

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We had more then enough chances to beat NY and just didn't take them. Should have won the game comfortably enough. Sligo took their first goal chance and then just kept NY at arms length which would have happened I feel in our game if we'd scored some of our goal chances. But we didn't.

SeanMacDiarmada (Leitrim) - Posts: 373 - 23/04/2023 07:54:19    2472622

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Replying To Leitrimdivide:  "Yet we beat laois, ran sligo to a point who are now in connacht final. I agree that we've had a poor year but saying lads aren't fit or didn't put in the necessary training is a cheap shot I think. If they were so unfit how did we run up such big scores in some games and get within a score of the two teams who were promoted?? Genuine question BTW"
Laois are a very poor team. Leitrim kicked well that day especially in the first half.

The sligo game was a strange one Sligo were way better on the day six or seven points the better team, we got two scrappy goals and the crowd really got behind the team and we could have stole it.

We don't have a running game, out from Jack Heslin we don't really have someone that can run at a team with pace. I feel that's why Andy has played Ryan O'rourke and Jordan Reynolds at wing back at times.

We kick a lot of ball into Keith Beirne who has been exceptional in 99% of the games this year. Keith Beirne performances have cover over a lot of cracks. Jack Heslin, Pierce Dolan, and Mark Plunket, Paddy Maguire have also performed well. But we have a lot of footballers that aren't inter County standard. That's the reality.

3rdmidfielder (Australia) - Posts: 239 - 23/04/2023 09:00:32    2472629

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Replying To Tacaí Liatroma:  "Following Sligo's dismissal of New York, here's a couple of hypothetical questions:

1. How would Sligo have done over in Gaelic Park if it had been their turn to go over there two weeks ago?

2. Really pushing the what-if boat here, but, following on from Q1, if New York had won that one, how would we have fared today in Carrick against the same New York team that lost to Sligo by 16 points?"
If it was Leitrim playing NY in Carrick I think ye would have won comprehensively. Ye should have had NY beaten by half time in the match a few weeks ago and certainly should have won in normal time had ye taken yer chances.

Sligo would have won in Gaelic Park but possibly narrowly.

MachaireConnacht (Roscommon) - Posts: 641 - 23/04/2023 10:09:43    2472647

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If that game yesterday was in Gaelic Park, I think Sligo would been more clinical with goal chances and win by 5-6 points

If New York had travelled to Carrick,L and with those weather conditions, Leitrim win by 10-12 points

Leitrim have some very good players, the momentum killer not getting promoted, followed by the long trip and failure to kill the game early, a lot of things went against Leitrim. Surprised to see so many dismissive of Taitleann Cup here, I would have though Leitrim could have gone well and possibly aim for at least a Semi final and a day in Croker

As a fellow Connacht minnow, I always like to see Leitrim do well and hope ye can build on what was not a good league campaign.

muscles (Sligo) - Posts: 417 - 23/04/2023 11:20:14    2472656

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Replying To foreveryoung:  "Sligo would win in NY but not by so much; 4-5 points. NY would still win in Carrick, probably by 3-4 points in regular time. NY has a big psychological advantage over Leitrim now, and it's going to be hard for Leitrim to reverse that!"
Leitrim would comfortably beat NY in Carrick. They couldn't beat Leitrim on their own dog of a pitch in 100 mins of football, what insights have you that they'd beat us on a proper pitch in 70 mins?

somewouldargue (Leitrim) - Posts: 52 - 23/04/2023 11:51:24    2472668

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Replying To Royalblufill:  "The difference between playing New York in NYC and playing them here is massive! The New York team landed Thursday morning and then travelled by bus to their base in Bundoran. Likewise teams travelling to New York face a massive trip - meet up - commute tonDublin or a Shannon for flight and then get to Woodlands! It's exhausting and would take more than a few days to get over - plus the time difference. Two days isn't enough to get over that!
The pitch and weather are a huge factor as they are for teams going to Gaelic Park! New York looked massively fit for Leitrim but heavy legged against Sligo!
There has been plenty of close calls in recent years and this years squad is the best that New York have had!
I think if New York kept a squad of this standard together they could be difficult to beat for any of the 5 counties in New York but I think it will be a long time before they win a game in Connacht against one of the 5
Final thing I'll add - I'm not sure the New York squad can do a second away game - the lads don't get the same holiday entitlements as we do in ireland and therefore there is a cost to them personally- they are already well behind in terms of expenses! I would be surprised if several of the squad can't make the TC prelim game!
Anyway - I still think Leitrim will do well in TC as long as Andy can get them up for it!"
That is just it. What is the long term goal of having NY in the competition?

The cost of it is prohibitive and amateur players are giving up their 'vacation' days which in the USA are a pretty grim number to begin with and come and get beaten off the field by a fairly average Sligo side who in turn will be beaten off the field in the final.

They're great lads that do it in fairness but what is the long term thinking in it especially as I think provincial championships are on the way out. Colaaaaaaa.

somewouldargue (Leitrim) - Posts: 52 - 23/04/2023 11:59:47    2472674

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I'm always at a loss to understand how a county such as ourselves can look so disdainfully on the Tailteann Cup.

Wouldn't it be welcomed in Ballinamore and Carrick-on-Shannon with the same enthusiasm as the Sam Maguire is greeted in Tralee or Killarney. Sometimes we have to pinch ourselves to realise our standing in the big scheme.

The reality of it is we eventually finished 29th in the league and as we know the table doesn't lie.

Boxtyeater (Leitrim) - Posts: 674 - 23/04/2023 12:10:49    2472679

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Replying To 3rdmidfielder:  "Laois are a very poor team. Leitrim kicked well that day especially in the first half.

The sligo game was a strange one Sligo were way better on the day six or seven points the better team, we got two scrappy goals and the crowd really got behind the team and we could have stole it.

We don't have a running game, out from Jack Heslin we don't really have someone that can run at a team with pace. I feel that's why Andy has played Ryan O'rourke and Jordan Reynolds at wing back at times.

We kick a lot of ball into Keith Beirne who has been exceptional in 99% of the games this year. Keith Beirne performances have cover over a lot of cracks. Jack Heslin, Pierce Dolan, and Mark Plunket, Paddy Maguire have also performed well. But we have a lot of footballers that aren't inter County standard. That's the reality."
Yes but having players who aren't county standard isn't the same as saying players aren't fit! Or didn't put in the hard yards. Its just lazy analysis to throw those type of comments out

Leitrimdivide (Leitrim) - Posts: 84 - 23/04/2023 13:00:56    2472704

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Replying To Boxtyeater:  "I'm always at a loss to understand how a county such as ourselves can look so disdainfully on the Tailteann Cup.

Wouldn't it be welcomed in Ballinamore and Carrick-on-Shannon with the same enthusiasm as the Sam Maguire is greeted in Tralee or Killarney. Sometimes we have to pinch ourselves to realise our standing in the big scheme.

The reality of it is we eventually finished 29th in the league and as we know the table doesn't lie."
Are the McDonagh or Ring cup winners greeted with bonfires on their return home? Of course not. The close circle of players, officials and family members and diehards derive great satisfaction from winning as they should, theyve trained hard for it. Ask yourself what is more important, a tintin cup final or county semi finals?

Look across the water and you'll see a team in the third or fourth level of English football are treated the same as the top tier in the FA Cup regardless of their league placing.

The GAA have shunted off half the footballing world here into a second tier cup. That is shameful. And what's more our county board were cheerleaders for it.

somewouldargue (Leitrim) - Posts: 52 - 23/04/2023 14:16:32    2472733

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Replying To foreveryoung:  "Sligo would win in NY but not by so much; 4-5 points. NY would still win in Carrick, probably by 3-4 points in regular time. NY has a big psychological advantage over Leitrim now, and it's going to be hard for Leitrim to reverse that!"
What? They couldn't beat us in 90+ minutes of football on their home pitch which is not natural grass, but you think they'd be able to beat us in 70 minutes on unfamiliar terrain after overseas travel and all that that entails, despite the historical difficulties that has provided for numerous teams over the years who came away almost defeated? I acknowledge that it was I who asked the question though so it wouldn't be fair of me to be too critical of opinions I wasn't expecting.

Tacaí Liatroma (Leitrim) - Posts: 947 - 23/04/2023 15:16:45    2472744

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Replying To Leitrimdivide:  "Yes but having players who aren't county standard isn't the same as saying players aren't fit! Or didn't put in the hard yards. Its just lazy analysis to throw those type of comments out"
Fair enough.

3rdmidfielder (Australia) - Posts: 239 - 23/04/2023 15:27:09    2472752

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Replying To somewouldargue:  "I sincerely hope they go on a huge run in the Tintin cup and clean out GAA coffers with the cost of the games. It would give me a great deal of satisfaction. Why not have an Australian or Canadian or continental European team compete also. There's as many Gaels in these places now."
At least London is only a short flight away. I think there's a way to include NY but perhaps it should be an end of season thing in the summer.

Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 697 - 23/04/2023 15:27:57    2472753

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Replying To somewouldargue:  "Are the McDonagh or Ring cup winners greeted with bonfires on their return home? Of course not. The close circle of players, officials and family members and diehards derive great satisfaction from winning as they should, theyve trained hard for it. Ask yourself what is more important, a tintin cup final or county semi finals?

Look across the water and you'll see a team in the third or fourth level of English football are treated the same as the top tier in the FA Cup regardless of their league placing.

The GAA have shunted off half the footballing world here into a second tier cup. That is shameful. And what's more our county board were cheerleaders for it."
I agree and disagree, maybe; think I might agree with the general sentiment, although you look at the hurling structure and the good hurling folk of Leitrim, Sligo etc aren't complaining about not having the right to face Galway every year in the race for Liam. But don't forget, every county starts off with the opportunity of making a provincial final and therefore avoiding the Tailteann Cup, so it's not true to say that half the counties have simply been thrown out into the cold. If they're good enough to be there, they'll be there. Clare took their chance by beating Cork and then Limerick. We couldn't beat New York.

Tacaí Liatroma (Leitrim) - Posts: 947 - 23/04/2023 19:04:49    2472884

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Replying To Tacaí Liatroma:  "I agree and disagree, maybe; think I might agree with the general sentiment, although you look at the hurling structure and the good hurling folk of Leitrim, Sligo etc aren't complaining about not having the right to face Galway every year in the race for Liam. But don't forget, every county starts off with the opportunity of making a provincial final and therefore avoiding the Tailteann Cup, so it's not true to say that half the counties have simply been thrown out into the cold. If they're good enough to be there, they'll be there. Clare took their chance by beating Cork and then Limerick. We couldn't beat New York."
Agree 1000% Clare are miles ahead of us. We r a shambles. We need to have 10 points on new York EVERY time we play dem

Zucker (Leitrim) - Posts: 139 - 23/04/2023 22:30:33    2472998

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Replying To Tacaí Liatroma:  "I agree and disagree, maybe; think I might agree with the general sentiment, although you look at the hurling structure and the good hurling folk of Leitrim, Sligo etc aren't complaining about not having the right to face Galway every year in the race for Liam. But don't forget, every county starts off with the opportunity of making a provincial final and therefore avoiding the Tailteann Cup, so it's not true to say that half the counties have simply been thrown out into the cold. If they're good enough to be there, they'll be there. Clare took their chance by beating Cork and then Limerick. We couldn't beat New York."
Even that is unfair. By times Leitrim would just have one game to win to avoid the tintin cup, Longford for example might have 3, that is not right. They are trying to save the provincial championships but at the same time the league is more important to the later stages of the all Ireland now. There's been threads and threads on here about different structures to a championship but the one we have now is useless and you'd need a mathematical degree to understand it.

somewouldargue (Leitrim) - Posts: 52 - 24/04/2023 11:31:08    2473159

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Replying To Zucker:  "Agree 1000% Clare are miles ahead of us. We r a shambles. We need to have 10 points on new York EVERY time we play dem"
Now that the Connacht final teams have been sorted it is hard to find any good reason for the capitulation against New York other than the one suggested by Powerhouse, namely lack of a professional approach to the fixture and in general. A fisted point in the 5th minute of added time was the difference between Sligo and Leitrim in the final round of the NFL. Next game Leitrim draw V NY after added time and fail to score 4 penalty efforts. Next game Sligo wipe out NY by 16 points and it could have easily been 26. Yes of course NY were on a high after winning their first ever match after 24 attempts and had taken their eye of the ball. I think Andy will make a great manager and will eventually take over his own county, but at the same time I think he is the wrong type of manager for Leitrim right now. Ye need no tough personality like Anthony Cunningham or John Moughan with Emylin as a selector. In the short term it may be better that ye did not progress to the SAM competition, I say that based on the outcome of the Laois game at the weekend. Anyway best of luck in Tailteann .

martinjoe (Mayo) - Posts: 496 - 24/04/2023 16:17:14    2473348

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Replying To martinjoe:  "Now that the Connacht final teams have been sorted it is hard to find any good reason for the capitulation against New York other than the one suggested by Powerhouse, namely lack of a professional approach to the fixture and in general. A fisted point in the 5th minute of added time was the difference between Sligo and Leitrim in the final round of the NFL. Next game Leitrim draw V NY after added time and fail to score 4 penalty efforts. Next game Sligo wipe out NY by 16 points and it could have easily been 26. Yes of course NY were on a high after winning their first ever match after 24 attempts and had taken their eye of the ball. I think Andy will make a great manager and will eventually take over his own county, but at the same time I think he is the wrong type of manager for Leitrim right now. Ye need no tough personality like Anthony Cunningham or John Moughan with Emylin as a selector. In the short term it may be better that ye did not progress to the SAM competition, I say that based on the outcome of the Laois game at the weekend. Anyway best of luck in Tailteann ."
I would leave Emlyn where he is now tbh

sourmilk93 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1113 - 24/04/2023 16:40:33    2473371

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Replying To martinjoe:  "Now that the Connacht final teams have been sorted it is hard to find any good reason for the capitulation against New York other than the one suggested by Powerhouse, namely lack of a professional approach to the fixture and in general. A fisted point in the 5th minute of added time was the difference between Sligo and Leitrim in the final round of the NFL. Next game Leitrim draw V NY after added time and fail to score 4 penalty efforts. Next game Sligo wipe out NY by 16 points and it could have easily been 26. Yes of course NY were on a high after winning their first ever match after 24 attempts and had taken their eye of the ball. I think Andy will make a great manager and will eventually take over his own county, but at the same time I think he is the wrong type of manager for Leitrim right now. Ye need no tough personality like Anthony Cunningham or John Moughan with Emylin as a selector. In the short term it may be better that ye did not progress to the SAM competition, I say that based on the outcome of the Laois game at the weekend. Anyway best of luck in Tailteann ."
Why would you suggest emlyn as a selector? Very little grá for him in this county. Plus he has been a selector with the under 20s for past two years and they've won one game in that time I believe. So we would appreciate it if you stop throwing around silly suggestions. Thanks very much.

Leitrimdivide (Leitrim) - Posts: 84 - 24/04/2023 16:50:58    2473378

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