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Surprised enough at the Tuam result. Did anyone see the Moycullen game? It wasn't on the player.

Gearoid1998ffowaed (Galway) - Posts: 132 - 10/09/2023 23:50:04    2503693

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Replying To Gearoid1998ffowaed:  "Surprised enough at the Tuam result. Did anyone see the Moycullen game? It wasn't on the player."
Yes no sign of cooke kelly not togged either. In complete control in first half and just fell asleep and let a very poor side back into it. Score line doesn't do it justice. The big players will time their run, i expect to see Cooke and Kelly in the last round v annaghdown for game time before knockout fball.

Big surprise in Tuam, it looks like caherlistrane and either spiddal and lettermore in relegation then either spiddal lettermore, salthill oughterard and Tuam to make up the other 2 in the group of 4

Sportsfanatic90 (Westmeath) - Posts: 226 - 11/09/2023 07:44:21    2503700

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A very bad championship for the shams. Clipped by Claregalway, draw with a bad Michaels team and then a deserved loss in a derby to a team just up from intermediate. They have Mountbellew in the last game and they will not be winning that. Relegation after losing a league final on penalties back in May. Shows what a different beast championship is. Dunmore will be massively buoyed after their most recent 2 games. Could still finish up in 2nd place in that group.

MapleSyrup (Galway) - Posts: 165 - 11/09/2023 10:11:15    2503725

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A little bit of clarity re the quarter finalists after the weekend.
Guaranteed Quarter Finalists are
Moycullen, Corofin, Mountbellew

If we make an assumption that Barna dont beat Corofin then you can add
St James, Milltown
to that list
So that leaves 3 QF slots . 2 teams direct to QF and 2 into prelim QF.
The winner of Claregalway and Dunmore will take 1 of the QF slots.
The other direct slot will be Salthill if they win or draw v Oughterard . If Oughterard win then it could be them but more likely it would be Killanin if they beat Caherlistrane.

The 2 teams into prelim QF is a bit more complicated as apart from the 3 teams guaranteed into the QF and Tuam, Caherlistrane , Annaghdown , Spiddal and Leitir Mor the other 9 teams could end up in a prelim QF

anotheralias (Galway) - Posts: 960 - 11/09/2023 10:43:08    2503734

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Replying To anotheralias:  "A little bit of clarity re the quarter finalists after the weekend.
Guaranteed Quarter Finalists are
Moycullen, Corofin, Mountbellew

If we make an assumption that Barna dont beat Corofin then you can add
St James, Milltown
to that list
So that leaves 3 QF slots . 2 teams direct to QF and 2 into prelim QF.
The winner of Claregalway and Dunmore will take 1 of the QF slots.
The other direct slot will be Salthill if they win or draw v Oughterard . If Oughterard win then it could be them but more likely it would be Killanin if they beat Caherlistrane.

The 2 teams into prelim QF is a bit more complicated as apart from the 3 teams guaranteed into the QF and Tuam, Caherlistrane , Annaghdown , Spiddal and Leitir Mor the other 9 teams could end up in a prelim QF"
There surely is no prelim QFs? Tuam "home of football" looking at a relegation dog fight. Lmore but up a spirited showing against a Moycullen team who have plenty of firepwoer to ocmeback Cooke Kelly etc & looked like they took foot off the gas. I see it between Moycullen & Corofin. Spiddal look destined for the drop & may be joined by their fellow connemara men in Lmore. Tuam will get out of it but need het their act together. Caherlistrane & Oughterard also in danger. A sign of times in the west as Carraroe in the relgation in inter after dropping from senior last year.

Eire89 (Galway) - Posts: 304 - 11/09/2023 11:22:19    2503750

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Replying To anotheralias:  "A little bit of clarity re the quarter finalists after the weekend.
Guaranteed Quarter Finalists are
Moycullen, Corofin, Mountbellew

If we make an assumption that Barna dont beat Corofin then you can add
St James, Milltown
to that list
So that leaves 3 QF slots . 2 teams direct to QF and 2 into prelim QF.
The winner of Claregalway and Dunmore will take 1 of the QF slots.
The other direct slot will be Salthill if they win or draw v Oughterard . If Oughterard win then it could be them but more likely it would be Killanin if they beat Caherlistrane.

The 2 teams into prelim QF is a bit more complicated as apart from the 3 teams guaranteed into the QF and Tuam, Caherlistrane , Annaghdown , Spiddal and Leitir Mor the other 9 teams could end up in a prelim QF"
Milltown deserve to qualify on the balance of their results. Can't see Barna beating Corofin so that will help them.

I think Claregalway should beat Dunmore although the Jack Glynn injury won't help. Probably just a bit too much quality on the Claregalway side.

I will give up going to games if Tuam can beat Mountbellew. They are so poor and it looks like Mountbellew will have pretty much their full 15 ready for this game. They had the extra week off as well to rest up. Can only see a comfortable win there.

Who knows what Salthill will do against Oughterard. Oughterard play exactly the style of football that Salthill struggle against. That will be another dogged affair.

galway19 (Galway) - Posts: 806 - 11/09/2023 11:25:26    2503752

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Intermediate preliminary quarter finals

Micheal Breathnach v Williamstown
Cortoon Shamrocks v Oranmore Maree
St Brendan's v Clifden
Caltra v St Gabriel's

Group Winners

Glenamaddy
Monivea Abbey
Kilconly
Oileain Arann

Intermediate relegation play-offs

An Cheathru Rua v Corofin B
Killererin v Kilkerrin-Clonberne

Marooned (Galway) - Posts: 2302 - 11/09/2023 11:37:08    2503755

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Replying To Marooned:  "Intermediate preliminary quarter finals

Micheal Breathnach v Williamstown
Cortoon Shamrocks v Oranmore Maree
St Brendan's v Clifden
Caltra v St Gabriel's

Group Winners

Glenamaddy
Monivea Abbey
Kilconly
Oileain Arann

Intermediate relegation play-offs

An Cheathru Rua v Corofin B
Killererin v Kilkerrin-Clonberne"
3 clubs who were senior until recently in contention for relegation to Junior. At least 1 , and probably 2 of the 3 will be relegated.
The common theme. Rural clubs , greater than 30km from Galway city.
It's no disrespect to these 3 proud clubs, but that's the way it has been trending for some time, and others will follow.

anotheralias (Galway) - Posts: 960 - 11/09/2023 12:18:33    2503771

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Championship 2033.
If current trends continue the senior championship will be even more city centred in 10 years time.
I expect the following 10 teams to be the core Senior sides
Salthill
St Michaels
St James
Barna
Claregalway
Oranmore
Moycullen
Corofin
Annaghdown
Tuam

The remaining 6 will probably be pulled from
Killanin, Oughterard, Spiddal, Monivea, Mountbellew, Dunmore, Milltown
but these will all be just about hanging on to senior status.

As a traditionalist , I hope I am wrong and I hope that some of the rural clubs can continue to complete at levels above their relative population but I think any major success from this group would be a rare exception... Amalgamations/Regional sides to follow ?

anotheralias (Galway) - Posts: 960 - 11/09/2023 12:47:15    2503783

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Replying To anotheralias:  "3 clubs who were senior until recently in contention for relegation to Junior. At least 1 , and probably 2 of the 3 will be relegated.
The common theme. Rural clubs , greater than 30km from Galway city.
It's no disrespect to these 3 proud clubs, but that's the way it has been trending for some time, and others will follow."
Saw 3 games at weekend, Claregalway V Micheals , Dunmore V Tuam and Killererin V St Gabriel's.

Claregalway are improving and while they are a bit below the top 2 or 3, they will hard to beat. Tuam are stuck at the same level for a few years now and its not a great sign that Gary is still the best player they have. Dunmore to their credit are never bet. The shams horsed them out of for long periods but the Dunmores had the couple of natural forwards to make the difference. Great to see them on the up again. There was broad agreement among both sets of supporters and the Corofin stewards on duty that Killererin V Gabriel's was likely the worst game of football ever played. Apart from kickouts and frees the ball was probably not kicked more than 10 times.

giveitlong (Galway) - Posts: 1258 - 11/09/2023 14:08:41    2503814

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Replying To Sportsfanatic90:  "Yes no sign of cooke kelly not togged either. In complete control in first half and just fell asleep and let a very poor side back into it. Score line doesn't do it justice. The big players will time their run, i expect to see Cooke and Kelly in the last round v annaghdown for game time before knockout fball.

Big surprise in Tuam, it looks like caherlistrane and either spiddal and lettermore in relegation then either spiddal lettermore, salthill oughterard and Tuam to make up the other 2 in the group of 4"
I say it's a Corofin Moycullen final at this stage. A lot of games to play yet tho and it's all on the day. I saw Moycullen were missing their goalie too but nothing seems to be a problem to them. Lots of good players on the bench.

Gearoid1998ffowaed (Galway) - Posts: 132 - 11/09/2023 14:09:07    2503816

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Replying To anotheralias:  "Championship 2033.
If current trends continue the senior championship will be even more city centred in 10 years time.
I expect the following 10 teams to be the core Senior sides
Salthill
St Michaels
St James
Barna
Claregalway
Oranmore
Moycullen
Corofin
Annaghdown
Tuam

The remaining 6 will probably be pulled from
Killanin, Oughterard, Spiddal, Monivea, Mountbellew, Dunmore, Milltown
but these will all be just about hanging on to senior status.

As a traditionalist , I hope I am wrong and I hope that some of the rural clubs can continue to complete at levels above their relative population but I think any major success from this group would be a rare exception... Amalgamations/Regional sides to follow ?"
Well, what is a traditionalist? Are you doing your bit by having 8-10 sons, as such families backboned many of the clubs you mentioned for years?

crankyincorofin (Galway) - Posts: 98 - 11/09/2023 14:20:16    2503822

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Replying To anotheralias:  "Championship 2033.
If current trends continue the senior championship will be even more city centred in 10 years time.
I expect the following 10 teams to be the core Senior sides
Salthill
St Michaels
St James
Barna
Claregalway
Oranmore
Moycullen
Corofin
Annaghdown
Tuam

The remaining 6 will probably be pulled from
Killanin, Oughterard, Spiddal, Monivea, Mountbellew, Dunmore, Milltown
but these will all be just about hanging on to senior status.

As a traditionalist , I hope I am wrong and I hope that some of the rural clubs can continue to complete at levels above their relative population but I think any major success from this group would be a rare exception... Amalgamations/Regional sides to follow ?"
Wouldn't totally disagree with you when you look at the teams at underage playing division 1. Would add Caherlistrane to that mix as well as they have huge numbers at underage if they can hang in there for the next 3/4 years. Having said that, some of their players looked unfit against Corofin and if they dont get their act together could be in imed very quickly.

fairplay4ever (Galway) - Posts: 429 - 11/09/2023 14:46:21    2503827

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Replying To giveitlong:  "Saw 3 games at weekend, Claregalway V Micheals , Dunmore V Tuam and Killererin V St Gabriel's.

Claregalway are improving and while they are a bit below the top 2 or 3, they will hard to beat. Tuam are stuck at the same level for a few years now and its not a great sign that Gary is still the best player they have. Dunmore to their credit are never bet. The shams horsed them out of for long periods but the Dunmores had the couple of natural forwards to make the difference. Great to see them on the up again. There was broad agreement among both sets of supporters and the Corofin stewards on duty that Killererin V Gabriel's was likely the worst game of football ever played. Apart from kickouts and frees the ball was probably not kicked more than 10 times."
I saw 1 of the Gabriels players throw the football up and try to hit it as if it were a sliotar. Think he thought he was playing for Cappy.

MapleSyrup (Galway) - Posts: 165 - 11/09/2023 15:00:54    2503830

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Replying To giveitlong:  "Saw 3 games at weekend, Claregalway V Micheals , Dunmore V Tuam and Killererin V St Gabriel's.

Claregalway are improving and while they are a bit below the top 2 or 3, they will hard to beat. Tuam are stuck at the same level for a few years now and its not a great sign that Gary is still the best player they have. Dunmore to their credit are never bet. The shams horsed them out of for long periods but the Dunmores had the couple of natural forwards to make the difference. Great to see them on the up again. There was broad agreement among both sets of supporters and the Corofin stewards on duty that Killererin V Gabriel's was likely the worst game of football ever played. Apart from kickouts and frees the ball was probably not kicked more than 10 times."
Why would you even admit to being at the Gabriel's Kilererin game!? You should have been paid money at the gate to go in and watch that one.

galway19 (Galway) - Posts: 806 - 11/09/2023 15:29:09    2503839

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Replying To anotheralias:  "3 clubs who were senior until recently in contention for relegation to Junior. At least 1 , and probably 2 of the 3 will be relegated.
The common theme. Rural clubs , greater than 30km from Galway city.
It's no disrespect to these 3 proud clubs, but that's the way it has been trending for some time, and others will follow."
I think that's a very simplistic way of looking at it.
Look at St Thomas' and Sarsfields the most recent successful hurling clubs and that theory goes out the window. St James' had a bigger younger population 30 years ago and Renmore and Mervue GAA clubs almost went to the wall with competition from Galwegians, Mellows, Castlegar, Mervue Utd etc for players. What they have been doing is a serious amount of work at underage level. I do think rural Ireland has been badly let down and see it first hand now myself. Farming is not viable in a lot of cases but other employment isn't available. Then you have the downsizing of good rural employers like BNM. It's something that's not unique to Galway either especially along the seaboard. Then again all you need is 1 David Clifford to come along.
Wasn't it the Killererin manager that openly admitted when they were winning senior championships, if uou take Tommy and Padraig out of the team we would probably be an intermediate club.

smallfrank (Galway) - Posts: 443 - 11/09/2023 15:44:21    2503841

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Aran Islands again deserve great credit for topping their group. From what I was told a handful of their best players are gone to Australia for the year. Consistently seem to punch above their weight. You only have to look at Carraroe who were senior for donkey's years but finished bottom and are now in real danger of dropping to junior. It's not easy for a rural club to stay consistently competitive.

Marooned (Galway) - Posts: 2302 - 11/09/2023 16:14:21    2503847

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6/4 available on Moycullen for anyone who is looking for free money.

galway19 (Galway) - Posts: 806 - 11/09/2023 16:19:25    2503848

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Replying To smallfrank:  "I think that's a very simplistic way of looking at it.
Look at St Thomas' and Sarsfields the most recent successful hurling clubs and that theory goes out the window. St James' had a bigger younger population 30 years ago and Renmore and Mervue GAA clubs almost went to the wall with competition from Galwegians, Mellows, Castlegar, Mervue Utd etc for players. What they have been doing is a serious amount of work at underage level. I do think rural Ireland has been badly let down and see it first hand now myself. Farming is not viable in a lot of cases but other employment isn't available. Then you have the downsizing of good rural employers like BNM. It's something that's not unique to Galway either especially along the seaboard. Then again all you need is 1 David Clifford to come along.
Wasn't it the Killererin manager that openly admitted when they were winning senior championships, if uou take Tommy and Padraig out of the team we would probably be an intermediate club."
Yes , of course its a simplified view and there are more factors than just population. But hurling is slightly different for 2 reasons. One is that the big population areas dont appear to get a high percentage of hurling participation and consequently the quantity breeding quality axiom doesnt apply directly from population. Secondly the skill levels of hurling take much more practice to perfect and I while I know people will object to this statement , but there is less distractions in rural areas so young lads tend to spend more time honing these skills.
Football is not impacted by this as much as lads who are elite athletes can dabble with other sports and as long as they have done a level of development at football, they will be successful if they are bigger, stronger , faster than their peers.

anotheralias (Galway) - Posts: 960 - 11/09/2023 16:41:17    2503854

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Replying To anotheralias:  "Yes , of course its a simplified view and there are more factors than just population. But hurling is slightly different for 2 reasons. One is that the big population areas dont appear to get a high percentage of hurling participation and consequently the quantity breeding quality axiom doesnt apply directly from population. Secondly the skill levels of hurling take much more practice to perfect and I while I know people will object to this statement , but there is less distractions in rural areas so young lads tend to spend more time honing these skills.
Football is not impacted by this as much as lads who are elite athletes can dabble with other sports and as long as they have done a level of development at football, they will be successful if they are bigger, stronger , faster than their peers."
Merit in what you are all saying, the last 30 to 40 yrs have seen the demise of once strong clubs who were overly relying on new arrivals eg Fr Griffins & St Grellans and it has become much harder for clubs who are short of a strong volunteers base to provide facilities and coaching to entice young people to take up hurling and football, and persevere with it .Without a steady supply of new talent it is not possible to maintain an effective club or team or teams, so despite a strong local population players will be lost to other pursuits that are well organised and popular among their peers.Add to this as well you are hoping to get a an extra talented group or family coming along to give imputus to an average or steady existing group to gain top level success.We saw this with hurling clubs like Sarsfields, Athenry and latterly Portumna.Corofin so far have stayed close to their high standards to their credit.

backtooldwall (Galway) - Posts: 140 - 11/09/2023 18:56:55    2503887

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