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Replying To JuniorB_14: "Is it time to revamp the Junior championship? It looks like the second teams are getting stronger each year. Splitting it into 2 groups, with first teams on one side and second teams on the other. With the top 2 teams going into the semi final. Might give the first teams a better chance. Just throwing it out there as there will be 6 first teams in junior next year." Do you want to give them a better chance or improve them, no point having them in a separate group if they aren't good enough either after getting to a semi final, they'll get beaten at some stage. A split league with less games probably cost them this year, you can't beat games for improving teams of any grade, first team, second team, third team, especially a first team that's junior as you probably struggle for numbers as it is & training will only do so much.
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Replying To GAA-NUT-ish: "Do you want to give them a better chance or improve them, no point having them in a separate group if they aren't good enough either after getting to a semi final, they'll get beaten at some stage. A split league with less games probably cost them this year, you can't beat games for improving teams of any grade, first team, second team, third team, especially a first team that's junior as you probably struggle for numbers as it is & training will only do so much." Give them a better chance, as most second teams are stronger in the first few group games before they lose a few to to the first team. The first teams would be getting 5 games in the group instead of 3.
JuniorB_14 (Roscommon) - Posts: 14 - 18/10/2021 18:44:00
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Any word on Cunningham's back room team for next year?
dave1988 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1055 - 19/10/2021 11:43:11
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Replying To JuniorB_14: "Give them a better chance, as most second teams are stronger in the first few group games before they lose a few to to the first team. The first teams would be getting 5 games in the group instead of 3." Its not a bad shout, over the last number of years the Semi Finals tend to have 3 or 4 B teams. In your proposal, even if both first teams were to lose the semi final, they could play off to see who gets into Connacht?
Much like the discussion in our inter county game about restructuring the championships, I think our own need to change. I preferred the most recent format of 2 groups of 6 to what we have currently, why we reverted back to 3 groups of 4 I do not know.
There is a big discrepancy to me between the top teams and bottom of senior, and the same in intermediate. The top teams in Intermediate are more on a par with those at the bottom end of spectrum in senior than people realise.
Maybe I'm talking bull but I think there is a worthwhile conversation to be had. Should B teams have their own championship maybe? Would it help the likes of the Joes, Ballinameen or even Creggs if they weren't being hammered by B teams? It was a bit embarrassing for Creggs to lose to Clann B by the scoreline they did I'm sure
ClubNo1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 29 - 19/10/2021 12:16:19
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Replying To The_analyser: "Congrats to Athleague on retaining the county hurling title. Tremane certainly took the game to them especially the excellent Niall Kilroy with a personal tally of 0-12 and lead by a point at half time but Athleague really stepped up 2nd half whereby their experience of playing in the last 3 final shone through.
Be interesting to see how they fare in Connacht championship now." Roscommon champions to get their annual pasting from Tooreen.
GerBo (Roscommon) - Posts: 79 - 19/10/2021 14:19:59
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Replying To ClubNo1: "Its not a bad shout, over the last number of years the Semi Finals tend to have 3 or 4 B teams. In your proposal, even if both first teams were to lose the semi final, they could play off to see who gets into Connacht?
Much like the discussion in our inter county game about restructuring the championships, I think our own need to change. I preferred the most recent format of 2 groups of 6 to what we have currently, why we reverted back to 3 groups of 4 I do not know.
There is a big discrepancy to me between the top teams and bottom of senior, and the same in intermediate. The top teams in Intermediate are more on a par with those at the bottom end of spectrum in senior than people realise.
Maybe I'm talking bull but I think there is a worthwhile conversation to be had. Should B teams have their own championship maybe? Would it help the likes of the Joes, Ballinameen or even Creggs if they weren't being hammered by B teams? It was a bit embarrassing for Creggs to lose to Clann B by the scoreline they did I'm sure" A stand alone competition for 5 or 6 teams isn't going to bring anyone on. If those teams actually regress nobody will notice as they are only playing themselves. Also many players make their name playing junior before breaking into the first team (intermediate/senior) & you are taking that opportunity away form them also.
I think the reason to have the three groups was to show some sort of respect to the competition to play it the same way as the senior & intermediate.
Don't take this up the wrong way but it's a little condescending to say help them from being hammered, that's not a reason to change it up, maybe they need to get their house in order, why bring everyone down instead of trying to bring them up. Maybe there was hammerings as those teams are more Intermediate standard than Junior standard.
GAA-NUT-ish (Roscommon) - Posts: 9 - 19/10/2021 14:57:31
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Replying To GAA-NUT-ish: "A stand alone competition for 5 or 6 teams isn't going to bring anyone on. If those teams actually regress nobody will notice as they are only playing themselves. Also many players make their name playing junior before breaking into the first team (intermediate/senior) & you are taking that opportunity away form them also.
I think the reason to have the three groups was to show some sort of respect to the competition to play it the same way as the senior & intermediate.
Don't take this up the wrong way but it's a little condescending to say help them from being hammered, that's not a reason to change it up, maybe they need to get their house in order, why bring everyone down instead of trying to bring them up. Maybe there was hammerings as those teams are more Intermediate standard than Junior standard." Well I didn't mean to have a championship of just 5 or 6 teams I meant restructure the lot to improve the standard of football for everyone in all regions of the county.
How would it be taking that opportunity away? They would still have games and training to showcase their talent to the 1st team management.
And I meant when all championships went from 2 groups of 6 to 3 groups 4, they all changed at the same time. 2 groups of 6 was better in senior and intermediate in my mind.
Is it not condescending to say the teams I mentioned need to get their house in order? Creggs have been improving every year for the last few years but its not exactly helpful when Clann B come along and hammer them is it?
ClubNo1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 29 - 19/10/2021 15:34:25
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Replying To ClubNo1: "Its not a bad shout, over the last number of years the Semi Finals tend to have 3 or 4 B teams. In your proposal, even if both first teams were to lose the semi final, they could play off to see who gets into Connacht?
Much like the discussion in our inter county game about restructuring the championships, I think our own need to change. I preferred the most recent format of 2 groups of 6 to what we have currently, why we reverted back to 3 groups of 4 I do not know.
There is a big discrepancy to me between the top teams and bottom of senior, and the same in intermediate. The top teams in Intermediate are more on a par with those at the bottom end of spectrum in senior than people realise.
Maybe I'm talking bull but I think there is a worthwhile conversation to be had. Should B teams have their own championship maybe? Would it help the likes of the Joes, Ballinameen or even Creggs if they weren't being hammered by B teams? It was a bit embarrassing for Creggs to lose to Clann B by the scoreline they did I'm sure" Realistically a B team only championship is going to end up being a Clann Brigids final most years barring a shock.
Don't think it's the right way to go about it. Also, is that fair on stronger B teams? Clann got to an Intermediate semi final this year, don't see why they should be punished for being better than some first teams. Brigids would have done well in Intermediate this year too giving how close the 2020 Junior Final was.
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Replying To Ros13: "Realistically a B team only championship is going to end up being a Clann Brigids final most years barring a shock.
Don't think it's the right way to go about it. Also, is that fair on stronger B teams? Clann got to an Intermediate semi final this year, don't see why they should be punished for being better than some first teams. Brigids would have done well in Intermediate this year too giving how close the 2020 Junior Final was." I 100% take your point, and that's the other side of it, your right, but the junior championship final as is over the last few years when possible has been clann and brigids anyway.
I'm just thinking of other smaller regions who would have previously competed and won junior championships. Realistically are any of the 6 first teams going to win it next year? Probably not.
So to me, maybe I'm being biased to the small region, its not their fault their numbers are down due emigration/job opportunities etc. Should they not have a chance of winning a championship instead of seeing brigids or clann winning 2 in a year?
Just thought it was a conversation worth having is all
ClubNo1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 29 - 19/10/2021 16:50:42
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Replying To GerBo: "Roscommon champions to get their annual pasting from Tooreen." Lost by 5 to Tooreen in their last Connacht meeting. The Mayo lads are obviously strong as was good enough to recently win Connacht and give a good account of themselves in the AI series.
Looking forward to Sundays intermediate football final, both sides are free scoring with good forwards with a keen eye for goals and don't put a big focus on defense so it should be a high scoring game so long as the weather doesn't ruin the contest.
Can't call it, extra time is possible I just hope another intermediate final isn't decided on a penalty shoot out.
The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 3755 - 19/10/2021 17:03:35
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Was really looking forward to that intermediate final between two good footballing sides who scored freely throughout that championship.
What we got was truly dreadful cagey, scrappy contest between two sides that was more afraid of losing than winning. Faithleachs did in the end win via extra time and a goal sealed that victory but the final whistle was the highlight for any neutral like myself watching.
Anyway congrats to Faithleachs, their objective of gaining promotion back to senior has been achieved, not sure what effort they'll put into the Connacht championship but best of luck to them. As for Dominics that's another intermediate final defeat for them, they'll just have to keep at it like Oran did after many disappointments.
The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 3755 - 24/10/2021 19:14:07
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"Looking forward to Sundays intermediate football final, both sides are free scoring with good forwards with a keen eye for goals and don't put a big focus on defense so it should be a high scoring game so long as the weather doesn't ruin the contest."
The weather can't be completely blamed for 1 of the worst games of football I ever seen.
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Replying To OhtobeARossie: "The_analyser.
"Looking forward to Sundays intermediate football final, both sides are free scoring with good forwards with a keen eye for goals and don't put a big focus on defense so it should be a high scoring game so long as the weather doesn't ruin the contest."
The weather can't be completely blamed for 1 of the worst games of football I ever seen." Or ever saw. Congratulations Faithleach's.
endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2163 - 24/10/2021 20:11:22
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Replying To OhtobeARossie: "The_analyser.
"Looking forward to Sundays intermediate football final, both sides are free scoring with good forwards with a keen eye for goals and don't put a big focus on defense so it should be a high scoring game so long as the weather doesn't ruin the contest."
The weather can't be completely blamed for 1 of the worst games of football I ever seen." In fairness to @TheAnalyser he was right in what he said, both were free scoring in the championship to date. Conditions and pitch didn't help matters but game was a poor cagey affair
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I admit I got that wrong and I thought Doms were well placed at half time . A poor game due to underfoot conditions and bizarre calls . The ending was really shameful especially for all the young supporters there . Doms really lost the plot and their goalie running a full fifty yards to re start a fight. 2 Doms players sent to the line and a black card . Horrendous ending .
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Replying To moros: "I admit I got that wrong and I thought Doms were well placed at half time . A poor game due to underfoot conditions and bizarre calls . The ending was really shameful especially for all the young supporters there . Doms really lost the plot and their goalie running a full fifty yards to re start a fight. 2 Doms players sent to the line and a black card . Horrendous ending ." Brutal Ref caused all the trouble and ruined what could have been a very good match between two very good committed teams
roses (Roscommon) - Posts: 26 - 25/10/2021 11:40:22
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Yesterday final won't live long the memory though it shouldn't taint what was a good and enjoyable Intermediate championship.
My Intermediate championship team of the year
Mark Miley (St Dominics) moment of madness yesterday but was the stand out keeper at this grade making a number of top drawer saves.
Karl Nerney (St Faithleachs) played his part in a solid defensive showing through out this campaign
Mickey Cox (St Faithleachs) best full back on display I thought, good awareness and positioning
Kieran Connaughton (Clann na nGael) linked defence to attack well and one of Clanns stand out players as they reached semi final to the surprise for many.
Jack Lohan (St Dominics) this is his natural position I feel but played the majority of the championship in midfield and performed well, a bright future ahead for the county U20 player.
David Flynn (Clann na nGael) still good enough to be featuring for their A team, shows a lot of leadership, drives team on and sets a lot of attacks going.
Eoin McCormack (St Dominics) good defender and reader of the game with the ability to set his side on the front foot and very consistent championship for him
Tom Appleby (St Dominics) good championship he had and one of the most improved footballers at this grade, clearly injured yesterday and had to be taken off.
David Rooney (St Faithleachs) not his natural position but was arguably one of the best performers of this championship and chipped in with 15 points from that position.
Jonathan Hester (Castlerea) played in different position and very versatile footballer, impressive in all the Castlerea games I watched.
Darren Donnelly (St Dominics) a huge loss yesterday due to illness, scored 8-17 in the 5 games coming into this final. Last year I think he scored 6 goals. One Dominics goal could have proved the difference yesterday and Darren playing could have swung that contest.
Ciaran Murtagh (St Faithleachs) few better team players or ones that provide more work rate. Creates so many scoring opportunities for his teammates and still scored 0-20 himself.
Adam McDermott (Castlerea) just turned 19 a few weeks ago I hope both club and county go all out to make sure this lad reaches his true potential. Scorer of 6-18 in the Championship and all the more impressive when you consider he was double and trebled marked at times.
Conor Cox (Eire Og) back to his 2019 form that had the national media talking, hopefully he can continue this form into 2022. Top scorer in this championship from just 4 games with 2-41
Diarmuid Murtagh (St Faithleachs) pulled his side out of a number of sticky situations, he probably displayed the best individual display of the championship in the extra time quarter final win over Fuerty
Others that impressed me and was considering, Niall Kilroy, Connell Kennelly, Kevin Farrell, Daire Keenan, Brendan O'Meara,, Darren Gately, Aengus Lyons, Denis Barron to name but a few.
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Replying To The_analyser: "Yesterday final won't live long the memory though it shouldn't taint what was a good and enjoyable Intermediate championship.
My Intermediate championship team of the year
Mark Miley (St Dominics) moment of madness yesterday but was the stand out keeper at this grade making a number of top drawer saves.
Karl Nerney (St Faithleachs) played his part in a solid defensive showing through out this campaign
Mickey Cox (St Faithleachs) best full back on display I thought, good awareness and positioning
Kieran Connaughton (Clann na nGael) linked defence to attack well and one of Clanns stand out players as they reached semi final to the surprise for many.
Jack Lohan (St Dominics) this is his natural position I feel but played the majority of the championship in midfield and performed well, a bright future ahead for the county U20 player.
David Flynn (Clann na nGael) still good enough to be featuring for their A team, shows a lot of leadership, drives team on and sets a lot of attacks going.
Eoin McCormack (St Dominics) good defender and reader of the game with the ability to set his side on the front foot and very consistent championship for him
Tom Appleby (St Dominics) good championship he had and one of the most improved footballers at this grade, clearly injured yesterday and had to be taken off.
David Rooney (St Faithleachs) not his natural position but was arguably one of the best performers of this championship and chipped in with 15 points from that position.
Jonathan Hester (Castlerea) played in different position and very versatile footballer, impressive in all the Castlerea games I watched.
Darren Donnelly (St Dominics) a huge loss yesterday due to illness, scored 8-17 in the 5 games coming into this final. Last year I think he scored 6 goals. One Dominics goal could have proved the difference yesterday and Darren playing could have swung that contest.
Ciaran Murtagh (St Faithleachs) few better team players or ones that provide more work rate. Creates so many scoring opportunities for his teammates and still scored 0-20 himself.
Adam McDermott (Castlerea) just turned 19 a few weeks ago I hope both club and county go all out to make sure this lad reaches his true potential. Scorer of 6-18 in the Championship and all the more impressive when you consider he was double and trebled marked at times.
Conor Cox (Eire Og) back to his 2019 form that had the national media talking, hopefully he can continue this form into 2022. Top scorer in this championship from just 4 games with 2-41
Diarmuid Murtagh (St Faithleachs) pulled his side out of a number of sticky situations, he probably displayed the best individual display of the championship in the extra time quarter final win over Fuerty
Others that impressed me and was considering, Niall Kilroy, Connell Kennelly, Kevin Farrell, Daire Keenan, Brendan O'Meara,, Darren Gately, Aengus Lyons, Denis Barron to name but a few." Won't disagree on alot of what you said above but Darren Nerney from Faithleachs was one of the best backs at intermediate level this year and deserves inclusion
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poor display on Sunday for Intermediate final I thought, maybe due to poor weather conditions, could not pick many players out of this game who looked intercounty standard, Number 23 for St Dom's believe was Doyle, he looks a good prospect. with Compton, Nolan & Rourke could have more competition in this area for Ros
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Replying To roscommon1944: "poor display on Sunday for Intermediate final I thought, maybe due to poor weather conditions, could not pick many players out of this game who looked intercounty standard, Number 23 for St Dom's believe was Doyle, he looks a good prospect. with Compton, Nolan & Rourke could have more competition in this area for Ros" Number 23 Keith Doyle had a very poor game. (not match fit). Eoin Mc Cormack the standout player on the field had Ciaran Murtagh in his pocket for the whole game.
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