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Replying To Gaa_lover:  "Pat Flanagan's team according to this


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Pat Flannagan has Gerry McGowan Sligo, Ja Fallon Galway, Pascal Kellaghan plus two current Roscommon coaches who are currently coaching teams.

SmokieRoss (Roscommon) - Posts: 248 - 20/10/2022 19:08:12"
McGowan must have been on a couple so because he was definitely with Flynn,
Walter Burke was one of Flanagans coaches. Wasn't a bad team

reffingmad (Roscommon) - Posts: 345 - 05/11/2022 20:33:45    2446588

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Replying To reffingmad:  "
Replying To Gaa_lover:  "Pat Flanagan's team according to this


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Pat Flannagan has Gerry McGowan Sligo, Ja Fallon Galway, Pascal Kellaghan plus two current Roscommon coaches who are currently coaching teams.

SmokieRoss (Roscommon) - Posts: 248 - 20/10/2022 19:08:12"
McGowan must have been on a couple so because he was definitely with Flynn,
Walter Burke was one of Flanagans coaches. Wasn't a bad team"
Move on lads doesn't matter !

rossy15 (Roscommon) - Posts: 594 - 05/11/2022 21:10:24    2446591

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Are the county board any closer to buying land for the centre of excellence? I don't know why the are looking to buy in Roscommon town, would make far more sense to buy in the likee of Tulsk. I hope Burke adds a couple of Roscommon people to his management team as it currently lacks local knowledge and plus the fact that the 3 lads who he hss in with him all played as forwards, it could do with fromer backs been involved.

ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1209 - 06/11/2022 10:35:58    2446610

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Replying To ros1:  "Are the county board any closer to buying land for the centre of excellence? I don't know why the are looking to buy in Roscommon town, would make far more sense to buy in the likee of Tulsk. I hope Burke adds a couple of Roscommon people to his management team as it currently lacks local knowledge and plus the fact that the 3 lads who he hss in with him all played as forwards, it could do with fromer backs been involved."
I expect a future C of E will be in the South near the M6.
Eddie Lohan already on Davy Burke's team. Is John Rogers to be on it when the town end their season?

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 514 - 06/11/2022 12:01:32    2446616

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Replying To ros1:  "Are the county board any closer to buying land for the centre of excellence? I don't know why the are looking to buy in Roscommon town, would make far more sense to buy in the likee of Tulsk. I hope Burke adds a couple of Roscommon people to his management team as it currently lacks local knowledge and plus the fact that the 3 lads who he hss in with him all played as forwards, it could do with fromer backs been involved."
Mark McHugh played as a sweeper. And i don't think it overly matters where someone played. Have seen plenty of former forward players set his managed teams up defensive.

Why Tulsk more sense over Roscommon Town for the COE? The later for a start would have more public transport access.

Yondu (UK) - Posts: 739 - 06/11/2022 15:11:13    2446627

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Pearses B tipped by many to win the Junior A championship and win it they do by 2 points after a replay.

Ronans will be left with what ifs but more often than not the underdog needs to win the first day and today their last score came in the 6th minute of the 2nd half and you won't win many matches doing that. Have to pick themselves up now to represent Roscommon in the Connacht championship next Saturday. That won't be easy.

Congrats to Pearses one B team replacing another (Clann B) in the intermediate championship next year.

The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 3313 - 06/11/2022 15:36:38    2446630

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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "I expect a future C of E will be in the South near the M6.
Eddie Lohan already on Davy Burke's team. Is John Rogers to be on it when the town end their season?"
It would be pure silly to have it down there. I think the plan at the moment is to have it in Ros town. One Roscommon person isn't enough, Rogers would be a good addition hopefully that is true.

ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1209 - 06/11/2022 19:45:36    2446674

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Replying To Yondu:  "Mark McHugh played as a sweeper. And i don't think it overly matters where someone played. Have seen plenty of former forward players set his managed teams up defensive.

Why Tulsk more sense over Roscommon Town for the COE? The later for a start would have more public transport access."
Mchugh would have played most of his football as a forward, while it is true you have fromer forwards set up there teams defensively the would usually have defensive coaches in there set ups.

Tulsk is the centre of the county, on the N5, land probably better quality and cheaper than a site in the town. Ros town would have more public transport but little enough after 6 pm when the centre would be largely used.

ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1209 - 06/11/2022 19:56:51    2446675

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Tulsk is not even in the conversation for the COE location

Today we had the most north club team up against the most south club team in this county.

37 mins and 40km Ronans to Tulsk and Pearses to Tulsk 51mins drive 56.km

Ronans to Roscommon town 54 mins, 58.7km and Pearses to Hyde Park 36mins drive 37.8km

Not much of difference there.

The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 3313 - 06/11/2022 22:02:46    2446690

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Replying To The_analyser:  "Tulsk is not even in the conversation for the COE location

Today we had the most north club team up against the most south club team in this county.

37 mins and 40km Ronans to Tulsk and Pearses to Tulsk 51mins drive 56.km

Ronans to Roscommon town 54 mins, 58.7km and Pearses to Hyde Park 36mins drive 37.8km

Not much of difference there."
Can we take it we have no site/land at present for a "C of E"?
Did we sell the field in Oran?
Have we around €2m available for Hyde upgrade and the "C of E".?

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 514 - 07/11/2022 09:49:40    2446700

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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "Can we take it we have no site/land at present for a "C of E"?
Did we sell the field in Oran?
Have we around €2m available for Hyde upgrade and the "C of E".?"
Was a site around Lisnamult being looked at? Oran site is sold now. Terrible time to be looking for sites, borrowing money and paying for construction work. I hope they have some good planning advisors on board for any potential site as there's no point in spending money on a site and then for the council to refuse planning permission. I would think areas that already handle reasonable volumes of traffic near the likes of Tulsk (on N61 and existing N5) , Elphin (just off the N61, near the existing N5 and will be very near the new N5 when completed), Roscommon town (centre of county on the N60, N61, N63 and twenty minutes from motorway at Athlone) or Knockcroghery (on N61 and ten minutes from Athlone motorway) should be looked at.

MachaireConnacht (Roscommon) - Posts: 332 - 07/11/2022 14:09:33    2446751

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Replying To MachaireConnacht:  "Was a site around Lisnamult being looked at? Oran site is sold now. Terrible time to be looking for sites, borrowing money and paying for construction work. I hope they have some good planning advisors on board for any potential site as there's no point in spending money on a site and then for the council to refuse planning permission. I would think areas that already handle reasonable volumes of traffic near the likes of Tulsk (on N61 and existing N5) , Elphin (just off the N61, near the existing N5 and will be very near the new N5 when completed), Roscommon town (centre of county on the N60, N61, N63 and twenty minutes from motorway at Athlone) or Knockcroghery (on N61 and ten minutes from Athlone motorway) should be looked at."
IMO any COE should be considered south of Roscommon Town. I accept for underage this wouldn't be the centre for travel. However, the vast majority of our u20/21 and seniors team across the 4 codes are based in either Dublin or Galway. For the benefit of those teams having a base close to athlone is key.

GaelicStan (Roscommon) - Posts: 6 - 07/11/2022 14:57:52    2446760

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Replying To GaelicStan:  "IMO any COE should be considered south of Roscommon Town. I accept for underage this wouldn't be the centre for travel. However, the vast majority of our u20/21 and seniors team across the 4 codes are based in either Dublin or Galway. For the benefit of those teams having a base close to athlone is key."
I can see the current rationale for that. However, some consideration should be given to what future working and travelling situations will be like. Will there be more players able to work in Roscommon due to remote working etc? Maybe or maybe not. It is unlikely that third level trends will change too much. Although impossible to predict the future, maybe there are some trends or future proofing to be looked at. So yes, maybe Roscommon-Athlone is the location most suited and will still be most suited 10-20 years down the road. There is likely to be huge changes in the next 10-15 years on how transport is conducted. Maybe it needs to be on the outskirts of either town which have public transport links (likely to be signifcantly upgraded in the next decade) and easily reachable with electric vehicles. The flip side of that is the land at those locations is probably going to be the most expensive in the county.

MachaireConnacht (Roscommon) - Posts: 332 - 07/11/2022 15:23:06    2446761

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Replying To Seanfanbocht:  "Can we take it we have no site/land at present for a "C of E"?
Did we sell the field in Oran?
Have we around €2m available for Hyde upgrade and the "C of E".?"
County board have earmarked a location in Roscommon Town. The Oran site was sold a year and half ago.

Roughly that amount money is set aside for both projects and further funding required if the Hyde is to get up and running. Personally I'd start a training centre first anyway

The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 3313 - 07/11/2022 16:45:21    2446773

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Replying To ros1:  "Mchugh would have played most of his football as a forward, while it is true you have fromer forwards set up there teams defensively the would usually have defensive coaches in there set ups.

Tulsk is the centre of the county, on the N5, land probably better quality and cheaper than a site in the town. Ros town would have more public transport but little enough after 6 pm when the centre would be largely used."
McHughs won the All-Ireland and his All star playing the sweeper role. Most that played under McGuinness would be fairly clued in to what it takes to defend well as a team and be successful.

Roscommon town would be near centre also. Not sure on the price of land but now isn't the best time to buy.

Yondu (UK) - Posts: 739 - 07/11/2022 16:50:12    2446776

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Replying To The_analyser:  "County board have earmarked a location in Roscommon Town. The Oran site was sold a year and half ago.

Roughly that amount money is set aside for both projects and further funding required if the Hyde is to get up and running. Personally I'd start a training centre first anyway"
When considering the possible location for a Center of Excellence in the county it is critical that a weighted scoring approach should be used which takes into consideration multiply important factors before a final decision is made. Obviously not all factors are of equal importance. For example:

* The cost of land in the specific location. (location 1)
* Good transportation links, road/ rail etc (location 2)
* Close to the center of the county, also keeping in mind players travelling from Dublin / Galway etc (location 3)
* Quality of land available
* Close to a main town (location 4)
(a) Pitches can be used by the secondary schools in the area
(b) Food/coffee outlets available for those travelling long distances to training.
(C) Street lighting where parents/friends dropping off some players can go for a safe winter walk during training.
* Opportunity for further expansion in the future
* Local services (water/electricity) available. (location 5)
* Other relevant factors.

We certainly don't need the center of excellence in the middle of nowhere and we could all do without any biased decision making.

I am not from Roscommon town but if the county board have earmarked a good possible location in the town, I personally would find it hard to disagree with them, as I would suggest that it meets many of the criteria that I have set out above. Hopefully the price of the land is reasonable for the area and that the landowner is a Rossie supporter. What a legacy it would be to the county if a reasonably good deal could be achieved.

The quicker it happens the better for all concerned, especially the players.

letsgetgoing (Roscommon) - Posts: 98 - 07/11/2022 19:29:31    2446801

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Replying To The_analyser:  "Tulsk is not even in the conversation for the COE location

Today we had the most north club team up against the most south club team in this county.

37 mins and 40km Ronans to Tulsk and Pearses to Tulsk 51mins drive 56.km

Ronans to Roscommon town 54 mins, 58.7km and Pearses to Hyde Park 36mins drive 37.8km

Not much of difference there."
I presume you dont drive from Ballyfarnon to Ros much if you think you will do it in 54 mins, plus that is a 20 mins difference using your figures. But my main reason for Tulsk was you getting more bang for your buck plus it on a national road. The rumoured site in Roscommon town will no doubt have a lot of local objections which will be another factor. We already have seen the problems objections cause in the Hyde.

ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1209 - 07/11/2022 20:56:43    2446808

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Replying To GaelicStan:  "IMO any COE should be considered south of Roscommon Town. I accept for underage this wouldn't be the centre for travel. However, the vast majority of our u20/21 and seniors team across the 4 codes are based in either Dublin or Galway. For the benefit of those teams having a base close to athlone is key."
Most of the teams at a centre of excellence will be underage teams which will be living in the county. You will force parents after a days work to travel long distances which will probably lose out on players for the county. I believe the club rossie bus brings lads down from Dublin.

ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1209 - 07/11/2022 21:06:50    2446810

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Replying To letsgetgoing:  "When considering the possible location for a Center of Excellence in the county it is critical that a weighted scoring approach should be used which takes into consideration multiply important factors before a final decision is made. Obviously not all factors are of equal importance. For example:

* The cost of land in the specific location. (location 1)
* Good transportation links, road/ rail etc (location 2)
* Close to the center of the county, also keeping in mind players travelling from Dublin / Galway etc (location 3)
* Quality of land available
* Close to a main town (location 4)
(a) Pitches can be used by the secondary schools in the area
(b) Food/coffee outlets available for those travelling long distances to training.
(C) Street lighting where parents/friends dropping off some players can go for a safe winter walk during training.
* Opportunity for further expansion in the future
* Local services (water/electricity) available. (location 5)
* Other relevant factors.

We certainly don't need the center of excellence in the middle of nowhere and we could all do without any biased decision making.

I am not from Roscommon town but if the county board have earmarked a good possible location in the town, I personally would find it hard to disagree with them, as I would suggest that it meets many of the criteria that I have set out above. Hopefully the price of the land is reasonable for the area and that the landowner is a Rossie supporter. What a legacy it would be to the county if a reasonably good deal could be achieved.

The quicker it happens the better for all concerned, especially the players."
In fairness that is a well argued post, I would say though that most counties that have C o E have them in rural locations as you get better value for your money.

ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1209 - 07/11/2022 21:18:24    2446813

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Replying To ros1:  "In fairness that is a well argued post, I would say though that most counties that have C o E have them in rural locations as you get better value for your money."
I think ros1 you have to define what you mean by "value" and what you mean by "money" (price). They are obviously not the same thing as I attempted to outline in my previous post. This is why it is critically important to devise a detailed and unbiased weighted score process before you evaluate your various options.
As far as the Centre of Excellence is concerned the price of land is obviously the most important criteria, but it is not the only thing that is linked to perceived value.

For example, Multi Nationals would use a weighted score process before deciding (a) which country to base their operations in and (b) what locations (city/town) in that country they will build their operations in. The price of land in Leitrim and Roscommon is only a fraction of the cost of land in Dublin but we still cannot attract industry and jobs to the midlands. Why is that the case? The answer is obviously that they distinguish the difference between price and the broader concept of total value to their operations. The same rational logical decision-making process should be applied to important decisions within the GAA. Should we develop Hyde Park before the Centre of Excellence or vice versa and where should we build the Centre of Excellence?

I noticed in a previous post that you suggested that Tulsk should be considered for the Centre of Excellence instead of Roscommon town. I do not think that the price of land would vary considerably between Tulsk and Roscommon. (Unlike Dublin & Roscommon as per other example) The other factors that I have suggested in my previous post might tend to tilt the balance in favour of Roscommon town.

I am only offering a personal (hopefully unbiased) opinion and there are many different ways of looking at these issues.

letsgetgoing (Roscommon) - Posts: 98 - 08/11/2022 07:59:48    2446824

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