Just caught the FBD final on YouTube as I wasn't able to see it live. A head scratcher of a performance to say the least. The amount of sideways passing was alarming. At one stage in the second half about 58th and 59th minute Ross have the ball between midfield and Mayo 45 and proceed to move the ball over and across the pitch and end up back in the same place. Baffling stuff.
I thought Conor Carroll and Robbie Dolan were Roscommon's best players over the 78 mins. Couldn't fathom out why they brought Conor Carroll up to take the free from ground in first half. Both teams struggled with their shooting. Mayo left at least 3 goals behind while we didn't manufacture any goal chance. Conor Cox showed glimpses as did Donie Smith. Cian Glennon did okay in spots. Keith Doyle a couple of good moments but was totally exposed at midfield for pace hence the reason they switched him into forward line. Adam McDermott got 3 chances when he came on, 1 hit post, 1 blocked and 1 wide..its a different standard to u20 as a lot of our players are going to find out which is a natural progression. How many will be good enough or have the hunger for senior remains to be seen. I wouldn't expect huge numbers to be honest.
Tyrone next week will be a tough ask amd Ross will do well to get anything out of the match. I'd be happy if the match is competitive for the majority of it and build on that. Good to see Ciaran Murtagh and Ruaidhri Fallon in action last night but noth looked way off pace which is understandable.
We have a lot of players again of the one mould. Medium height amd light. Mayo even their new players look far more conditioned.
I have reservations about our management and yes season not started yet and has to be given a chance. I agree with all that and wish them the best however looking at the screen grab tg4 put up before match it shows how inexperienced David Burke and it is a huge gamble. Throw in Mark McHugh who has experience in coaching ladies football. Gery McGowan has experience ableit at lower level with Clare, Tipp and Sligo while our own selector Eddie Lohan I have never even heard of him managing a team at any level. Selector or coach whatever that means with Nigel in u21s and was with Brids with Frankie.
I remain hopeful but not optimistic but looking forward to the league matches as it is always a great competition and days out.
SmokieRoss (Roscommon) - Posts: 279 - 21/01/2023 09:01:17
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Some woeful shooting and you would hope Roscommon wouldn't be as wasteful again. A few hairy moments down our end as well. Although we did well to hold Mayo to 13 they seemed to get their scores easier and despite a few lovely scores from Donie we still struggled to get back into it even with the extra man.
I liked the look of Carroll as well in goal and given Galways goalkeeper woes the past while I'd say Joyce wouldn't mind having him available in the maroon.
I thought the same with conditioning. Our young lads look like they are behind Mayo. I don't know where responsibility lies there but it's not the new management because they're only in the door. Should that work be happening in development squads say for those u20 who weren't used by AC last year?
Unfortunately we are where we are with regards to attracting management teams. Donegal and Monaghan didn't fare out much better and they have been operating at a level above us the past while.
Hopefully lads will continue to return from injury and things will improve. I am a bit worried about that Tyrone game now.
MachaireConnacht (Roscommon) - Posts: 999 - 21/01/2023 10:58:01
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Awful match that was, Mayo were more impressive against Galway the week before and were there to be beat last night but can be thankful they played a team that couldn't shoot.
Seen Roscommon last year in league final score 1-20 and kick just 1 wide some contrast to last night scoring just 9 times from 20 odd chances.
Roscommon in fairness seem to have a lot of injuries to players that would be either starters or brought on as impact subs that doesn't bode well for Div 1 if the injuries remain. Wasn't Tadhg O'Rourke, Cian Connolly brought back why aren't they featuring in the FBD?
Yondu (UK) - Posts: 845 - 21/01/2023 15:49:37
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Ciaran Murtagh,Donie Smith,Conor Daly returned from injury last night the list remains long with David Murray,Richard Hughes,Fergal Lennon,Eddie Nolan,Tadgh O'Rourke,Enda Smith,Niall Kilroy,Cian Connolly,Cian McKeon,Cathal Heneghan
A few of those should feature against Tyrone next Sunday as Davy Burke said himself after the match last night that any player with niggles weren't going to play on that hard plastic surface in the dome.
The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 3909 - 21/01/2023 17:02:40
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@SmokieRoss the other options Roscommon had for manager wasn't a wealth of experience some was totally out of depth at inter County level management on past experience.
Does everyone on a management team need to be a former manager with years of experience?
Game i watched last night Keith Doyle played all of it in midfield and matched Mayos pairing Diarmuid O'Connor, Jordan Flynn for pace. His partner was Fallon and not Niall Daly as listed.
Don't expect many if any of the or newish Mayo lads to have much of impact in Div 1 much like the Roscommon young players given debuts they'll require more conditioning work
Best hope i see for Roscommon in Div 1 is winning games against fellow relegation candidates Donegal, Monaghan and that 4 points is enough to stay up ( it was for Monaghan in 2019) Will be a huge bonus if any points is taken from games against Tyrone, Galway, Mayo, Armagh, Kerry
Gaa_lover (USA) - Posts: 3489 - 21/01/2023 17:50:03
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Waste of a game. Neither side will have learnt anything much. I think Mayo have another challenge this weekend.
yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11409 - 21/01/2023 18:29:35
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Tyrone well beaten by Derry in the McKenna cup conceding 3-11 when they in their last 3 games they conceded 0-10,1-7 and 0-10. Not sure how much can be read out of that game this evening when they started with half strength team when all first choice was fit but left on the bench.
The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 3909 - 21/01/2023 21:01:26
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I'm not really sure what to make of that match on Friday night. In some ways there was a lot of positives in the defence was much improved for the main part. Conor Carroll was impressive in goal although I'm not sure I like to see him wandering outfield to often. Thought Keith Doyle more than held his own even if he was quieter than usual. Glad to see Ciaran Murtagh back and Conor Cox improved hugely from the previous week. A big worry though was that we didn't push on when Mayo went down to 14. At times the marking from us was very poor late in the game. A lot of passing backwards and sideways too which I don't particularly care for. I hope we see a lot more running at defences as we definitely have plenty of players capable of running at teams. From the oppositions defensive perspective this sort of play is always a defenders nightmare. Dublin ladies did it with aplomb against Meath last night and resulted in either the attackers being fouled or actually breaking through the defence and scores coming off it. Anyway I've my ticket bought for next Sunday and I'm quietly confident we can get a result. Ps I also hope Ciaran Lennon is played in the full forward line. To me that's his proper position as he wins his ball more times than not and has the pace to run at goal and either draw the foul or score. Playing him on the half forward line is not getting the most out of him I feel. Here he'll win ball but will only pass it off to someone else as he's too far out from goal. He's not a player lie Ciaran Murtagh who will pick out a 30 yard foot pass. Anyway we'll just have to put our faith in Davy and the lads and hope for a bright 2023
ComainRos (Roscommon) - Posts: 131 - 22/01/2023 12:38:14
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Team i would like to see Sunday
1. Carroll
2. Mccormack 3. Hussey 4. Robbie Dolan
5. Niall Daly 6. Brian Stack 7. Conor Daly
8. Keith Doyle 9. Ruadhri Fallon
10. Ciaran Murtagh 11. Donie smith 12. Ciaran Lennon
13. Diarmuid Murtagh 14. Conor Cox 15. Adam Mcdermott
If Richard Hughes is fit i would have him wing back and Conor Daly going to corner back and robbie dolan coming out.
In Midfield i dont think niall daly is a midfielder but id say he will play there, if tadgh o rourke is going well which he must be i would get him into midfield and Ruadhri fallon out.
Conor cox looking to get a place but dont see an alternative at the moment - i think Adam Mcdermott has showed more than paul carey in the his short snippets.
Hopefully - Niall Kilroy, Enda Smith, Eddie Nolan and Cian Connolly are getting back to match sharpness as they will be required as the league progresses.
I think this is a huge game for us that could hinge on Roscommons survival. Tyrone not going well by any account and neither are we. I heard Roscommon played fermanagh in the hyde on sunday so they should be well up to speed on the pitch.
Tarismelting22 (Roscommon) - Posts: 779 - 24/01/2023 08:52:53
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Replying To Tarismelting22: "Team i would like to see Sunday
1. Carroll
2. Mccormack 3. Hussey 4. Robbie Dolan
5. Niall Daly 6. Brian Stack 7. Conor Daly
8. Keith Doyle 9. Ruadhri Fallon
10. Ciaran Murtagh 11. Donie smith 12. Ciaran Lennon
13. Diarmuid Murtagh 14. Conor Cox 15. Adam Mcdermott
If Richard Hughes is fit i would have him wing back and Conor Daly going to corner back and robbie dolan coming out.
In Midfield i dont think niall daly is a midfielder but id say he will play there, if tadgh o rourke is going well which he must be i would get him into midfield and Ruadhri fallon out.
Conor cox looking to get a place but dont see an alternative at the moment - i think Adam Mcdermott has showed more than paul carey in the his short snippets.
Hopefully - Niall Kilroy, Enda Smith, Eddie Nolan and Cian Connolly are getting back to match sharpness as they will be required as the league progresses.
I think this is a huge game for us that could hinge on Roscommons survival. Tyrone not going well by any account and neither are we. I heard Roscommon played fermanagh in the hyde on sunday so they should be well up to speed on the pitch." Would agree to a extent with that selection moving Ciaran Murtagh to c.f and donie smith to cf. hopefully Niall Kilroy is fit for a sweeper role. Ciaran Lennon is far to passive at inter county level and is best brought on if game becomes open.
hontherossie (Roscommon) - Posts: 107 - 24/01/2023 15:25:24
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Tyrone was going well until the McKenna Cup final when they decided to play a weakened team. They played Derry the group stages with a stronger team and drew, Derry scoring the equaliser deep into injury time.
Gaa_lover (USA) - Posts: 3489 - 24/01/2023 16:55:16
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In the challenge against Fermanagh on Sunday I hear those that returned from injury Enda Smith,Tadgh O'Rourke,Eddie Nolan and Richard Hughes all saw game time. As did Ciaran Murtagh and Donie Smith after only getting 35 minutes on Friday. Apparently Niall Kilroy,Cian Connolly didn't feature meanwhile Cian McKeon is making progress on his return and may see some action towards the end of the league.
Starting team this weekend will be interesting one and i think those deemed not match fit will likely be held in reserve with the hope making an impact when introduced.
The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 3909 - 24/01/2023 18:59:19
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Replying To The_analyser: "In the challenge against Fermanagh on Sunday I hear those that returned from injury Enda Smith,Tadgh O'Rourke,Eddie Nolan and Richard Hughes all saw game time. As did Ciaran Murtagh and Donie Smith after only getting 35 minutes on Friday. Apparently Niall Kilroy,Cian Connolly didn't feature meanwhile Cian McKeon is making progress on his return and may see some action towards the end of the league.
Starting team this weekend will be interesting one and i think those deemed not match fit will likely be held in reserve with the hope making an impact when introduced." I suppose a sensible selection would be 2 "oldies" and 1 "newby" in each line.
Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1955 - 25/01/2023 11:06:29
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Lots of young Roscommon players still involved in the Sigerson Cup. Electricireland.ie are streaming several of the matches live. Quarter finals on next week. Hope to make it in person to see DCU v TU Dublin next Wednesday where several Rossies will tog out.
letsgetgoing (Roscommon) - Posts: 633 - 26/01/2023 14:12:05
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Replying To letsgetgoing: "Lots of young Roscommon players still involved in the Sigerson Cup. Electricireland.ie are streaming several of the matches live. Quarter finals on next week. Hope to make it in person to see DCU v TU Dublin next Wednesday where several Rossies will tog out." Should have read UCD v TU Dublin on Wednesday night. DCU playing MTU on Tuesday night.
letsgetgoing (Roscommon) - Posts: 633 - 26/01/2023 14:38:30
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Any names on who was dropped from senior panel this week. I see we have a number lot of players on county panel not making their college teams.
Be interesting to see team for Sunday. I think they'll go with experience.
Lavin in goals and a full back line of Mc Cormack, Conor Daly and Robbie Dolan who was very impressive last week. Half back line will be Hussey, Brian Stack and Niall Daly.
Keith Doyle and O Rourke if fit. Otherwise Conor Daly may come up and then we need a full back.
I'd like to see them persist with Diarmuid Murtagh at centre forward flanked by Ruane and one more and it could be a defender. Inside will probably be a combo of Cox, Lennon and Donie Smith. Enda Smith and Ciaran Murtagh probably fit enough for a cameo from bench. I'd imagine the younger lads will feature when game becomes a bit stretched. If we go with youth and lads not fully fit from the off then it could turn into a long day. Scoring average could be crucial in the battle to stay up.
SmokieRoss (Roscommon) - Posts: 279 - 26/01/2023 18:51:39
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Handful of changes made from the FBD final if indeed this team does start.
Colm Lavin Conor Hussey Conor Daly Eoin McCormack Dylan Ruane Brian Stack Niall Daly Tadgh O'Rourke Keith Doyle Robbie Nolan Enda Smith Ciaran Lennon Diarmuid Murtagh Conor Cox Ciarain Murtagh
The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 3909 - 27/01/2023 20:54:39
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Replying To The_analyser: "Handful of changes made from the FBD final if indeed this team does start.
Colm Lavin Conor Hussey Conor Daly Eoin McCormack Dylan Ruane Brian Stack Niall Daly Tadgh O'Rourke Keith Doyle Robbie Nolan Enda Smith Ciaran Lennon Diarmuid Murtagh Conor Cox Ciarain Murtagh" Fairly sticking to the old guard, possibly a little enforced with lads in Sigerson etc. Some will no doubt come on from the bench. How fit can O'Rourke be not having been part of County set up since Sumner 2021?
Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1955 - 28/01/2023 12:01:56
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Replying To Seanfanbocht: "Fairly sticking to the old guard, possibly a little enforced with lads in Sigerson etc. Some will no doubt come on from the bench. How fit can O'Rourke be not having been part of County set up since Sumner 2021?" A lot of experience there. Probably partly enforced like you say but also I'd say he's thinking first game and it would be brilliant to get some points on the board. If they could even get a draw, another two wins would probably guarantee survival. If they managed to win then they only need a win and a draw from the remaining games to stay up if all went well. Although 5 points wasn't enough to stay up last year. Tyrone you'd imagine will want to make some sort of a statement after their disaster year last year.
MachaireConnacht (Roscommon) - Posts: 999 - 28/01/2023 12:32:34
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Replying To SmokieRoss: "Just caught the FBD final on YouTube as I wasn't able to see it live. A head scratcher of a performance to say the least. The amount of sideways passing was alarming. At one stage in the second half about 58th and 59th minute Ross have the ball between midfield and Mayo 45 and proceed to move the ball over and across the pitch and end up back in the same place. Baffling stuff.
I thought Conor Carroll and Robbie Dolan were Roscommon's best players over the 78 mins. Couldn't fathom out why they brought Conor Carroll up to take the free from ground in first half. Both teams struggled with their shooting. Mayo left at least 3 goals behind while we didn't manufacture any goal chance. Conor Cox showed glimpses as did Donie Smith. Cian Glennon did okay in spots. Keith Doyle a couple of good moments but was totally exposed at midfield for pace hence the reason they switched him into forward line. Adam McDermott got 3 chances when he came on, 1 hit post, 1 blocked and 1 wide..its a different standard to u20 as a lot of our players are going to find out which is a natural progression. How many will be good enough or have the hunger for senior remains to be seen. I wouldn't expect huge numbers to be honest.
Tyrone next week will be a tough ask amd Ross will do well to get anything out of the match. I'd be happy if the match is competitive for the majority of it and build on that. Good to see Ciaran Murtagh and Ruaidhri Fallon in action last night but noth looked way off pace which is understandable.
We have a lot of players again of the one mould. Medium height amd light. Mayo even their new players look far more conditioned.
I have reservations about our management and yes season not started yet and has to be given a chance. I agree with all that and wish them the best however looking at the screen grab tg4 put up before match it shows how inexperienced David Burke and it is a huge gamble. Throw in Mark McHugh who has experience in coaching ladies football. Gery McGowan has experience ableit at lower level with Clare, Tipp and Sligo while our own selector Eddie Lohan I have never even heard of him managing a team at any level. Selector or coach whatever that means with Nigel in u21s and was with Brids with Frankie.
I remain hopeful but not optimistic but looking forward to the league matches as it is always a great competition and days out." Throw in the fact that 3 out of 4 of our management have no experience of Roscommon football, plus the missed virtually the entire club championship. It would have made an awful lot of sense to have one person who managed a club in the county recently and another who recently was involved with a underage county team. I don't believe there is any decent county who only have one person who has experience of football in there counties in there management team. We will be in the same boat again when it comes to replacing Burke as m as manger having no internel candidates with intercounty experience.
ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1211 - 28/01/2023 12:58:59
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