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Replying To crankyincorofin: "We should just start the Dunmore 15 for Galway seeing as our goalkeeper has been such an unqualified success." Could nt b any worse dan a team with da likes of power and Ian burke starting Dunmore10 (Galway) - Posts: 149 - 13/09/2023 16:02:04 2504179 Link
From what we have just heard Dunmore's appeal was successful and the 3 teams are going into a hat first 2 out will play each other and then the winner plays the 3rd team and then winner of that plays Claregalway, at least all teams will get a fair chance again i suppose, Fox.1n.7he.b0x (Galway) - Posts: 135 - 13/09/2023 16:46:44 2504185 Link
Replying To Fox.1n.7he.b0x: "From what we have just heard Dunmore's appeal was successful and the 3 teams are going into a hat first 2 out will play each other and then the winner plays the 3rd team and then winner of that plays Claregalway, at least all teams will get a fair chance again i suppose," What was the basis of the appeal? Alwaysencourage (Galway) - Posts: 372 - 13/09/2023 17:36:02 2504190 Link
Replying To Fox.1n.7he.b0x: "From what we have just heard Dunmore's appeal was successful and the 3 teams are going into a hat first 2 out will play each other and then the winner plays the 3rd team and then winner of that plays Claregalway, at least all teams will get a fair chance again i suppose," Was it not fair the first time? Galwaymaster9 (Galway) - Posts: 397 - 13/09/2023 18:00:53 2504197 Link
What was the basis for the appeal? Gaillimh_Abu (Galway) - Posts: 1016 - 13/09/2023 18:43:31 2504204 Link
Replying To Gaillimh_Abu: "What was the basis for the appeal?" As far as I can see its to do with new rule about teams on equal points and points difference dividing them.Dunmore played Monivea and beat them by about 20 points but Monivea pulled out of all other games.I think that game was discarded from the 3 teams that tied on points and this left Dunmore out of play offs.Maybe there was some other objection but that's the most obvious one. Alwaysencourage (Galway) - Posts: 372 - 13/09/2023 19:41:10 2504207 Link
Replying To Gaillimh_Abu: "What was the basis for the appeal?" I am only hearing 2nd hand but from what I gather that when monivea pulled out of the competition then there should have been a rule change to the results and that was not applied, also I have been told that they are meeting the Connacht council tomorrow night, Fox.1n.7he.b0x (Galway) - Posts: 135 - 13/09/2023 21:30:07 2504216 Link
Replying To Gaillimh_Abu: "What was the basis for the appeal?" Okay. So the reason for the appeal is the change in ruling this year when more than 2 teams are level on points, Up to this year the rule was that in this case the 1st tiebreaker was points difference and the second tie-breaker was points for. This year the GAA HQ changed this to basically applying a mini league between the ted teams and the 1st tie breaker is match points earned ( i.e 2 for a win , 1 for a draw) in the games between the teams in question. 2nd tiebreaker being points difference in the games in question in the mini league, with third tie breaker being points for ( again in the mini league). The problem is that the GAA in stating this did give county boards an opportunity to over-ride this directive and stay with the original method. As it transpired in this u19 group under the new rule Corofin and Tuam progress and Dunmore are eliminated. Under the old rule Dunmore and Corofin would have progressed with Tuam eliminated. Now on one hand you would say that the new rules are the new rules, but this is where it gets hazy. A recent announcement by county board has stated that the while the senior hurling championship is operating under the new rules but that the senior football championship is still operating using the old rules as the parameters of the football competition were adopted pre Congress. I dont recall the county board being clear about this pre competition start( maybe they were) but the fear I have is that any situation whereby the application of the 2 different methods lead to a different outcome will result in a similar appeal ( and probably a similar result) The one scenario I foresee/fear in the senior championship is in Group 3 if Tuam beat Mountbellew and Claregalway beat Dunmore, then Dunmore, St Michaels and Tuam will all have 3 points. In this case under the old rule ( which is seemingly the one they are applying) the table will finish 3. Tuam 4. Dunmore 5. St Michaels But under the new rule ( if it had been applied) it would be 3. St Michaels 4. Dunmore 5. Tuam Appeals to follow? anotheralias (Galway) - Posts: 960 - 14/09/2023 08:55:03 2504227 Link
Replying To anotheralias: "Okay. So the reason for the appeal is the change in ruling this year when more than 2 teams are level on points, Up to this year the rule was that in this case the 1st tiebreaker was points difference and the second tie-breaker was points for. This year the GAA HQ changed this to basically applying a mini league between the ted teams and the 1st tie breaker is match points earned ( i.e 2 for a win , 1 for a draw) in the games between the teams in question. 2nd tiebreaker being points difference in the games in question in the mini league, with third tie breaker being points for ( again in the mini league). The problem is that the GAA in stating this did give county boards an opportunity to over-ride this directive and stay with the original method. As it transpired in this u19 group under the new rule Corofin and Tuam progress and Dunmore are eliminated. Under the old rule Dunmore and Corofin would have progressed with Tuam eliminated. Now on one hand you would say that the new rules are the new rules, but this is where it gets hazy. A recent announcement by county board has stated that the while the senior hurling championship is operating under the new rules but that the senior football championship is still operating using the old rules as the parameters of the football competition were adopted pre Congress. I dont recall the county board being clear about this pre competition start( maybe they were) but the fear I have is that any situation whereby the application of the 2 different methods lead to a different outcome will result in a similar appeal ( and probably a similar result) The one scenario I foresee/fear in the senior championship is in Group 3 if Tuam beat Mountbellew and Claregalway beat Dunmore, then Dunmore, St Michaels and Tuam will all have 3 points. In this case under the old rule ( which is seemingly the one they are applying) the table will finish 3. Tuam 4. Dunmore 5. St Michaels But under the new rule ( if it had been applied) it would be 3. St Michaels 4. Dunmore 5. Tuam Appeals to follow?" No need to worry about this rule affecting senior championship. Tuam haven't a hope of beating Mountbellew galway19 (Galway) - Posts: 806 - 14/09/2023 10:09:06 2504235 Link
Replying To galway19: "No need to worry about this rule affecting senior championship. Tuam haven't a hope of beating Mountbellew" You could be correct in that , but if I was the powers that be I would try to ensure that potentially impacted parties are aware in advance and there is clarity in the strategy... even if that the strategy is that ,in light of the confusion, that there would be a play of between Tuam and Michael's. Because sure as hell, if it happens, it has the potential to delay the whole championship with objections. To be honest if I was the county board rather than wait and hope that results prevent the scenario happening , I would issue a statement now. along the following lines. "...in light of some confusion in relation to rule the county board have decided that should the alternative rules lead to a situation where 2 teams in Group 3 feel that they have gained the 3rd spot and progression to preliminary QF, then by exception both teams shall progress where they will play the 3rd placed teams in Groups 1 & 2." Might meet with some resistance but I think it's pragmatic and would avoid a play off prior to prelim QF .It would have to be done pre final group games to be fair to a potentially impacted team in Group 1 or 2. Might still lead to objections though , but in my opinion any team that finishes third in a group should be delighted with the opportunity to play a prelim QF and try to get their act in gear prior to meeting a stronger team in the QF. anotheralias (Galway) - Posts: 960 - 14/09/2023 12:18:36 2504249 Link
Replying To anotheralias: "You could be correct in that , but if I was the powers that be I would try to ensure that potentially impacted parties are aware in advance and there is clarity in the strategy... even if that the strategy is that ,in light of the confusion, that there would be a play of between Tuam and Michael's. Because sure as hell, if it happens, it has the potential to delay the whole championship with objections. To be honest if I was the county board rather than wait and hope that results prevent the scenario happening , I would issue a statement now. along the following lines. "...in light of some confusion in relation to rule the county board have decided that should the alternative rules lead to a situation where 2 teams in Group 3 feel that they have gained the 3rd spot and progression to preliminary QF, then by exception both teams shall progress where they will play the 3rd placed teams in Groups 1 & 2." Might meet with some resistance but I think it's pragmatic and would avoid a play off prior to prelim QF .It would have to be done pre final group games to be fair to a potentially impacted team in Group 1 or 2. Might still lead to objections though , but in my opinion any team that finishes third in a group should be delighted with the opportunity to play a prelim QF and try to get their act in gear prior to meeting a stronger team in the QF." That's all great but who would be in last place then for relegation then?? As from what I gather dunmore would finish 4th either way?? It should be sorted now as it could hold up the championship and that's the last thing we all want! Fox.1n.7he.b0x (Galway) - Posts: 135 - 14/09/2023 13:15:41 2504256 Link
Just realised a fundamental flaw with my suggestion....who would go in to relegation. I fear we will end up with a play off prior to the prelim QF. Winner into prelim QF, loser in to relegation anotheralias (Galway) - Posts: 960 - 14/09/2023 13:54:20 2504260 Link
Replying To Alwaysencourage: "As far as I can see its to do with new rule about teams on equal points and points difference dividing them.Dunmore played Monivea and beat them by about 20 points but Monivea pulled out of all other games.I think that game was discarded from the 3 teams that tied on points and this left Dunmore out of play offs.Maybe there was some other objection but that's the most obvious one." What left Dunmore out was they were bet by 5 points by Corofin, Tuam beat Corofin by 2, Dunmore beat tuam by 1 .. Dunmore even posted on their socials after there defeat that they were out and thanked the management.. Then they pulled the post and decided to appeal.. All teams knew the situation going into last game.. Dunmore still were not happy despite getting well bet... Galwaymaster9 (Galway) - Posts: 397 - 14/09/2023 15:25:12 2504270 Link
Are we scheduled to play London in 2024? If so does anyone know the fixture details? Mayonman (Galway) - Posts: 1894 - 14/09/2023 15:41:33 2504273 Link
Replying To Galwaymaster9: "What left Dunmore out was they were bet by 5 points by Corofin, Tuam beat Corofin by 2, Dunmore beat tuam by 1 .. Dunmore even posted on their socials after there defeat that they were out and thanked the management.. Then they pulled the post and decided to appeal.. All teams knew the situation going into last game.. Dunmore still were not happy despite getting well bet..." I think that prompted Dunmore to appeal was the realisation that the county board were mixing and matching the interpretation of the GAA HQ ruling. One rule for senior and a different one for u19...and if the senior rule was applied in u19 . I dont blame them one bit. Ultimately it doesn't matter as the final will be between Claregalway and Killanin anotheralias (Galway) - Posts: 960 - 14/09/2023 15:51:12 2504274 Link
Replying To Fox.1n.7he.b0x: "I am only hearing 2nd hand but from what I gather that when monivea pulled out of the competition then there should have been a rule change to the results and that was not applied, also I have been told that they are meeting the Connacht council tomorrow night," My understanding as well is that appealed to Galway and lost and have now appealed to Connacht Council which will be heard this week?? fairplay4ever (Galway) - Posts: 429 - 14/09/2023 16:44:44 2504281 Link
Replying To anotheralias: "I think that prompted Dunmore to appeal was the realisation that the county board were mixing and matching the interpretation of the GAA HQ ruling. One rule for senior and a different one for u19...and if the senior rule was applied in u19 . I dont blame them one bit. Ultimately it doesn't matter as the final will be between Claregalway and Killanin" The word out there is that parents and players had accepted they were out and its the management who are driving the appeal.(I'm open to correction as got that second hand) .Understand there is a decent amount of them on the senior panel and I'd say the last think Gary Delaney needs is a long drawn out process with an appeal going to CP, fairplay4ever (Galway) - Posts: 429 - 14/09/2023 16:49:34 2504284 Link
Replying To fairplay4ever: "The word out there is that parents and players had accepted they were out and its the management who are driving the appeal.(I'm open to correction as got that second hand) .Understand there is a decent amount of them on the senior panel and I'd say the last think Gary Delaney needs is a long drawn out process with an appeal going to CP," Understood. I also want to clarify something that I said in error on an earlier post. I hadnt done enough research. I hadnt realised that Monivea had defaulted on a few games ( disgraceful that a team is deemed good enough for A and then cant field - I dont accept it to be honest) . This meant that under the old rule all results v Monivea are cancelled and Dunmore would have lost out regardless of which rule, so I dont know what the grounds for appeal were. Sorry again if I misled people. My point re the potential conundrum in Senior is still valid though... anotheralias (Galway) - Posts: 960 - 15/09/2023 11:04:25 2504327 Link
Dunmore knew well the scenario going into last game... Their game v Corofin was initially moved from an earlier date so it would be played at the same time as the Tuam Claregalway game... As I stated previously someone in Dunmore made the embarrassing desicion after to launch this appeal... Galwaymaster9 (Galway) - Posts: 397 - 15/09/2023 12:24:32 2504339 Link
Replying To fairplay4ever: "The word out there is that parents and players had accepted they were out and its the management who are driving the appeal.(I'm open to correction as got that second hand) .Understand there is a decent amount of them on the senior panel and I'd say the last think Gary Delaney needs is a long drawn out process with an appeal going to CP," Hearing appeal lost but not 100% on the source just yet. If correct will Dunmore continue on the path to CP. fairplay4ever (Galway) - Posts: 429 - 15/09/2023 14:17:14 2504362 Link