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Replying To moc.dna: ""The Galway way" hasn't existed for years.
Paul Conroy at 32 in his 14th year playing Senior Inter County is still Galway's best player because he has the basic skill level execution since he was a young lad, you can put Shane Walsh now in his 10th year in that category as well. They are the exception because they came from a time where the emphasis on skills was to the forefront.
Galway Football Board, Coaching Officers & all M'ment teams approx 8 or 9 years ago decided to concentrate on producing athletes with high fitness levels (skill was secondary) which worked fine at underage but got badly exposed at Senior County level. As a result we have lads playing for Galway who are one sided, unable to use their weaker hand or foot. Basic skill execution is poor, I have watched lads solo the ball into the opposing players hands, unable to kick a ball over the bar from 20 mtrs, place kickers unable to rise the ball, get dispossessed when on their weak side. So that process of producing athletes over skillful players hasn't worked & wont work. Every county aped the Donegal / Jimmy Mc Guiness model / basketball model for years but attacking football is returning & the successful teams now are those with the skilful forwards, the Kerry's, Tyrone's & Armagh's. You reap what you sow." Spot on and add to the multitude of teams in senior ranks diluting the standard with inferior football and you have an environment continuing to bring down standards
12 senior teams and work from there down.
handpassking (Galway) - Posts: 438 - 09/04/2022 14:10:44
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Replying To moc.dna: ""The Galway way" hasn't existed for years.
Paul Conroy at 32 in his 14th year playing Senior Inter County is still Galway's best player because he has the basic skill level execution since he was a young lad, you can put Shane Walsh now in his 10th year in that category as well. They are the exception because they came from a time where the emphasis on skills was to the forefront.
Galway Football Board, Coaching Officers & all M'ment teams approx 8 or 9 years ago decided to concentrate on producing athletes with high fitness levels (skill was secondary) which worked fine at underage but got badly exposed at Senior County level. As a result we have lads playing for Galway who are one sided, unable to use their weaker hand or foot. Basic skill execution is poor, I have watched lads solo the ball into the opposing players hands, unable to kick a ball over the bar from 20 mtrs, place kickers unable to rise the ball, get dispossessed when on their weak side. So that process of producing athletes over skillful players hasn't worked & wont work. Every county aped the Donegal / Jimmy Mc Guiness model / basketball model for years but attacking football is returning & the successful teams now are those with the skilful forwards, the Kerry's, Tyrone's & Armagh's. You reap what you sow." I would'nt always agree with everything you post moc.dna but in this instance your spot on. Its probably even worse at adult club level where a plethora of coaches/gurus/fat little fellows with beards are spending hours handpassing back and over and, devising complex tactics and all the while ignoring,,as you say ,the basic skills.I mean God help you if you actually decide to kick a ball.I recently saw a young fella being berated by a 'coach' for attempting to shoot from inside the 21,he wanted him to pass it sideways so a teammate could palm it into the net ,something which is becoming an increasingly common method of scoring a goal ,and in all probability should be removed from the game as football it is not. The problem is all these experts will point to statistics to back themselves and they will probably be right ,but in the meantime the game as a spectacle is going to hell as evidenced by what we saw on Wednesday evening
UtahBlaine (Galway) - Posts: 153 - 09/04/2022 14:55:14
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Replying To UtahBlaine: "I would'nt always agree with everything you post moc.dna but in this instance your spot on. Its probably even worse at adult club level where a plethora of coaches/gurus/fat little fellows with beards are spending hours handpassing back and over and, devising complex tactics and all the while ignoring,,as you say ,the basic skills.I mean God help you if you actually decide to kick a ball.I recently saw a young fella being berated by a 'coach' for attempting to shoot from inside the 21,he wanted him to pass it sideways so a teammate could palm it into the net ,something which is becoming an increasingly common method of scoring a goal ,and in all probability should be removed from the game as football it is not. The problem is all these experts will point to statistics to back themselves and they will probably be right ,but in the meantime the game as a spectacle is going to hell as evidenced by what we saw on Wednesday evening" The only question I have on all this are other counties doing something different in 'teaching' the basic skills. I mean as far as I can see gaelic football by and large is coached as a possession, keep ball first game and that is not just in Galway. Generally speaking go to any other forum and plenty are bemoaning the poor development programmes within their own county. The reality is we were spoilt in the 1990's with brilliant football across the country but anyone who recalls the finals of the late eighties it was like watching two different sports.
kiloughter (Galway) - Posts: 1992 - 09/04/2022 15:30:12
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Replying To Gaa_lover: "No floodlights in venues for both semi finals on Wednesday. A ground with just a 500 seater stand is one thing thats wrong with Connacht COE." I was at the game last Wednesday and it wouldn't have been playable without floodlights. Obviously MacHale park would be more comfortable for spectators but it's currently unavailable. Don't see anything wrong with Bekan as a backup venue.
MayoDan (Mayo) - Posts: 486 - 09/04/2022 16:43:17
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Replying To kiloughter: "The only question I have on all this are other counties doing something different in 'teaching' the basic skills. I mean as far as I can see gaelic football by and large is coached as a possession, keep ball first game and that is not just in Galway. Generally speaking go to any other forum and plenty are bemoaning the poor development programmes within their own county. The reality is we were spoilt in the 1990's with brilliant football across the country but anyone who recalls the finals of the late eighties it was like watching two different sports." Hard to disagree with you although I wouldn't use the U20 game as a barometer as the conditions were a bad a I've seen and we've had plenty of windy days!
I think underage squad managers need to have measurable development targets set. Athletic ability is one but skill levels are another. Obviously the targets would be more detailed and incremental to the age groups.
Success in the underage national competitions gets to much focus and the program seems to fit around them.
Mayonman (Galway) - Posts: 1928 - 09/04/2022 17:38:57
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Replying To AnCrúiscínLán: "It's not all doom and gloom. We won a lot of league matches and earned promotion. I'd be hoping for Gallagher and Culhane to come through. I'd love to see the sawdoctors play before the match in Castlebar. A rousing rendition of "Joyce Country Ceili Band" before throw-in would gee-up the players and supporters no end...."Tommy K, Tommy K,...."" Culhane? Are you serious, the lad is not a senior IC forward and way off, very exposed during the u20 game
Sportsfanatic90 (Westmeath) - Posts: 234 - 09/04/2022 18:58:47
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Replying To AnCrúiscínLán: "It's not all doom and gloom. We won a lot of league matches and earned promotion. I'd be hoping for Gallagher and Culhane to come through. I'd love to see the sawdoctors play before the match in Castlebar. A rousing rendition of "Joyce Country Ceili Band" before throw-in would gee-up the players and supporters no end...."Tommy K, Tommy K,...."" They keep annoying me with that song! lol
tommy k (Galway) - Posts: 3470 - 09/04/2022 19:03:07
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Replying To UtahBlaine: "I would'nt always agree with everything you post moc.dna but in this instance your spot on. Its probably even worse at adult club level where a plethora of coaches/gurus/fat little fellows with beards are spending hours handpassing back and over and, devising complex tactics and all the while ignoring,,as you say ,the basic skills.I mean God help you if you actually decide to kick a ball.I recently saw a young fella being berated by a 'coach' for attempting to shoot from inside the 21,he wanted him to pass it sideways so a teammate could palm it into the net ,something which is becoming an increasingly common method of scoring a goal ,and in all probability should be removed from the game as football it is not. The problem is all these experts will point to statistics to back themselves and they will probably be right ,but in the meantime the game as a spectacle is going to hell as evidenced by what we saw on Wednesday evening" 100% correct in everything you say our club has been doing the same thing getting in outside coaches expecting a country title the coach moves on after a season or two and low and behold he is back again after failing somewhere else I know of one very promising young footballer that packed in the game because of the boredom of continuous hand passing and being berated for kicking the ball
minor77 (Galway) - Posts: 281 - 09/04/2022 22:03:54
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Replying To Galway4ever: "As we are in the final weeks of this current management team's tenure I think it's time to take stock and see where we are and where we're going with our county football team set up.
It's fair to say we haven't been competitive these last 18 years, and apart from beating Kerry in a non knockout game in the super 8s haven't had a big C'ship Croke Park win in over 2O years.
I believe we've 7 different management teams since O'Mahoney with varying degrees of success/failures with Connacht titles been the finest moments without ever really threatening a serious bid for Sam Maguire.
18 plus years of failure/underachievement has further been highlighted by a period that Mayo seem to be able to contest for AI honors practically every year, even if Mayo haven't closed the deal on winning it out they have had some run winning big games at headquarters regularly while we sit on our hands and talk about the old days.
Clearly it is the responsibility of the county board to create an environment where our county team can succeed and unfortunately we have been sadly wanting in that department for years. The appointment of PJ been another example where we hire a man with zero experience at team management at any level and expect success. KW despite his shortcomings at least served his time coaching and managing teams up through the ranks before he got the Galway job, the same same can't be said about PJ.
We also have to reevaluate what the term 'the Galway way' means, we like to see our selves as skillful attacking footballers but in reality we are seen as a soft touch when it really matters.
To have realistic aspersions of going deep into the c'ship consistently we need to focus on developing strong, fast athletic footballers which is not or has not been our priority for quite some time.
When this current campaign ends which I have no doubt will be in disappointment and regrets in a few weeks there will be an instant move to blame PJ and remove him when the problems are more deep rooted and widespread. There is a clear disconnect between the county board and the senior football team setup and it's well time to seriously discuss what direction we need to go be consistently competitive at inter county level.
North v West Board or Pearce Stadium v Tuam pettiness should be left out of any discourse as we are all in this together.
Thoughts??" Some great points there home truths for sure
Just looking at what Mayo are doing with their young players
Since James Horan has come back in there is a clear development plan
He has over seen the development of so many young payers into senior
While at the same time reaching 2 all ireland finals
I presume hes working with the players clubs too as part of it
rhudson (Galway) - Posts: 1478 - 10/04/2022 11:14:44
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Corofin beating Mountbellew by 20 points is a big result in the league last night. Where the county players available?
GDL (Galway) - Posts: 863 - 10/04/2022 11:24:57
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Replying To MayoDan: "I was at the game last Wednesday and it wouldn't have been playable without floodlights. Obviously MacHale park would be more comfortable for spectators but it's currently unavailable. Don't see anything wrong with Bekan as a backup venue." Then play the game earlier in the day to make it playable elsewhere. On this Wednesday Mayo v Leitrim will be played in Páirc Seán Mac Diarmada and Sligo v Roscommon played in Markievicz Park both grounds do not have floodlights.
The Connacht GAA centre outside venue has just a 500 seated capacity in their covered stand, many supporters was standing in the rain and wind last Wednesday and you don't see anything wrong with that?
Its a venue for U14,U16 and younger aged groups whereby mainly just family members attend, its not suited for inter county U20 championship games that attracts many thousands.
Gaa_lover (USA) - Posts: 3734 - 10/04/2022 13:51:22
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Replying To Gaa_lover: "Then play the game earlier in the day to make it playable elsewhere. On this Wednesday Mayo v Leitrim will be played in Páirc Seán Mac Diarmada and Sligo v Roscommon played in Markievicz Park both grounds do not have floodlights.
The Connacht GAA centre outside venue has just a 500 seated capacity in their covered stand, many supporters was standing in the rain and wind last Wednesday and you don't see anything wrong with that?
Its a venue for U14,U16 and younger aged groups whereby mainly just family members attend, its not suited for inter county U20 championship games that attracts many thousands." Due to the storm/rain, floodlights were needed in the first half last Wednesday. How early can the game be played realistically on a weekday? Majority of supporters wouldn't be able to attend due to work.
It's not unusual in the GAA for some supporters to be standing out in the wind and rain. I was in Sligo, Clones & Carrick on Shannon during the league this year and on each occasion the stand was full by the time I arrived. So I went to the uncovered side of the grounds.
MayoDan (Mayo) - Posts: 486 - 10/04/2022 14:56:44
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Replying To GDL: "Corofin beating Mountbellew by 20 points is a big result in the league last night. Where the county players available?" Wouldnt be reading too much into the result. MM missing the 7 suspended players plus county panellists. Corofin missing county county players too but corofn have more strength in depth to over absences .
anotheralias (Galway) - Posts: 1002 - 10/04/2022 15:03:45
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Replying To MayoDan: "Due to the storm/rain, floodlights were needed in the first half last Wednesday. How early can the game be played realistically on a weekday? Majority of supporters wouldn't be able to attend due to work.
It's not unusual in the GAA for some supporters to be standing out in the wind and rain. I was in Sligo, Clones & Carrick on Shannon during the league this year and on each occasion the stand was full by the time I arrived. So I went to the uncovered side of the grounds." The games this weekend are played at 6:30 pm. All the grounds you named there can accommodate a lot more than 500 in a covered stand.
Gaa_lover (USA) - Posts: 3734 - 10/04/2022 16:01:54
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Replying To Gaa_lover: "Then play the game earlier in the day to make it playable elsewhere. On this Wednesday Mayo v Leitrim will be played in Páirc Seán Mac Diarmada and Sligo v Roscommon played in Markievicz Park both grounds do not have floodlights.
The Connacht GAA centre outside venue has just a 500 seated capacity in their covered stand, many supporters was standing in the rain and wind last Wednesday and you don't see anything wrong with that?
Its a venue for U14,U16 and younger aged groups whereby mainly just family members attend, its not suited for inter county U20 championship games that attracts many thousands." Many thousands? I don't think so.
ponga (Mayo) - Posts: 658 - 10/04/2022 16:11:43
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Replying To Gaa_lover: "The games this weekend are played at 6:30 pm. All the grounds you named there can accommodate a lot more than 500 in a covered stand." Well let's hope the weather isn't like last Wednesday, otherwise visibility will be very poor. It's all relative - if Bekan is completely unsuitable for an U20 game because 400 odd people have to stand on the sideline, how can it be okay having several thousand standing in the open at national league games?
Anyway, my original point is that Bekan is a perfectly fine U20 venue for the 1 year in 12 that MacHale park is out of commission!
MayoDan (Mayo) - Posts: 486 - 10/04/2022 17:27:08
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Replying To ponga: "Many thousands? I don't think so." The final will attract a few thousands there was roughly 1,500 in attendance last Wednesday the venue and weather turned plenty away.
You,MayoDan or anyone else must have a share in the place if you think that venue is fine for such of a game.
Gaa_lover (USA) - Posts: 3734 - 10/04/2022 20:49:02
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Replying To MayoDan: "Well let's hope the weather isn't like last Wednesday, otherwise visibility will be very poor. It's all relative - if Bekan is completely unsuitable for an U20 game because 400 odd people have to stand on the sideline, how can it be okay having several thousand standing in the open at national league games?
Anyway, my original point is that Bekan is a perfectly fine U20 venue for the 1 year in 12 that MacHale park is out of commission!" I have no issue with the venue, but I would question whether the game should go ahead in conditions like that.
When the wind is gusting like that, it makes it almost impossible to play. It was a shocking game between 2 teams who have a good number of talented players.
With the competition being straight knockout, it's tough on a set of players who've prepared for months that their only outing is unplayable conditions.
WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2447 - 10/04/2022 21:04:48
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Connacht council is a disgrace for letting a fixture go ahead with 2 potential All-Ireland winning sides. They have no respect.
I would disband the Connacht council and let HQ take over.
suckvalleypaddy (Galway) - Posts: 1759 - 10/04/2022 21:31:14
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Replying To Gaa_lover: "Then play the game earlier in the day to make it playable elsewhere. On this Wednesday Mayo v Leitrim will be played in Páirc Seán Mac Diarmada and Sligo v Roscommon played in Markievicz Park both grounds do not have floodlights.
The Connacht GAA centre outside venue has just a 500 seated capacity in their covered stand, many supporters was standing in the rain and wind last Wednesday and you don't see anything wrong with that?
Its a venue for U14,U16 and younger aged groups whereby mainly just family members attend, its not suited for inter county U20 championship games that attracts many thousands." Its a training centre and no more. Fine if you want to play under age games there but IMO you;re better off playing in traditional club pitches.
lowballplease (Galway) - Posts: 935 - 11/04/2022 07:57:08
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