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Replying To MachaireConnacht:  "I would definitely agree with him on the last 10 but over 20 years? I think Mike Ryan, Francie Grehan and John Whyte among a few others would disagree on ability to tackle or put in hits."
Is this the same Kevin McStay who managed Ros for 3 seasons and did nothing about improving Ros defender's tackling skills?
As for AC I hope he makes his decision quickly.
If he wants to stay I wonder will it be rubber stamped by clubs or he who pays the piper?
He didn't cover himself in glory over the last few weeks mind you.

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 371 - 15/06/2022 19:09:57    2425238

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Replying To howdareu:  "I would agree with that. The county board needs to act fast and appoint someone with calibration and not an inexperienced guy! Ye always had a good underage system and structures in place though. What has happened to that? Are the coaches not as good?"
A man who knows Roscommon football inside out and has managerial experience at club level is Frankie Dolan. He was a leader on the field during the 2000's. Tasted All ireland success with St Bridgets. With a good backroom team with him he would be a worthy option

Jack L (None) - Posts: 2918 - 15/06/2022 19:39:39    2425241

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The best championship results Roscommon got under McStay and Cunningham was by defending properly, putting in the hits making themselves harder to score against for example the 2017 Connacht final and drawn quarter final against Mayo,2019 against Mayo and Galway.

After playing a rather dull style of play last year the decision was made to play more attacking this year. Last five games alone showcased that style as 1-17,2-16,0-23,1-20 and 1-20 was scored, impressive and consistent scoring however it left the door open at the other end and even Clare who aren't a high scoring team managed to scored 2-15 at the weekend.

Can Cunningham or whoever is manager next year find the right balance between defence and attack? preparation in Division 1 is a good place to find out.

Gaa_lover (USA) - Posts: 2902 - 15/06/2022 20:48:32    2425252

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Replying To eoinog:  "I didn't know that A.C had stepped down. Who out there is more experienced ? He brought a club to an All Ireland final and brought a county team to All Ireland hurling final. Throw in a few titles with Roscommon including a Connacht title. The list of more experienced than that cv will be very small. Did you read Kevin Mc Stays piece. Going back over 20 years Roscommon defenders can't tackle or put in the hits !!!"
You're a great fan of Anthony Cunningham Eoinog. Would you like to see him managing Sligo. Best of luck v Cavan.

endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 1765 - 15/06/2022 21:40:13    2425257

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Replying To howdareu:  "There are people "out there" believe it or not that are more experienced and more successful too. To mention two here would be Jim Gavin and Jim McGuinness. Stephen Rochford could be worth an approach. He got mayo to two all Ireland finals even though they didn't win them just like AC."
I would rather Stephen Hawking than Stephen Rochford. He won nothing not even a Provincial with Mayo and Donegal have regressed alarmingly since he joined that coaching ticket.

sourmilk93 (Roscommon) - Posts: 981 - 16/06/2022 11:10:28    2425313

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Replying To sourmilk93:  "I would rather Stephen Hawking than Stephen Rochford. He won nothing not even a Provincial with Mayo and Donegal have regressed alarmingly since he joined that coaching ticket."
That is true I suppose but still brought Mayo closer to Dublin than most other teams

howdareu (USA) - Posts: 184 - 16/06/2022 12:28:29    2425352

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Replying To sourmilk93:  "I would rather Stephen Hawking than Stephen Rochford. He won nothing not even a Provincial with Mayo and Donegal have regressed alarmingly since he joined that coaching ticket."
That is true I suppose but still brought Mayo closer to Dublin than most other teams

howdareu (USA) - Posts: 184 - 16/06/2022 12:29:25    2425354

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Replying To howdareu:  "That is true I suppose but still brought Mayo closer to Dublin than most other teams"
Not for me anyway. Others will disagree but I think he was extremely lucky with Mayo who were the best team in the country while he was manager. He cost them an All Ireland with a goalkeeping change IMO and as i said won no silverware.
Anyway Cunningham is still manager and pointless and disrespectful to have these talks until it becomes clearer what will happen. No obvious candidate that's for sure.

sourmilk93 (Roscommon) - Posts: 981 - 16/06/2022 12:58:07    2425366

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Replying To sourmilk93:  "Not for me anyway. Others will disagree but I think he was extremely lucky with Mayo who were the best team in the country while he was manager. He cost them an All Ireland with a goalkeeping change IMO and as i said won no silverware.
Anyway Cunningham is still manager and pointless and disrespectful to have these talks until it becomes clearer what will happen. No obvious candidate that's for sure."
Mayo weren't the best team in the country when Rochford was their Manager. Dublin were. Mayo didn't win Connacht under Rochford. He seemed to time and prime Mayo to peak for the All Ireland series and they came very close to Dublin in Finals under him. One point replay defeat and one point defeat. The lack of an obvious alternative to Cunningham shouldn't delay his departure. Change is needed in Roscommon. We're going nowhere under current management.

endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 1765 - 16/06/2022 19:22:44    2425508

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Replying To sourmilk93:  "Not for me anyway. Others will disagree but I think he was extremely lucky with Mayo who were the best team in the country while he was manager. He cost them an All Ireland with a goalkeeping change IMO and as i said won no silverware.
Anyway Cunningham is still manager and pointless and disrespectful to have these talks until it becomes clearer what will happen. No obvious candidate that's for sure."
Only one piece of silverware counts. Too often we won Connacht and were flat after that. Rochford made loads of mistakes, got plenty right too. In Mayo we always highlight the negatives, Larry Finnerty rememembered for the goal he missed in '89, the goal he scored is forgotten. Difficult to progress and learn from mistakes if we don't see areas to improve and what needs to be done to imrove them. Stephen wasn't the Donegal head coach. He has loads to offer. And shoving it in the face of the Mayo county board if he was Roscommon manager must be tempting for him. Not sure though that he would be a popular choice in Roscommon.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 6764 - 17/06/2022 10:50:14    2425569

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AC is still manager until we hear otherwise.
If he goes/is let go choices are limited.
No one of note in the County, any outsider of any use us with a team already leaving spoofers and bluffers.
Add in that we'll be seen as a team in decline....
There us one Roscommon man managing a neighbouring County but kissing another County's badge might rule him out. Lol as they say.

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 371 - 17/06/2022 11:17:57    2425580

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Replying To endgame:  "You're a great fan of Anthony Cunningham Eoinog. Would you like to see him managing Sligo. Best of luck v Cavan."
Despite all his critics, would Clare have got in for those soft scores at the end if Poacher was still part of backroom team

Jack L (None) - Posts: 2918 - 17/06/2022 11:56:04    2425607

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Replying To endgame:  "Mayo weren't the best team in the country when Rochford was their Manager. Dublin were. Mayo didn't win Connacht under Rochford. He seemed to time and prime Mayo to peak for the All Ireland series and they came very close to Dublin in Finals under him. One point replay defeat and one point defeat. The lack of an obvious alternative to Cunningham shouldn't delay his departure. Change is needed in Roscommon. We're going nowhere under current management."
Prime to peak? From what i seen he sailed Mayo close to the wind in nearly every game he managed.. Was regularly caught out in Connacht v Galway and was eventually caught out in the AI series by Kildare in 2018.

In the 2016 drawn final Dublin was dreadful there for the taking and his decision to drop his all star keeper for the replay proved costly.

Gaa_lover (USA) - Posts: 2902 - 17/06/2022 13:31:35    2425630

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Replying To endgame:  "You're a great fan of Anthony Cunningham Eoinog. Would you like to see him managing Sligo. Best of luck v Cavan."
Not really a great fan of Anthony. I just hate this manager bashing that's very popular as soon as a team losses a game. No body has said yet that maybe that's the level Roscommon are at and they don't have the players to go to the next leve. I am a huge fan of Colm Collins. Eight years in the job and constantly punching above their weight They have a really good chance of winning next week and making the semi final.l.

eoinog (Sligo) - Posts: 1075 - 18/06/2022 11:49:02    2425730

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Replying To eoinog:  "Not really a great fan of Anthony. I just hate this manager bashing that's very popular as soon as a team losses a game. No body has said yet that maybe that's the level Roscommon are at and they don't have the players to go to the next leve. I am a huge fan of Colm Collins. Eight years in the job and constantly punching above their weight They have a really good chance of winning next week and making the semi final.l."
Some of us on here have wanted Anthony gone for some time. Not just last Saturday evening after what was probably the most disastrous collapse in the history of Roscommon football. Clare avoided Dublin or Kerry in the draw and got Derry who Roscommon would have wanted. I'd still expect Derry to have too much. This is a talented generation of Roscommon footballers. They were very successful at underage. Very disappointing but not surprising to hear Jim McGuinness describe how the Roscommon Defence is not being properly coached and how Niall Daly wasn't positioned correctly for his defensive role in Salthill. McGuinness has done it as a Manager at the highest level. I'd like to see these Roscommon players have a chance under a different Manager while they're still in their prime. Their time will have passed in a few more years.

endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 1765 - 18/06/2022 13:18:09    2425747

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Replying To endgame:  "Some of us on here have wanted Anthony gone for some time. Not just last Saturday evening after what was probably the most disastrous collapse in the history of Roscommon football. Clare avoided Dublin or Kerry in the draw and got Derry who Roscommon would have wanted. I'd still expect Derry to have too much. This is a talented generation of Roscommon footballers. They were very successful at underage. Very disappointing but not surprising to hear Jim McGuinness describe how the Roscommon Defence is not being properly coached and how Niall Daly wasn't positioned correctly for his defensive role in Salthill. McGuinness has done it as a Manager at the highest level. I'd like to see these Roscommon players have a chance under a different Manager while they're still in their prime. Their time will have passed in a few more years."
Defense is where we have problems now and not helped with loss of Mullooly and McInery, great if either were back next year. Compton would be a good addition too for midfield. Think we have good defenders in Hugh's, Stack, Daly's etc so putting a good defensive system in place would be good

roscommon1944 (Roscommon) - Posts: 264 - 18/06/2022 14:37:23    2425766

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Replying To eoinog:  "Not really a great fan of Anthony. I just hate this manager bashing that's very popular as soon as a team losses a game. No body has said yet that maybe that's the level Roscommon are at and they don't have the players to go to the next leve. I am a huge fan of Colm Collins. Eight years in the job and constantly punching above their weight They have a really good chance of winning next week and making the semi final.l."
Not sure about a really good chance of making a semi final against such organised Derry however Collins deserves great credit took over a Clare side that was mid table division 4 team and has transformed them into established Div 2 team they have even pushed for promotion a few times to Div 1 including last year in the play off losing out by just three points to Mayo. Reaching the last 8 twice another example of punching above their weight.

On Roscommon i remarked on here after the Connacht final that they were let down by what can be described by social distancing defending and i also said two weeks to fix those defensive issues would not be enough time and so it proved. That's not down to player quality but a lack of structure and system to the team. To score 1-17, 2-16 in their last two games and lose both is a ridiculous stat to close the season out.

If Cunningham stays or someone new is appointed it's obvious what needs to be fixed. No amount of bashing is going to change the fact that the Roscommon county board will decide and in their minds promotion back to Division 1 may be enough or going to have patience like Armagh have done with McGeeney.

Yondu (UK) - Posts: 672 - 18/06/2022 14:56:22    2425770

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Replying To endgame:  "Some of us on here have wanted Anthony gone for some time. Not just last Saturday evening after what was probably the most disastrous collapse in the history of Roscommon football. Clare avoided Dublin or Kerry in the draw and got Derry who Roscommon would have wanted. I'd still expect Derry to have too much. This is a talented generation of Roscommon footballers. They were very successful at underage. Very disappointing but not surprising to hear Jim McGuinness describe how the Roscommon Defence is not being properly coached and how Niall Daly wasn't positioned correctly for his defensive role in Salthill. McGuinness has done it as a Manager at the highest level. I'd like to see these Roscommon players have a chance under a different Manager while they're still in their prime. Their time will have passed in a few more years."
Unfortunately the 1980 to Kerry or the 91 semi to Meath will probably top the Rossie charts of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Undoubtedly AC has to take responsibility for the defensive situation but this group of players have played under 3 or 4 management regimes now. In fairness to Cunningham he seems to be the only one that tried to bring in a high profile defensive coach. Lack of natural backs is an issue. Who played on the full back line for those U21 teams that lost to the Dubs?

MachaireConnacht (Roscommon) - Posts: 225 - 18/06/2022 17:01:02    2425825

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Replying To MachaireConnacht:  "Unfortunately the 1980 to Kerry or the 91 semi to Meath will probably top the Rossie charts of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Undoubtedly AC has to take responsibility for the defensive situation but this group of players have played under 3 or 4 management regimes now. In fairness to Cunningham he seems to be the only one that tried to bring in a high profile defensive coach. Lack of natural backs is an issue. Who played on the full back line for those U21 teams that lost to the Dubs?"
2012 C Cafferky, C Duignan and David Murray
2014 C Kenny, Seán Mullooly David Murray

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 371 - 18/06/2022 17:31:33    2425837

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Replying To MachaireConnacht:  "Unfortunately the 1980 to Kerry or the 91 semi to Meath will probably top the Rossie charts of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. Undoubtedly AC has to take responsibility for the defensive situation but this group of players have played under 3 or 4 management regimes now. In fairness to Cunningham he seems to be the only one that tried to bring in a high profile defensive coach. Lack of natural backs is an issue. Who played on the full back line for those U21 teams that lost to the Dubs?"
1991 was the worst for me also. Roscommon side at their peak and i would have fancied our chances in AI final.

Yes different management regimes and the same defensive issues halting championship progress since 2015. Nigel Dineen got plenty of stick here and elsewhere also with the U21s for not having his teams set up right in defence but that wasn't exposed until the AI finals against star studded Dublin teams.

The problem is a lack of system to have us defending collectively better even All star natural backs would struggle in the way we leave defenders exposed. A top quality defence/tackling coach is needed and i hope once he's brought in that our local journalists and supporters have a bit more patience and understanding, if short term we have to endure some dour matches it will be worth it long term to have a side that defends as a team properly.

The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 3202 - 18/06/2022 19:16:35    2425871

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