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Anyone who can change allegiance like that isn't worthy of being called a Fermanagh supporter. They are best described as fair-weather supporters, which throws into question their loyalty to the gallant lads who wear the green and white for us.
BigToeJoe (Fermanagh) - Posts: 195 - 06/07/2024 22:52:11 2557312 Link 0 |
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I hope it didn't take you long to type that message as that was the most unproductive time you will ever spend doing something, doesnt even warrant a response. Has there been much developments with Lissan project since last year's House draw? macca999 (Fermanagh) - Posts: 1139 - 07/07/2024 11:23:34 2557358 Link 0 |
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Yes macca, a very relevant and pointed question about Lissan development. There were one's telling the newspapers about the grand plans that were being proposed for Lissan but I'm beginning to think it may be all pie in the sky! Now let's hope our hard-earned money contributed to the house draw fund doesn't end up being syphoned off to feed the Fermanagh team's gravy train or to meet maintenance of Brewster Park or any shortfalls the co board may have and certainly I hope not for entertainment expenses of board men or officials. I think we have a right to know exactly the current position including what draw funding has been spent so far and where it has gone and when are we going to get the Lissan upgrade and how the funding shortfall is going to be met. On another matter, why has the decision of the Fermanagh senior team manager been stalled? Coa_gael (Fermanagh) - Posts: 1185 - 07/07/2024 15:26:53 2557401 Link 3 |
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BigToeJoe your assessment of macca as a pot stirrer is spot on and is evidenced in his last posting where he trying to raise the feathers on Fermanagh fans by bringing up the hot topic of Lissan's development following the house draw. He knows fine well that he is taking a swipe at veteran Ekn Gaels men who were so much part of the Lissan project which was their concept. Whether macca likes it or not the great Lissan centre of excellence is here to stay! gaalltheway (Fermanagh) - Posts: 802 - 08/07/2024 14:00:18 2557700 Link 0 |
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With Harte now freed from Derry our co board should be on the phone right now and invite him to take the Fermanagh manager's job. And Donnelly should do the decent and stand aside immediately. The_Rat (Fermanagh) - Posts: 53 - 08/07/2024 15:58:32 2557738 Link 11 |
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Would take deep pockets to get him involved.
peiledoir20 (Donegal) - Posts: 958 - 08/07/2024 16:11:42 2557744 Link 0 |
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Great news!!! Time for sharp decision-making so that our Fermanagh lads will get the best of the best!
BigToeJoe (Fermanagh) - Posts: 195 - 08/07/2024 16:56:35 2557775 Link 9 |
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I just asked a simple question if anyone had update on how the Lissan project went since fundraiser as hasnt been much in press etc, im sure other people who purchased a ticket would appreciate update of its progress? So sorry to disappoint your latest theory but ive no issue with location of it,just hoping its moving forward as our county teams from underage to senior in all codes need it badly. As for Mickey Harte, dont think he would take such a job if opportunity arose and severly doubt county board be in a position to support it. Looks like alot of county jobs be available with few departures already,im sure either way be confirmation soon from Kieran Donnelly macca999 (Fermanagh) - Posts: 1139 - 08/07/2024 20:23:11 2557832 Link 0 |
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I feel sorry for you mate. A pot-stirrer in denial won't wash with those who a clever enough to see through you. When it comes to others calling for management change, you are indecisive clinging to your fence-sitting crutch and you are dismissive of other people's suggestion and lack the capability to offer any constructive way forward for our senior county team who have been so disadvantaged by an incapable management. In fact, if truth be told, you represent no one, and I mean NO ONE, other than yourself!!
BigToeJoe (Fermanagh) - Posts: 195 - 09/07/2024 13:36:16 2558019 Link 3 |
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Ha I need your pity like the farmers need more rain at the minute BigToeJoe. I dont think anyone on a forum represents anyone but themselves, that is the purpose of such a forum, individuals to share their views and opinions in a constructive and positive manner. Its not a supporters club group and to my knowledge every here is speaking for themselves, there is no chairperson representing others unless i missed that memo and recent election process???! As for MY view, i have questioned certain things throughout the intercounty season(lack of subs, negative approach v Armagh in vital league game plus a team structure in Ulster v Armagh,PERSONALLY i think it could be a good time for a new voice however ONLY if can there is a suitable replacement that county board have ready(internally in county i cant think of many and not sure the ££ are there to attract top experienced county from other county) We have been lucky before with McGrath, Canavan before but gap between teams greater now so opportunity for success is certainly reduced. I think reaching division 2 was a good achievement and team were unlucky not too stay up, given players that have retired etc over last 2 years and when look at current panel, i think Division 3 is a fair reflection of where county team is now. If i was in Kieran Donnelly shoes after giving 3 years of 100% effort and looking ahead to 2025 it will be a tougher challenge to get promotion in league, so i wouldnt be surprised if he walks away , obviously not reaching semis of TC was a blow especially when see Laois making final, players need to take some responsibility for the collapse v Antrim. If Donnelly does stay, then its more for his love of the county, as a player and manager owes county nothing and it would be more for this than potential of success that keeps him motivated to continue. As said before, the Fermanagh senior team challenges is a much wider issue than team management, our youth structures, and development at minor and under 20 grades needs to improve(poor results highlight this in ulster over last 5 years), if players not progressing at high level of performance at minor/20s then how can we produce players ready to compete at senior inter-county, regardless of how the manager is. I did suggest getting some ex county players involved in development and underage squads to share their invaluable knowledge, experience and to inspire future players, likes of Marty McGrath, Barry Owens, Eoin Donnelly etc. The other huge part if creating top level environment for our players to develop from youth up to senior, in football, hurling and camogie, this is by ensuring coaches are resourced fully trained and providing them with facilities that are worthy of intercounty set-ups, which is why asked for update on the development at Lissan in previous post. Lunchtime so time to stir the pot here:-) macca999 (Fermanagh) - Posts: 1139 - 10/07/2024 13:04:50 2558203 Link 0 |
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Kieran Donnelly should remain as manager. He has brought a lot of young players in to the set up and has done well despite losing lots of good experienced players. They will have been very disappointed with relegation as played well in good few games and like you say it will a hard to get promotion this time around but then the players are a year older and wiser so who knows? The second half v Antrim was poor and ended the season badly. Is that the manager's fault? Don't think the whole blame can lie with him for that. hughieferm (Fermanagh) - Posts: 12 - 10/07/2024 16:42:12 2558240 Link 0 |
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Hughie, the points you raise are well known and spun out here particularly by that macca guy but what both of you don't seem to get is that a sizeable number of Fermanagh supporters wouldn't be in favour of Donnelly staying in post. The anger and disappointment as we left Brewster Park reflected that change of management must happen. The players that I'm aware of felt let down too by management. Donnelly has become liability just like Biden in that if either stay put then losing is a certainty. AuldGussie (Fermanagh) - Posts: 95 - 10/07/2024 23:33:39 2558298 Link 2 |
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Can you expand more on "The players that I'm aware of felt let down too by management.". It's interesting to hear what players close to the management think.
Itown1234 (Fermanagh) - Posts: 45 - 11/07/2024 09:16:15 2558322 Link 0 |
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Shamgael, if you think I'm going to undermine the confidence of some players, then you're more mistaken than I thought. You and Hughie seem to be in the minority, unable to see the failings of management. It's clear that there's little I can say to convince you both that Donnelly's departure is absolutely necessary for the team to start fresh under a new management team capable of turning Fermanagh's fortunes around. Even macca999, who is known for being a fence-sitter and a Donnelly supporter, made it clear after the Antrim game in his post on 16/06/2024 that Donnelly's exit is inevitable when he said, "After yesterday's capitulation, it is hard to see how Kieran Donnelly will stay on to lead the group." I bet the number of supporters like you and Hughie who seriously want Donnelly to continue could fit in a telephone kiosk, much like Mickey Harte's Derry leaving party. I rest my case. AuldGussie (Fermanagh) - Posts: 95 - 12/07/2024 09:53:18 2558494 Link 4 |
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First of all, it's a question, and you have the right to not answer. No one is undermining anyone; I was genuinely curious. Secondly, why suggest that my opinion is in the minority as if there's something wrong with it? At the end of the day, if we can bring in a suitable replacement, it won't bother me. I would like to see a fresh face if they have the necessary experience. My concern is that we might hire a manager who isn't ready for the intercounty level, in which case we should stick with Donnelly. You might call this "fence-sitting," but I think it's being logical. You seem to make a lot of assumptions about my opinion, which isn't the case. Just in case you had trouble understanding my comments, I'll outline them for you: Donnelly should go if we have a suitable replacement. End of discussion. Itown1234 (Fermanagh) - Posts: 45 - 12/07/2024 11:03:43 2558516 Link 0 |
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It dose not matter who is brought in, the player pool and ability is not there. If you put lipstick on a pig it's still a pig Blitzkrig (Fermanagh) - Posts: 40 - 12/07/2024 11:20:29 2558520 Link 5 |
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I love this comment! You know what they say about "less is more" and this two liner succinctly sums the situation that Fermanagh finds itself facing. The only thing I would add is that a change of boar would do no harm!
cillnaile. (Fermanagh) - Posts: 1006 - 12/07/2024 13:49:34 2558562 Link 1 |
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Changing the manager as it would 'do no harm' is hardly the best way to do things. A lot has been invested by this management I would imagine, so if it was to change it would need to be done out of necessity. At the end of the day I would say that players will have the final day as that's the way it seems to be done these days. hughieferm (Fermanagh) - Posts: 12 - 15/07/2024 14:26:18 2559297 Link 1 |
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Hughie, why should either the co board or the players choose to retain a loser? That's hardly positive thinking of an ambitious future for Fermanagh. As macca said, "it is hard to see how Kieran Donnelly will stay on to lead the group." If Donnelly is allowed to stay then you'll find that the Fermanagh followers will dwindle as will the gate returns and financial support will be impacted making the future bleak for the county. I still remain hopeful that logical thinking will prevail and that a new management team will be put place as it's the only sensible option in the dire circumstances the county finds itself in. AuldGussie (Fermanagh) - Posts: 95 - 16/07/2024 08:11:53 2559429 Link 2 |
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In other news, I've heard that Ultan Kelm is linked to a move back to Australia. This will be a massive blow for the upcoming season. You can't blame the lad for taking such an opportunity. The sun alone would be enough to get most of us out there. Itown1234 (Fermanagh) - Posts: 45 - 19/07/2024 10:04:17 2560022 Link 0 |