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Don't be worrying about Mayo or Roscommon. They've now irrelevant to the game against Sligo. I'm happy to see Sligo back in a Connacht final at senior and with their recent success underage I'm sure it won't be their only provincial final in the coming years.

Diabhal (Galway) - Posts: 181 - 26/04/2023 13:02:21    2473990

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Replying To anotheralias:  "I think the logic is that the next game in Connacht ( except for a final) was due to be a home game in Sligo.
Sligo's forfeiture of the last game still counts as a played game. If at the time Sligo felt that failure to field would mean that they would still have to play the next game at a Galway venue then they could have easily ( and farcically) sent down a club Junior C team , fielded and conceded a cricket score. But no, they didn't , because they knew that a) that would be silly and b) that the fixture would still go down as having been a Galway home fixture.
So Sligo play Galway in Castlebar in 2023 and the if the next time they meet if its in a QF or SF it will be in Markiewicz. Simple enough stuff."
"Simple enough stuff" alright, apart from the fact that the discourse at that time in 2020 was that by pulling out of the competition, Sligo wouldn't be using up an away fixture and would have to play their next meeting in Galway. Indeed that was part of the anger from the Sligo squad towards the county board for the decision.

If Prenty et al have decided retrospectively that the game did indeed count as a home fixture from Galway, then I must've missed the press release. You're welcome to share it if you have it

PressureKick (UK) - Posts: 210 - 26/04/2023 13:17:16    2473994

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Replying To anotheralias:  "I find it mildly amusing that I see posters on the Roscommon thread now saying that its good that they lost the semi final.
Mayo GAA blog had the same rhetoric after the Ros defeat.
Now, I wont reply on those forums , because I have no interest in grigging either Ros or Mayo supporters , but I want to re-iterate that I am absolutely delighted that we won last Sunday and I would have seen no silver lining in defeat.
A Connacht final v Sligo is ideal preparation.
I am slightly wary about an ever improving Sligo and I don't believe that this game is a foregone conclusion. One decision that management need to make is do they optimise the training plan for the group stages , ignoring the Sligo game or do we prioritise the Connacht final. I think there will be a little bit of dual prioritisation/balancing , but ensuring win in Connacht final is very very important for 3 reasons
1. Its a Nestor Cup after all ..not to be sneezed at
2. A loss could dent confidence
3. A loss puts us in a group with a Provincial champ and a dangerous tier 3. Throw in a strong tier 4 and you have a really difficult group."
Would you feel the same if Galway had to go out and play championship the week after the league final. No time for players to rest. No time for injuries to heal. No time for a training camp. No time to get serious championship training done.

Mfs (Mayo) - Posts: 251 - 26/04/2023 13:19:52    2473995

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Replying To brisbane:  "Interesting Stats and tactics for the Game here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1cwmYSpzv4"
That is the Stephen O'Meara link. Thanks for posting.

EDH (Galway) - Posts: 367 - 26/04/2023 13:27:57    2473998

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Replying To Mfs:  "Would you feel the same if Galway had to go out and play championship the week after the league final. No time for players to rest. No time for injuries to heal. No time for a training camp. No time to get serious championship training done."
Waaaaaaaa

StopTheLights (Galway) - Posts: 343 - 26/04/2023 15:56:46    2474051

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Replying To anotheralias:  "I find it mildly amusing that I see posters on the Roscommon thread now saying that its good that they lost the semi final.
Mayo GAA blog had the same rhetoric after the Ros defeat.
Now, I wont reply on those forums , because I have no interest in grigging either Ros or Mayo supporters , but I want to re-iterate that I am absolutely delighted that we won last Sunday and I would have seen no silver lining in defeat.
A Connacht final v Sligo is ideal preparation.
I am slightly wary about an ever improving Sligo and I don't believe that this game is a foregone conclusion. One decision that management need to make is do they optimise the training plan for the group stages , ignoring the Sligo game or do we prioritise the Connacht final. I think there will be a little bit of dual prioritisation/balancing , but ensuring win in Connacht final is very very important for 3 reasons
1. Its a Nestor Cup after all ..not to be sneezed at
2. A loss could dent confidence
3. A loss puts us in a group with a Provincial champ and a dangerous tier 3. Throw in a strong tier 4 and you have a really difficult group."
Absolutely delighted we won, winning is the only way to go. And I certainly believe we should value every Nestor Cup.

However as improving as this Sligo team is, we should win pulling away (by 10+) even if we rest a few or take a few off. They are still most recently a Division 4 team who have beaten London and NY. We have to have a little bit of surety in ourselves to dispatch such a side.

MaroonedinDublin (Galway) - Posts: 28 - 26/04/2023 15:58:50    2474053

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Replying To anotheralias:  "I find it mildly amusing that I see posters on the Roscommon thread now saying that its good that they lost the semi final.
Mayo GAA blog had the same rhetoric after the Ros defeat.
Now, I wont reply on those forums , because I have no interest in grigging either Ros or Mayo supporters , but I want to re-iterate that I am absolutely delighted that we won last Sunday and I would have seen no silver lining in defeat.
A Connacht final v Sligo is ideal preparation.
I am slightly wary about an ever improving Sligo and I don't believe that this game is a foregone conclusion. One decision that management need to make is do they optimise the training plan for the group stages , ignoring the Sligo game or do we prioritise the Connacht final. I think there will be a little bit of dual prioritisation/balancing , but ensuring win in Connacht final is very very important for 3 reasons
1. Its a Nestor Cup after all ..not to be sneezed at
2. A loss could dent confidence
3. A loss puts us in a group with a Provincial champ and a dangerous tier 3. Throw in a strong tier 4 and you have a really difficult group."
Understand their points on the distractions and the main question was posed if its a blessing in disguise. Remains to be seen in this new format.

My gut feeling is winning Connacht was the way to go. Having to beat both yourselves and Mayo was going to be difficult.


Why IMO it would have been better had we won on Sunday.

- reaching Connacht final would have kept the momentum going.

- We would have won a big championship in Hyde Park and that would have given us confidence to beat whoever we faced in round 1 at home

- in think 2 weeks between games is enough rest and recovery time epecially when winning.

- Winning Connacht would likely have given us a better chance of topping the group and give us our best possible chance of winning All-Ireland quarter final should we top the group.

- We could now draw Kerry or Dublin away in round 1 both would be sure to top their group

- Not topping the group means a tougher schedule with a last 12 game and if that's won the All Ireland quarter is a week later against a rested group winner.

The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 3753 - 26/04/2023 16:13:34    2474057

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Replying To PressureKick:  ""Simple enough stuff" alright, apart from the fact that the discourse at that time in 2020 was that by pulling out of the competition, Sligo wouldn't be using up an away fixture and would have to play their next meeting in Galway. Indeed that was part of the anger from the Sligo squad towards the county board for the decision.

If Prenty et al have decided retrospectively that the game did indeed count as a home fixture from Galway, then I must've missed the press release. You're welcome to share it if you have it"
I dont recall the discussion at the time, but if you think about it logically games that don't go ahead for reasons like Sligo had at the time should not end up with a penalty. And in all honesty the rules should not penalise counties that are disadvantaged by lower playing populations.
That's sort of why I have a major gripe with Dublin getting 2 x home fixtures in the group stages. A clear example of the system favouring a team that already has huge advantages in terms of playing numbers.

anotheralias (Galway) - Posts: 840 - 26/04/2023 18:14:17    2474096

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Replying To Mfs:  "Would you feel the same if Galway had to go out and play championship the week after the league final. No time for players to rest. No time for injuries to heal. No time for a training camp. No time to get serious championship training done."
All I can say , and I promise you this, is that if Galway end up playing Mayo in the group stages , and Mayo win , I wont be whinging about the fact that we played 2 games more than Mayo in the run up with no healing time for knocks, and that Mayo came in fresh.

anotheralias (Galway) - Posts: 840 - 26/04/2023 18:21:55    2474098

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Replying To Mfs:  "Would you feel the same if Galway had to go out and play championship the week after the league final. No time for players to rest. No time for injuries to heal. No time for a training camp. No time to get serious championship training done."
Serious championship training is done in Dec, Jan, Feb, Mar - not the week before the fair! Warm weather training camps are great but the % fitness, stamina, strength, speed gains are tiny - the foundation of hard work is already in place at that stage, or at least it should be.

togoutlads (Galway) - Posts: 902 - 27/04/2023 10:00:29    2474169

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Galway should be using the game against Sligo for experimenting on kick outs, the game is 2 weeks from the next game so won't get the chance to experiment although it won't be a surprise if Sligo allow Power to get the short ones off so the experimenting will likely to be done on Sligo's kickouts.

What % of our own long kickouts did we win? I'm not convinced it was more then 50%

TheBishop (Galway) - Posts: 260 - 27/04/2023 10:01:05    2474170

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Replying To TheBishop:  "Galway should be using the game against Sligo for experimenting on kick outs, the game is 2 weeks from the next game so won't get the chance to experiment although it won't be a surprise if Sligo allow Power to get the short ones off so the experimenting will likely to be done on Sligo's kickouts.

What % of our own long kickouts did we win? I'm not convinced it was more then 50%"
From the statistics shown Galway won 9 out of 15 kickouts which would be 60% but lost most of the long kickouts which seemed to be the way I saw it also. Not good to be losing most of the long kickouts no matter how good the defence is as you can't score without the ball.

tommy k (Galway) - Posts: 3320 - 27/04/2023 10:18:39    2474174

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Replying To anotheralias:  "All I can say , and I promise you this, is that if Galway end up playing Mayo in the group stages , and Mayo win , I wont be whinging about the fact that we played 2 games more than Mayo in the run up with no healing time for knocks, and that Mayo came in fresh."
Is the Sligo game not the only extra game? Surely Galway could play 2nd 15 and win that.

Mfs (Mayo) - Posts: 251 - 27/04/2023 10:38:12    2474178

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Replying To tommy k:  "From the statistics shown Galway won 9 out of 15 kickouts which would be 60% but lost most of the long kickouts which seemed to be the way I saw it also. Not good to be losing most of the long kickouts no matter how good the defence is as you can't score without the ball."
We have a lot of strong fielding options with long kickout ball in terms of primary targets - Conroy, Maher, Cooke, Tierney, Comer. Where we lost out the last day (and most days?) is on breaking ball. We picked a lot of big fielders from 8to12 the last day, players who are more comfortable catching ball than winning breaking ball maybe. I don't recall a great spell on breaking kickout ball from Galway, since the early stage of the Mayo game a year ago, when O'Laoi featured strongly. We didn't have an 'O'Laoi type' player between 8 and 12 in Ros, and maybe that's costing us on breaking ball. Maybe it's not even a big issue in 'THE SYSTEM' as a whole. Football is evolving in a direction where teams are as happy without the ball as they are with it. If most of your scores are coming off counter attack and turnovers, you're going to want the opposition in possession a lot.

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3419 - 27/04/2023 11:20:28    2474190

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Replying To Mfs:  "Is the Sligo game not the only extra game? Surely Galway could play 2nd 15 and win that."
For Galway there are 2 extra games over Mayo in the time period. Yes only 1 extra game over Mayo overallbecause Mayo had the QF , but I'm talking about 2 extra games in the Provincial Semi to Group stage window.
Also that comment is very disrespectful to Sligo , who I believe would not only take care of our second 15 easily, but will give our 1st 15 a serious enough challenge.
I want to repeat that not complaining at all about these extra games and I dont feel they will have any negative impact on our chances in AI series.

anotheralias (Galway) - Posts: 840 - 27/04/2023 11:48:40    2474200

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Replying To Pope_Benedict:  "We have a lot of strong fielding options with long kickout ball in terms of primary targets - Conroy, Maher, Cooke, Tierney, Comer. Where we lost out the last day (and most days?) is on breaking ball. We picked a lot of big fielders from 8to12 the last day, players who are more comfortable catching ball than winning breaking ball maybe. I don't recall a great spell on breaking kickout ball from Galway, since the early stage of the Mayo game a year ago, when O'Laoi featured strongly. We didn't have an 'O'Laoi type' player between 8 and 12 in Ros, and maybe that's costing us on breaking ball. Maybe it's not even a big issue in 'THE SYSTEM' as a whole. Football is evolving in a direction where teams are as happy without the ball as they are with it. If most of your scores are coming off counter attack and turnovers, you're going to want the opposition in possession a lot."
Yes I agree that Galway have not a "breaking ball" specialist but you would think the likes of "faster, nippier" players like Heaney and Sweeney could win more breaking ball and I know Sweeney was playing at halfback the last day. Its ok to have "big men" but they should be able to catch aerial ball more regularly than they do - Comer is an exception as he has to come out from the full forward line to the half forward line on occasion and in fairness he catches his fair share of aerial ball when required.

tommy k (Galway) - Posts: 3320 - 27/04/2023 14:06:39    2474253

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Mayo bias on Connacht GAA live coverage, no surprise there.

Great game of minor football two strong teams, good win for Galway despite referee best efforts.

ahsure. (Galway) - Posts: 1571 - 28/04/2023 20:24:36    2474443

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Super night for football last night, we should have closed in out in the first half but that is underage football, smash and grab at the end was great. Last years players were superb again, Cox, Gill and Coen has some engine, his pass for the goal sublime. Mayo couldn't handle him in the first half with direct running (he looked like Lee Keegan). I didn't see exactly why Shay McG got sent off. Kelly has to come back in also from his injury. The future looks good, Walsh and O'Grady are big units. The future for Galway midfield looks very positive, McLaughlin, Maher, O'Neill with McGlinchey & O'Grady coming from this minor team.

GDL (Galway) - Posts: 721 - 29/04/2023 13:41:56    2474506

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Replying To GDL:  "Super night for football last night, we should have closed in out in the first half but that is underage football, smash and grab at the end was great. Last years players were superb again, Cox, Gill and Coen has some engine, his pass for the goal sublime. Mayo couldn't handle him in the first half with direct running (he looked like Lee Keegan). I didn't see exactly why Shay McG got sent off. Kelly has to come back in also from his injury. The future looks good, Walsh and O'Grady are big units. The future for Galway midfield looks very positive, McLaughlin, Maher, O'Neill with McGlinchey & O'Grady coming from this minor team."
They are doing very well considering reports before the year were that this wasn't a great bunch outside of the few lads from last years winning panel.

galway19 (Galway) - Posts: 674 - 29/04/2023 14:28:17    2474513

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Great win, vinny Gill and Ross Coen were very good..
Great goal by Jack Heneghan and Charlie Cox showing his class.
Great work done by numerous individuals throughout the represent clubs in continuing the influx of Great young players.
Shows the importance of working with kids of all abilities from a young age..

Belclare (Galway) - Posts: 904 - 29/04/2023 15:21:10    2474530

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