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Replying To ros1:  "There is other internal candidates who have managed
Ros teams to all Ireland finals, plus others to have had good playimg careers for Roscommon. Wicklow lost all there group games in the league in his second year in charge, lost by 28 points to a poor Meath team in the championship in his first year and lost to division 4 Wexford in his second year, plus he had a poor year managing Sarfields this year. Why go for other managers who haven't got the chance to manage their home counties despite them knowing alot more about that county than Roscommon."
Wicklow are poor and championship trimmings are expected regardless who is managing them. Promoting them to Div 3 and keeping them up was achievement in itself.

He's a young manager that i believe will eventually manage Kildare. In the club championship his side lost narrowly to the team that went on to hammer Tom Cribbins team in the final.

Who's other internal candidates, were they on the Roscommon management team this year? That draw might give plenty of candidates second thoughts.

Yondu (UK) - Posts: 733 - 15/10/2022 17:23:46    2444084

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Replying To Yondu:  "Wicklow are poor and championship trimmings are expected regardless who is managing them. Promoting them to Div 3 and keeping them up was achievement in itself.

He's a young manager that i believe will eventually manage Kildare. In the club championship his side lost narrowly to the team that went on to hammer Tom Cribbins team in the final.

Who's other internal candidates, were they on the Roscommon management team this year? That draw might give plenty of candidates second thoughts."
Why appoint a manager who in his one senior intercounty job it didn't work out for him. He only won one match in his second season in charge it not exactly impressive stuff, indeed Wicklow are usually more competitive than that
against Meath. He managed one of the strongest kildare club sides and failed to do the business. He may go on to manage Kildare in the future but we have better candidates internally, Fod, Dineen, Tully, maybe some type of combined ticker involving recently retired players etc, even the likes of Cian Smith/John Rogers there is better internal candidates.

ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1209 - 15/10/2022 17:46:14    2444093

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Replying To ros1:  "Why appoint a manager who in his one senior intercounty job it didn't work out for him. He only won one match in his second season in charge it not exactly impressive stuff, indeed Wicklow are usually more competitive than that
against Meath. He managed one of the strongest kildare club sides and failed to do the business. He may go on to manage Kildare in the future but we have better candidates internally, Fod, Dineen, Tully, maybe some type of combined ticker involving recently retired players etc, even the likes of Cian Smith/John Rogers there is better internal candidates."
Dineen and Tully both lost all Ireland under 20 finals. Burke has won one so straight away he has more intercounty success than the two of those combined. He's won a club championship in 2019 with Sarsfields, I don't think any of the others have won anything at that level (or even had much involvement)? FOD is the only one there you've named with any ounce of credibility for the role.

As for the latter two, why don't we nominate every manager who's ever made a county final in Roscommon while we're at it? With the current format it's not exactly an impossible task to get there.

Primrose_and_blue (Roscommon) - Posts: 40 - 15/10/2022 18:12:37    2444102

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Replying To ros1:  "Why appoint a manager who in his one senior intercounty job it didn't work out for him. He only won one match in his second season in charge it not exactly impressive stuff, indeed Wicklow are usually more competitive than that
against Meath. He managed one of the strongest kildare club sides and failed to do the business. He may go on to manage Kildare in the future but we have better candidates internally, Fod, Dineen, Tully, maybe some type of combined ticker involving recently retired players etc, even the likes of Cian Smith/John Rogers there is better internal candidates."
Burke is a named candidate if posts here and Roscommon herald are to believed are any of those interval names even in the running?

Wicklow is a tough gig for any manager. A good league manager in John Evans struggled to get any tune out of them and McConville now has a tough welcome to inter County management.

Davy Burke also won the Kildare senior championship with Sarsfield in 2019. We he managed a better quality group of players (Kildare U20s) he won the All-Ireland and has the experience of managing in the Sigerson cup which is a high level of competition.

Yondu (UK) - Posts: 733 - 15/10/2022 18:21:13    2444106

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Replying To Primrose_and_blue:  "Dineen and Tully both lost all Ireland under 20 finals. Burke has won one so straight away he has more intercounty success than the two of those combined. He's won a club championship in 2019 with Sarsfields, I don't think any of the others have won anything at that level (or even had much involvement)? FOD is the only one there you've named with any ounce of credibility for the role.

As for the latter two, why don't we nominate every manager who's ever made a county final in Roscommon while we're at it? With the current format it's not exactly an impossible task to get there."
Dineen and Tully have both managed Ros to 2 all Ireland finals, Dineen has a good bit of experience at this stage. Not to mmention both of them obviously have alot more knowledge of Roscommon football and unlike Burke neither of them have failed as senior intercounty managers. Smith has managed Boyle to their first final in 95 years and no one was expecting Strokestown to get to the final, plus both men have given alot to Roscommon football.

ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1209 - 15/10/2022 19:58:27    2444128

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Replying To Yondu:  "Burke is a named candidate if posts here and Roscommon herald are to believed are any of those interval names even in the running?

Wicklow is a tough gig for any manager. A good league manager in John Evans struggled to get any tune out of them and McConville now has a tough welcome to inter County management.

Davy Burke also won the Kildare senior championship with Sarsfield in 2019. We he managed a better quality group of players (Kildare U20s) he won the All-Ireland and has the experience of managing in the Sigerson cup which is a high level of competition."
There would be Roscommon options to take the job if approached. The sigerson is not as high as it once was. His Sarafield side were six points up, 2 men up and still managed to lose there quarter final hardily great. He has had at least 5 management jobs in 5 years which raises questions. His results with Wicklow were poor.

ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1209 - 15/10/2022 20:04:53    2444130

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I don't believe any of Cian Smith, Nigel Dineen, John Rogers, Liam Tully was nominated by any club nor sounded out by selection committee. That's not to stop any of them to be part of the new management be it as a coach or selector to the new manager.

Clock is ticking on the promise from county board chairman that a new manager will be appointed before the senior County final on the 23rd. For that to happen a county board meeting will need to be called early next week.

The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 3308 - 15/10/2022 20:17:47    2444135

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Replying To The_analyser:  "SmokieRoss i have been told Kevin Walsh wasn't approached at any stage. In our last search the county board searched all over including up north when the obvious choice was closer to home yet didn't realise that until their preferred candidate opted out. Can't do simliar this time as he's already snapped up.

Already mentioned Davy Burke and i see the Herald are linking him in article today."
KW was not approached by this committee doing the groundwork but had had been approached by a third party if he would be interested in speaking to the committee and ruled it out categorically for the reasons outlined earlier. The third party has strong roscommon links.

As per my previous post the ex all Ireland winner has 5 days to see can he out a management team together amd is working furiously on it with sone big names linked with him previously. As I said he has limited management experience himself.

In relation to Davy Burke and I'd like him especially if Jason Ryan was with him it needs some context on his achievements with Wicklow. Did well to gwt them out of Div 4 but his remaining in Div 3 is a bit skewed as it was the COVID league.

I daresay the draw may be a deterrent to our managerial hunt and maybe some more players may see it as an opportunity to go travelling. I have stated here that two of our better players are rumoured to be going away next year.

SmokieRoss (Roscommon) - Posts: 248 - 15/10/2022 20:20:26    2444137

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Replying To ros1:  "There would be Roscommon options to take the job if approached. The sigerson is not as high as it once was. His Sarafield side were six points up, 2 men up and still managed to lose there quarter final hardily great. He has had at least 5 management jobs in 5 years which raises questions. His results with Wicklow were poor."
If not approached are those names worth even mentioning?

Naas was the defending champions and favourites to win Kildare county title again. Strongest challenge they got was from Davy Burke Sarsfields.

The league is just as important if not more for Div 3,4 teams than the championship and Wicklow promoted to Div 3 and staying up was decent going.

If Roscommons options are just Burke, Cribbin and Flanagan who would you choose?

Yondu (UK) - Posts: 733 - 15/10/2022 20:29:59    2444141

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Replying To SmokieRoss:  "KW was not approached by this committee doing the groundwork but had had been approached by a third party if he would be interested in speaking to the committee and ruled it out categorically for the reasons outlined earlier. The third party has strong roscommon links.

As per my previous post the ex all Ireland winner has 5 days to see can he out a management team together amd is working furiously on it with sone big names linked with him previously. As I said he has limited management experience himself.

In relation to Davy Burke and I'd like him especially if Jason Ryan was with him it needs some context on his achievements with Wicklow. Did well to gwt them out of Div 4 but his remaining in Div 3 is a bit skewed as it was the COVID league.

I daresay the draw may be a deterrent to our managerial hunt and maybe some more players may see it as an opportunity to go travelling. I have stated here that two of our better players are rumoured to be going away next year."
You are great man for the rumours. Deterrent? Players and any new manager that has ambitions want to test themselves against the best players and teams and that's what Roscommon will get in league and championship in 2023.


Why "all I can say" in this Dublin candidate when you never had any problem in the past to post rumoured information on here regardless if such hearsay was true or false.

Gaa_lover (USA) - Posts: 2948 - 15/10/2022 20:42:34    2444143

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Davy Burke would have been close to top of my kist when job became available. When i was realistic with top names hes as good as we can wish for. I hope he gets it

sourmilk93 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1026 - 15/10/2022 21:37:56    2444156

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Replying To sourmilk93:  "Davy Burke would have been close to top of my kist when job became available. When i was realistic with top names hes as good as we can wish for. I hope he gets it"
I think most people would be happy with Davy Burke.

dave1988 (Roscommon) - Posts: 893 - 16/10/2022 12:12:07    2444181

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Replying To Yondu:  "If not approached are those names worth even mentioning?

Naas was the defending champions and favourites to win Kildare county title again. Strongest challenge they got was from Davy Burke Sarsfields.

The league is just as important if not more for Div 3,4 teams than the championship and Wicklow promoted to Div 3 and staying up was decent going.

If Roscommons options are just Burke, Cribbin and Flanagan who would you choose?"
The job of the committee is to aproach candidates whiither the be internwl and external. Sarfields were in a position the should have won, not to do so was a failure especially letting yourself be destroyed by a 40 year old.
Wicklow lost all there group games in the league some heavily and would have been reglated if it was a normal season, plus the fact the only won one match all year. Indeed it would ironic to see posters wanting to get rid of our previous manager because of championship results and ignore the championship results of his replacement.
4 years ago Burke was linked with the ros job and it is fairly telling that he is been linked with Roscommon bssed solely he had won 4 years ago and nothing he has done in the last 4 years.
I wouldn't be a fan of any of the 3 but Flanagan would be the obvious choice.

ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1209 - 16/10/2022 14:28:15    2444190

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Replying To ros1:  "The job of the committee is to aproach candidates whiither the be internwl and external. Sarfields were in a position the should have won, not to do so was a failure especially letting yourself be destroyed by a 40 year old.
Wicklow lost all there group games in the league some heavily and would have been reglated if it was a normal season, plus the fact the only won one match all year. Indeed it would ironic to see posters wanting to get rid of our previous manager because of championship results and ignore the championship results of his replacement.
4 years ago Burke was linked with the ros job and it is fairly telling that he is been linked with Roscommon bssed solely he had won 4 years ago and nothing he has done in the last 4 years.
I wouldn't be a fan of any of the 3 but Flanagan would be the obvious choice."
What makes Flanagan the obvious choice? The manner that his Pearses side lost this year was probably worse than sarsfields. At least sarsfields was beaten by a side that went on to comfortably win the Kildare title.

Flanagans championship record with Sligo, Offaly and Westmeath was poor. Decent league manager but he's never managed a team in Div 1 before and will his style of play suit where Roscommon want to go and improve on previous championship performances?

Yondu (UK) - Posts: 733 - 16/10/2022 15:31:56    2444196

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Replying To Yondu:  "What makes Flanagan the obvious choice? The manner that his Pearses side lost this year was probably worse than sarsfields. At least sarsfields was beaten by a side that went on to comfortably win the Kildare title.

Flanagans championship record with Sligo, Offaly and Westmeath was poor. Decent league manager but he's never managed a team in Div 1 before and will his style of play suit where Roscommon want to go and improve on previous championship performances?"
Flanagan has been managing in Ros for the last 4 years winning 2 county titles and a provincial title less than a year ago. He should have a good knowledge of players available in the county. He has managed a county to get promoted to division 1 which alot higher level than Burke who's experience is division 4 and bottom off division 3.

Plus you have to question someone who has left 4 jobs in 5 years, if we appoint burke will we be looking for another manager in 12 months which would be a disaster.

ros1 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1209 - 16/10/2022 17:33:36    2444212

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Fergal O'Donnells Tourlestrane had to grind out that Sligo title win today. 2 points down into injury time to grab a draw and won by 2 in extra time.

The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 3308 - 16/10/2022 17:37:48    2444217

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Replying To ros1:  "Flanagan has been managing in Ros for the last 4 years winning 2 county titles and a provincial title less than a year ago. He should have a good knowledge of players available in the county. He has managed a county to get promoted to division 1 which alot higher level than Burke who's experience is division 4 and bottom off division 3.

Plus you have to question someone who has left 4 jobs in 5 years, if we appoint burke will we be looking for another manager in 12 months which would be a disaster."
Flanagan record at club level is not in question he's done well at every club he's managed but it has to be a concern for Roscommon supporters if he was appointed with his poor championship record with county teams. Burke in comparison won inter County All-Ireland title.

Yondu (UK) - Posts: 733 - 16/10/2022 18:25:00    2444227

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Replying To Yondu:  "Flanagan record at club level is not in question he's done well at every club he's managed but it has to be a concern for Roscommon supporters if he was appointed with his poor championship record with county teams. Burke in comparison won inter County All-Ireland title."
Agreed. Roscommon have been a league team the past while. We've played the last 3 championship seasons with league-like intensity. We now need a manager who can get performances in championship. I don't think Flanagan can do that.

MachaireConnacht (Roscommon) - Posts: 329 - 16/10/2022 19:40:05    2444239

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Replying To Gaa_lover:  "You are great man for the rumours. Deterrent? Players and any new manager that has ambitions want to test themselves against the best players and teams and that's what Roscommon will get in league and championship in 2023.


Why "all I can say" in this Dublin candidate when you never had any problem in the past to post rumoured information on here regardless if such hearsay was true or false."
I never mentioned where the candidate was from only stating he was from Leinster and that race will come to a conclusion either way tomrrow or Wed. He will either withdraw or be given an interview if he has a backroom team assembled.

I note another Roscommon man doing well with other teams and that is Kevin Stritch. Heavily involved with Ratoath in Meath who claimed senior title yesterday and was heavily involved in Roscommon Gaels last year in their run to the semi final and less of the big players available to them which would suggest the Gaels have regressed under the current management. Stritch was also involved with Galway with Kevin Walsh and I daresay if memory serves me correct was also involved with Longford when they were doing okay. How come he isn't coming into the conversation if we are throwing out the names like FOD, Don Connellan, Pat Flanangan etc.

SmokieRoss (Roscommon) - Posts: 248 - 17/10/2022 10:55:17    2444282

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Should we know new manager by Friday? Surly now they have a decision made and have to announce. I do like a good bet but I wouldn't even know where to start with guessing who will get. So many names going around the weekend from Davy Burke Jason Sherlock and Pat Flanagan. Hopefully we will know in the next few days and even if we don't agree with the choice we will still roll in behind the team and new management.

dave1988 (Roscommon) - Posts: 893 - 17/10/2022 11:29:59    2444291

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