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Replying To Yondu: "What games did you see? Roscommon scored 1-17, 2-16, 0-24,1-21,1-21 in your last 5 games the types of high scores any team doesn't produce if you are playing defensive putrid rubbish.
What held back Roscommon to my eyes and I'm sure most would agree was a lack of defensive structure, conceded 2-15 to Clare who aren't a high scoring team in the last game highlighted that." Yep.
Few if any defenders on the match day squads and no structure or gameplan to make up for that.
Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1399 - 16/08/2022 16:04:17
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Replying To The_analyser: "Paul Curran was linked with us in the past and TBH a number of local lads would be as good if not better as outright manager but having Jason Sherlock involved in the management in a coaching capacity is different story, Monaghan have already had talks with him.
Attention turns to club championship action this weekend.
Senior
Roscommon Gaels v Elphin - Gaels boosted by the return of a few starters and should pick up their first win against Elphin side with a battle on their hands to avoid relegation - Gaels by 3
Michael Glaveys v Oran - Good win for Glaveys the last day with so many players out most are out again for this match and are up against better opposition - Oran by 4
St Faithleachs v Boyle - Missed opportunity for them to pick up the win or draw against a Clann side that was missing half of their county final team. Potential to be highest scoring game of the weekend and Boyle's firepower is more spread out than Faithleachs - Boyle by 5
Western Gaels v Clann na nGael - A lot will depend on how many players return for Clann. Western Gaels in danger of finding themselves in another relegation fight - Draw
Tulsk v Strokestown - A derby and bragging rights on the line. Tulsk recovering from a bad beating in round 1 and simply don't have the strength in depth of some other clubs. I presume both Comptons will start this weekend and mcGann is in excellent form - Stokestown by 6
St Brigids v Padraig Pearses - Possibility that this could be the county final will we get a bit of shadow boxing here? both know they'll reach the knock out stages regardless of this match and result - Pearses by 2
intermediate
Fuerty v St Croans - Can Kilroy with his current injury situation play in this match having played for Tremane yesterday i'm think not but perhaps with home advantage they'll still get over the line regardless. - Fuerty by 1
Kilbride v Eire Og - Kilbride boosted by the return of Conor Devaney. Can imagine the players and management of Eire Og had plenty of question marks over their 2nd half performance in round 1 and providing they don't nod off 2nd half it should be a straight forward win Eire Og by 5
Creggs v Kilmore - Did well to earn a draw the last day away to Croans, Kilmore was competitive in their defeat against Fuerty and i'd expect same here - Creggs by 2
St Brigids B v St. Dominic's - Not sure if Doyle,Keenan,Lohan i think are still out and all will be needed if they are to win this county title as expected without them they should still win - Doms by 4
St Aidans v Shannon Gaels - losing here will find themselves closer to the tap door. Shannon Gaels seem to have the little bit extra going for them and will need Evan Corcoran on form - Shannon Gaels by 2
Clann na nGael B v Castlerea - Clann will be pleased by their round 1 display that could easily have picked up at least a draw. Castlerea had stroll against Kilbride. I doubt Clann will be able to handle the speed and movement of the McDermottt - Castlerea by 6
Junior A i think wins for St Joseph's,Pearses,Strokestown,Barrys.Ronans and a draw between" A lot will depend on returning players but also the officials. By all accounts the officials gave a fairly good account of themselves over the first weekend of matches but reports that a lot of refs are double jobbing over the weekends as linesmen and referees due to the shortage of refs and have raised some issues about fatigue.
One ref was queried about one game where a current county player allegedly tried to ref it for him.
Refs will be under a lot more scrutiny this weekend and I daresay some will see their chances of a county semi final or final disappear this weekend due to a bad game. I wonder did county board ever consider bringing in outside refs like other counties when there is a shortage. Westmeath are idle this week from football.
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Oran (wouldn't be surprised if a draw either)
Boyle
Clann
Strokestown
Brigids
Fuerty
Eire Og
Creggs
Doms
Shannon gaels
Castlerea
MachaireConnacht (Roscommon) - Posts: 771 - 16/08/2022 16:28:02
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Replying To SmokieRoss: "A lot will depend on returning players but also the officials. By all accounts the officials gave a fairly good account of themselves over the first weekend of matches but reports that a lot of refs are double jobbing over the weekends as linesmen and referees due to the shortage of refs and have raised some issues about fatigue.
One ref was queried about one game where a current county player allegedly tried to ref it for him.
Refs will be under a lot more scrutiny this weekend and I daresay some will see their chances of a county semi final or final disappear this weekend due to a bad game. I wonder did county board ever consider bringing in outside refs like other counties when there is a shortage. Westmeath are idle this week from football." What do you mean "one ref was queried"? Also what do you mean under more scrutiny? From who exactly?
reffingmad (Roscommon) - Posts: 371 - 16/08/2022 21:49:51
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Additional assessors on duty this weekend a ref informs me. One particular issue in a match in the first round was highlighted by chairperson of the referees Committee upon receipt of a complaint from a club involved.
I have sympathy for refs as the pool in Roscommon has decreased significantly this year with a number of refs retiring, involved with teams or unavailable due to injury etc.
Supporters of all clubs tend to forget without refs there are no matches and apparently it was one of the reasons why the senior league this year was curtailed to 5 rounds as opposed to 11 rounds.
SmokieRoss (Roscommon) - Posts: 272 - 17/08/2022 16:53:13
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Predictions for this weekend.
Oran v m glaveys: one would expect oran to win this but I think glaveys will make it difficult and going to glaveys and getting a win is always tough. Having said that, glaveys absentee list is quite high and I would expect oran to shade this one.
Ros gaels v elphin: ros gaels will feel they couldve got something from their first game while elphin lost narrowly to glaveys. Both teams in need of a win and ros gaels should have a bit too much. If rumours are true about connolly being back in the country that would be a huge boost to the gaels.
Faithleachs v boyle: faithleachs will take a lot from their first game after running clann close while boyle were very impressive in beating Western gaels. This game has the potential to be a cracker with quite a lot of inter County forwards set to feature. I would expect boyle to continue their good form with a win here.
Clann v western gaels: think this one could be a banana skin for clann. Western gaels need a win and won't to leave it until their last game against faithleachs. Clann obviously missing a host of regulars and I think Western gaels might sneak this.
Strokestown v tulsk: I can't see anything other than a strokestown win here. Might be tighter than some people are expecting but I think tulsk will struggle to stay up this year. Was impressed with strokestown against brigids and they could be a dark horse in the championship.
Brigids v pearses: tough one to call but I think brigids might just be a small bit ahead of pearses at this early stage.
Steve7843 (Roscommon) - Posts: 13 - 17/08/2022 17:59:19
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Replying To SmokieRoss: "Additional assessors on duty this weekend a ref informs me. One particular issue in a match in the first round was highlighted by chairperson of the referees Committee upon receipt of a complaint from a club involved.
I have sympathy for refs as the pool in Roscommon has decreased significantly this year with a number of refs retiring, involved with teams or unavailable due to injury etc.
Supporters of all clubs tend to forget without refs there are no matches and apparently it was one of the reasons why the senior league this year was curtailed to 5 rounds as opposed to 11 rounds." I've looked into what you have said and I can confirm that there are
1 No additional assessors on duty.
2, the only "complaint" came from a referee who doesn't ref games against another ref.
reffingmad (Roscommon) - Posts: 371 - 18/08/2022 12:53:11
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For something like the 11th year in a row Strokestown are being mentioned as the "dark horses".
They always seem to get stuck in the stable door though!
Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1399 - 18/08/2022 16:10:49
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Replying To reffingmad: "I've looked into what you have said and I can confirm that there are
1 No additional assessors on duty.
2, the only "complaint" came from a referee who doesn't ref games against another ref." Maybe smokieross is a ref and is looking for sympathy. As they say you smoked him out lol
howdareu (USA) - Posts: 220 - 19/08/2022 09:22:26
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Could be one of those unanswerable questions but how did the three clubs from the south of the county get such a grip on the senior football title? You obviously have a good population there being so close to Athlone. But the main town teams have really underachieved in comparison. Castlerea the last team outside the southern three to win it. Ros Gaels have only won the odd title over the past thirty years. Boyle have a shocking record considering there's no competition with hurling but maybe soccer has had an impact. The north of the county is so football mad and always had plenty of county players but the clubs haven't come close in ages.
MachaireConnacht (Roscommon) - Posts: 771 - 19/08/2022 16:21:09
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Replying To MachaireConnacht: "Could be one of those unanswerable questions but how did the three clubs from the south of the county get such a grip on the senior football title? You obviously have a good population there being so close to Athlone. But the main town teams have really underachieved in comparison. Castlerea the last team outside the southern three to win it. Ros Gaels have only won the odd title over the past thirty years. Boyle have a shocking record considering there's no competition with hurling but maybe soccer has had an impact. The north of the county is so football mad and always had plenty of county players but the clubs haven't come close in ages." Population population population. Although it took 3 parish Pearses a long time to break through.
Sad to see Castlerea sunk so low and it's right through the underage grades too.
Boyle has always had soccer to contend with and no large employers etc over the years. It's only in recent years they've had a run at Senior.
Rest of North, East and West Ros hasn't the population to maintain even middling Senior teams.
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Replying To MachaireConnacht: "Could be one of those unanswerable questions but how did the three clubs from the south of the county get such a grip on the senior football title? You obviously have a good population there being so close to Athlone. But the main town teams have really underachieved in comparison. Castlerea the last team outside the southern three to win it. Ros Gaels have only won the odd title over the past thirty years. Boyle have a shocking record considering there's no competition with hurling but maybe soccer has had an impact. The north of the county is so football mad and always had plenty of county players but the clubs haven't come close in ages." Simply a better standard of player being produced down South. The likes of Brigids, Clan and Pearses have dominated underage for decades. Clan lorded the senior chsp in the 80s and only had to turn up at times to win it. Several Connacht titles too. Then Brigids lift the bar by winning a club ALL Ireland and now Pearses winning a Connacht title. Ros Gaels have underachieved in recent times but have lost players going abroad which doesn't help. It may be football mad up North but there is no major tradition of winning up North. Sporadic wins with Kilmore in 83, Castlerea and Strokestown. Let's see can Boyle make the breakthrough this year. They have so often flattered to deceive. I'd be thinking the Fahy cup will be resting somewhere down South for the winter but hey here's hoping a Northern team could win it this year.
moros (Roscommon) - Posts: 1077 - 19/08/2022 18:04:11
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Replying To MachaireConnacht: "Could be one of those unanswerable questions but how did the three clubs from the south of the county get such a grip on the senior football title? You obviously have a good population there being so close to Athlone. But the main town teams have really underachieved in comparison. Castlerea the last team outside the southern three to win it. Ros Gaels have only won the odd title over the past thirty years. Boyle have a shocking record considering there's no competition with hurling but maybe soccer has had an impact. The north of the county is so football mad and always had plenty of county players but the clubs haven't come close in ages." I suppose population and employment locally would be two of the main reasons.
Also maybe to a lesser extent geographically it is more assessable for players based in Dublin or Galway to travel home for training and games.
reffingmad (Roscommon) - Posts: 371 - 19/08/2022 18:11:29
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Replying To MachaireConnacht: "Could be one of those unanswerable questions but how did the three clubs from the south of the county get such a grip on the senior football title? You obviously have a good population there being so close to Athlone. But the main town teams have really underachieved in comparison. Castlerea the last team outside the southern three to win it. Ros Gaels have only won the odd title over the past thirty years. Boyle have a shocking record considering there's no competition with hurling but maybe soccer has had an impact. The north of the county is so football mad and always had plenty of county players but the clubs haven't come close in ages." Resources plus a number of years of good and successful underage teams.
Minor last year, this year and again next year won't have Pearses, Clann, Brigids as winners of the county Div 1 title so a bit of the changing of the guard in the years ahead at senior level?
Boyle seniors in fairness to them have improved from the side that was struggling to get out of intermediate championship. Castlerea find themselves in a similar situation and unlikely to be in the mix for promotion again this year. They had one good minor team a few years ago but will need another 1 or two for them to rise up. Soccer has impact in both Boyle and Castlerea.
An underachieving team in recent years would be Roscommon Gaels as unlike Clann, Brigids, Pearses they didn't make the best use of their underage success at senior level.
The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 3742 - 19/08/2022 18:42:15
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Replying To MachaireConnacht: "Could be one of those unanswerable questions but how did the three clubs from the south of the county get such a grip on the senior football title? You obviously have a good population there being so close to Athlone. But the main town teams have really underachieved in comparison. Castlerea the last team outside the southern three to win it. Ros Gaels have only won the odd title over the past thirty years. Boyle have a shocking record considering there's no competition with hurling but maybe soccer has had an impact. The north of the county is so football mad and always had plenty of county players but the clubs haven't come close in ages." Tis simple enough, both Pearses and Clann are very close to Galway with lads getting to play in school with very talented young Galway lads and it rubs off while the clubs in North Roscommon are close to Mayo.
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Replying To moros: "Simply a better standard of player being produced down South. The likes of Brigids, Clan and Pearses have dominated underage for decades. Clan lorded the senior chsp in the 80s and only had to turn up at times to win it. Several Connacht titles too. Then Brigids lift the bar by winning a club ALL Ireland and now Pearses winning a Connacht title. Ros Gaels have underachieved in recent times but have lost players going abroad which doesn't help. It may be football mad up North but there is no major tradition of winning up North. Sporadic wins with Kilmore in 83, Castlerea and Strokestown. Let's see can Boyle make the breakthrough this year. They have so often flattered to deceive. I'd be thinking the Fahy cup will be resting somewhere down South for the winter but hey here's hoping a Northern team could win it this year." Boyle was traditionally seen as a soccer town. Boyle haven't won the senior football championship in Roscommon since 1927. However Boyle gaa club seems to be going really well at the moment and the test for the senior team will be to get past that semi final hurdle at which they've fallen in recent years. Castlerea St. Kevin's and Roscommon gaels are underachieving. They have both produced great teams in the past with of course Ros gaels getting to the All Ireland club Final in 1976. Castlerea were very strong in the early 1970s with star county players like Harry Keegan and Mickey Freyne. The Southern clubs like Brigids and Pearses are near big towns but they are rural based clubs. These clubs seem to have excellent underage structures and are probably an example to the rest of Roscommon in terms of club development. We want strong clubs throughout our county to deliver good players for the county team which we all want to see back winning matches in Croke Park 40 years on.
endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2154 - 20/08/2022 11:11:19
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Replying To PancakeWard: "Tis simple enough, both Pearses and Clann are very close to Galway with lads getting to play in school with very talented young Galway lads and it rubs off while the clubs in North Roscommon are close to Mayo." Indeed, those powerhouses of Galway football Ballinasloe, Ahascragh and Ballygar....
MachaireConnacht (Roscommon) - Posts: 771 - 20/08/2022 12:14:47
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Replying To PancakeWard: "Tis simple enough, both Pearses and Clann are very close to Galway with lads getting to play in school with very talented young Galway lads and it rubs off while the clubs in North Roscommon are close to Mayo." Ha ha. I like it. But of course there is absolutely no truth in it. In fact football level in the parts of galway bordering ros are at an all time low No current senior club on border and ballinasloe struggling in junior. Not fully familiar witth mayo geography but aghamore and ballghdereen are 2 that would probably beat the pick of east galway.
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I remember a stage there where you had a bit of a mixing up of things with Kilbride and Strokestown winning and Elphin and Western Gaels getting to finals, Castlerea in the mix that time as well. It would be great for football in the county to see a new winner (I know Perases were but it was still down that area and probably inevitable given the contagious talent oozing over the River Suck from Ballinasloe...). Boyle definitely have the players at the moment but I can't see them winning this year, I hope I'm wrong.
Interesting point on accessibility, all of those three clubs are on the motorway or the old N6 for lads commuting from Dublin or Galway.
MachaireConnacht (Roscommon) - Posts: 771 - 20/08/2022 12:34:27
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Replying To MachaireConnacht: "I remember a stage there where you had a bit of a mixing up of things with Kilbride and Strokestown winning and Elphin and Western Gaels getting to finals, Castlerea in the mix that time as well. It would be great for football in the county to see a new winner (I know Perases were but it was still down that area and probably inevitable given the contagious talent oozing over the River Suck from Ballinasloe...). Boyle definitely have the players at the moment but I can't see them winning this year, I hope I'm wrong.
Interesting point on accessibility, all of those three clubs are on the motorway or the old N6 for lads commuting from Dublin or Galway." Contagious talent oozing over the River Suck from Ballinasloe..we you cop yourself on, this sort of statement is laughable! LMAO!
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