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Replying To kiloughter:  "Us winning with several key absentees is the critical piece in my view. According to the Tyrone gentleman beside me yesterday in Tuam Stadium he was pretty sure Tyrone had their strongest team out. While all counties have absentees at various times I think it is fair to say nobody is missing the number of key players (Comer, Walsh, Silke, Molloy, Rob Finnerty) that we are currently. The gas thing is Maughan spouting Galway are not a top 5 side is laughable. I mean after Kerry and Dublin I cannot think who else could be considered beyond us. Yes Armagh Tyrone, Ros, Mayo are all up there but it strikes me there is some very ill informed opinions among some who should know better. Saying all this I still think we have a bit to do to stay in the Division but I guess we do have a bigger picture in mind. A league final place is only bonus territory really and I don't expect us to be there. Heady days for Connacht football though looking at that table this morning."
Yes long may it stay the same for Connacht football and would be nice to see both Sligo and leitrim gain promotion this spring and have a Croke Park final.

Tyrone are only missing two players from what is considered their strongest 15 or be two important players. McNamme probably one of their best defenders and forward and good goal scorer McKenna gone down under again, two rookies are their replacements. I don't think McGeary played yesterday but did against us. Unless they can lift it they''ll struggle to avoid relegation.

We had Maughan in as manager was recommended by his best man Tommy Carr between the two of them they took established div 1 team and left us in Div 3 where we would eventually drop to Div 4 and would take us 13 years to return to Div 1.

John is tactically limited needs to be surrounded with good coaches which he chose not to do with us, man management poor and he should be kept away from the mic as he comes out with some awful nonsense with little or no research done.

I think you'll beat Donegal,Monaghan. Armagh away will be tricky maybe draw there that would put Galway onto 8 points going to the final match at home to Kerry and probably Shane Walsh will be back by then.

The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 3926 - 20/02/2023 14:01:29    2459381

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Replying To The_analyser:  "Yes long may it stay the same for Connacht football and would be nice to see both Sligo and leitrim gain promotion this spring and have a Croke Park final.

Tyrone are only missing two players from what is considered their strongest 15 or be two important players. McNamme probably one of their best defenders and forward and good goal scorer McKenna gone down under again, two rookies are their replacements. I don't think McGeary played yesterday but did against us. Unless they can lift it they''ll struggle to avoid relegation.

We had Maughan in as manager was recommended by his best man Tommy Carr between the two of them they took established div 1 team and left us in Div 3 where we would eventually drop to Div 4 and would take us 13 years to return to Div 1.

John is tactically limited needs to be surrounded with good coaches which he chose not to do with us, man management poor and he should be kept away from the mic as he comes out with some awful nonsense with little or no research done.

I think you'll beat Donegal,Monaghan. Armagh away will be tricky maybe draw there that would put Galway onto 8 points going to the final match at home to Kerry and probably Shane Walsh will be back by then."
Would be good to see all 3 Connacht counties retaining Div 1 status. Connacht's record at most levels is that of the poor relation variety. Now that record will only be improved by some All Irelands , but having 3 teams in Div 1 consistently would be a good stepping stone.
Ros are more or less safe. Mayo likewise if they beat Tyrone. Galway , a little bit more work to do.
Getting to a league final is not a priority for any team, but ironically , for Galway, even though we are the least likely of the 3 to get to a league final , qualification wouldn't be as much of an inconvenience to schedule as it would be for Mayo or Ros.

anotheralias (Galway) - Posts: 960 - 20/02/2023 14:47:27    2459406

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Hard to see what Ian Burke brings to the table. Took him 25 minutes to touch the ball. Can't press and can't fall back and force a turnover. Yes, kicked a score but fluffed some other chances. Eoin Finnerty is just not at the level from a conditioning perspective to play at IC level. Like Barry McHugh, he will just have to settle for being a very good club player.
Cooke does 1 amazing thing and then follows it up with a bad thing ie fisting the ball with the wind at his back into the keepers hands.

Full back line were good. Sweeney and McGrath both excellent when they came on. A very important win.

Dermot_Desmond_96 (Galway) - Posts: 40 - 20/02/2023 14:51:33    2459412

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Replying To tommy k:  "Don't want to rain on the optimism today but Galway did concede the last 4 points of the game quite easily I thought and if there was another minute or so left I wouldn't have been shocked if Tyrone scored a goal to equalise which would have put a whole different gloss on it. My point is that this is something Galway have been doing on a regular basis since last year in the league / championship i.e. relaxing for the last 5 - 10 minutes (or even the last quarter) thinking the job is done until the opposition score sucker goals or a number of points to make it a draw or even snatch a win. Definitely need work on playing for the full 70+ minutes and never ever think the job is done prematurely as games can change very quickly as we all know!"
I think as you point out , yesterday's result needs to be interpreted with a health warning. The fear I have is that people will read a line of form through Donegal losing heavily to Tyrone and us beating them and thereby setting an unreal set of expectations for next week.
Next week is a very important game. Victory puts us in a a great position , while defeat would pull us right back in to the relegation zone...possibly even in to one of the bottom 2 positions after Round 4.

Yes there is cause for optimism but also we need to be realistic. Here's a few pointers before we start thinking that we will beat Donegal handily.

1. In game 1 Donegal beat Kerry. Yes a weakened Kerry side , but nobody is questioning how good Mayo after beating a weakened Kerry ( albeit not quite as weakened , but still minus DC/SOS for the stage while the game was potentially a contest)

2. Tyrone were poor . But still when they were reeling us back in the 2nd half they coughed up some serious opportunities for scores ( possibly even a goal or two) and if they got in front we might have struggled to get back into it against the wind.

3. Our score count was seriously inflated by big contributions from defence/midfield ( 0-5 points or arguably 0-11 if you consider that Matthew Tierney was effectively playing midfield. In the absence of our 3 missing attackers we haven't enough threat in the inside forward line

4. We completely dominated kick outs yesterday. It was brilliant to watch and that was the foundation of the win. Hopefully this is a sign that we can be at least competitive , and hopefully more than that, in this area , having been so poor up to now. But 1 swallow doesn't make a summer.

5. The score count over the last year in the last few minutes of games must be in very Red figures. Its gone to the point now where we need to be at least 5 points up going in to injury time before we can be confident of the win.

6. Back to Donegal again . They will come out fighting after 2 poor performances and with relegation on the line. Also there is so much talk about how they never win in Letterkenny and nearly always win in Ballybofey.. Sometimes I think these type of records set themselves up to be broken... I know this one is not based on logic , more like a bad feeling in my stomach.

anotheralias (Galway) - Posts: 960 - 20/02/2023 15:27:51    2459434

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Replying To tommy k:  "Don't want to rain on the optimism today but Galway did concede the last 4 points of the game quite easily I thought and if there was another minute or so left I wouldn't have been shocked if Tyrone scored a goal to equalise which would have put a whole different gloss on it. My point is that this is something Galway have been doing on a regular basis since last year in the league / championship i.e. relaxing for the last 5 - 10 minutes (or even the last quarter) thinking the job is done until the opposition score sucker goals or a number of points to make it a draw or even snatch a win. Definitely need work on playing for the full 70+ minutes and never ever think the job is done prematurely as games can change very quickly as we all know!"
They didn't score a goal in over 75 mins yet you believe they would with another minute!!!
Give me strenght....

Belclare (Galway) - Posts: 904 - 20/02/2023 15:42:11    2459441

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Replying To Belclare:  "If you read my first post after the game you would have seen how I picked the above mentioned players first...
But if you think Dylan mc Hugh is one of the best in the county only we'll then you don't know your football!
He is in the top 10 wing backs in the country now.."
Well there are only 16 division 1 first choice wing backs , so I would expect and hope that we would have one in the top 10, and Dylan McHugh is currently our number 1 wing back.
So your saying a top 10 wing back makes you one of the top players in the country.
You might say I'm splitting hairs but if you were to take top 10 wing backs, top 10 corner backs etc.. you are then saying that there are about 70/80 players in the category of top players in the country.
I apologies if I mis-interpreted your definition of a top player in the country....I honestly though that the list might be less than 10 , certainly less than 20.

In reply to another poster who finds it strange that I would run down one of our own players, you obviously didnt read my post properly , where I said that Dylan McHugh has become one of best players , and as I agreed above he is definitely one of the top 10 wing backs in the country. But I'm just trying to throw a bit of perspective , and at the same time , try to deflect some of the hype from the team as whole , and from individuals. We need to happy with our progress without going on a nationwide forum ( lets face it this is a Nationwide forum , even though it's a Galway thread) and saying we are the best , or that certain players are the best. When neutral pundits ( from outside the county) recognise some of our players as being exceptional , it fills me with pride , but we need to be careful or people might accuse us of acquiring the Mayo disease. As they say "self praise is no praise"

anotheralias (Galway) - Posts: 960 - 20/02/2023 16:02:17    2459447

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Replying To Dermot_Desmond_96:  "Hard to see what Ian Burke brings to the table. Took him 25 minutes to touch the ball. Can't press and can't fall back and force a turnover. Yes, kicked a score but fluffed some other chances. Eoin Finnerty is just not at the level from a conditioning perspective to play at IC level. Like Barry McHugh, he will just have to settle for being a very good club player.
Cooke does 1 amazing thing and then follows it up with a bad thing ie fisting the ball with the wind at his back into the keepers hands.

Full back line were good. Sweeney and McGrath both excellent when they came on. A very important win."
Thought Burke was fine yesterday. Linked the play well in the second half and didnt waste possession. He isn't there to kick four points from play every game but I think you will notice his influence with Comer and Walsh around him with the space he can create for others.

galway19 (Galway) - Posts: 806 - 20/02/2023 16:05:39    2459451

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Replying To Belclare:  "They didn't score a goal in over 75 mins yet you believe they would with another minute!!!
Give me strenght...."
Armagh didnt score for 70 minutes in the QF last year....and scored 2 in injury time.
Likewise Derry in the semi...although it was just 1 goal that time.
In Tuam yesterday, I can tell you I was relieved when the ref blew the whistle because I definitely wouldn't have ruled it out.

anotheralias (Galway) - Posts: 960 - 20/02/2023 16:06:07    2459452

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I thought Eoghan Kelly was very lively in the second half. He was the key link man in about 3 scores when we started to pull away. He's no Liam Silke but he's working hard and improving.

Diabhal (Galway) - Posts: 182 - 20/02/2023 16:10:12    2459457

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Replying To galway19:  "Thought Burke was fine yesterday. Linked the play well in the second half and didnt waste possession. He isn't there to kick four points from play every game but I think you will notice his influence with Comer and Walsh around him with the space he can create for others."
We have quite a few players whose role it is to link the play, or run.

PierreBezuhov (UK) - Posts: 231 - 20/02/2023 16:15:35    2459458

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Replying To galway19:  "Thought Burke was fine yesterday. Linked the play well in the second half and didnt waste possession. He isn't there to kick four points from play every game but I think you will notice his influence with Comer and Walsh around him with the space he can create for others."
Same, you know what you get from him. He can take a pass and then feed a runner from deep creating an overlap. Thats the kind of player he is as well as he can chip in with a score, again though it will be most like a 1-2 maybe even a few 1-2's and the some space for a shot.

The_DOC (Galway) - Posts: 738 - 20/02/2023 16:27:18    2459462

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I watched the game again yesterday. I don't know if our victory was that great. Tyrone forwards bluffed a few chances in front of Goal when there was 2 on 1 early in the second half and if one of them had been scored then I suspect that the result may have been different. When O Neill got Daly to drop into the pocket (I am saying O Neill because I think he is the Brains of the operation on the sideline) that finished the goal threat and then Galway starting running at the Tyrone (Another O Neill trait) team the result was only going one way. You could see the body language of the Tyrone team after they missed the couple of goals. Also Remember that Tyrone team were hammered by the Rossies in the Hyde and have beaten Donegal who will be my favourites along with Monaghan to head south. I suspect that Tyrone have their battles picked and a good result against Monaghan will leave them fairly safe. Though we are not out of the woods yet. Also Isnt Kevin Walshe doing wonders in Cork. Remember Kevin brought Galway out of the mess left by the previous management into the all Ireland semi Final. Thrilled for him.

LottoPlus (Kilkenny) - Posts: 85 - 20/02/2023 16:45:43    2459471

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Replying To Belclare:  "They didn't score a goal in over 75 mins yet you believe they would with another minute!!!
Give me strenght...."
Yes because they had all the momentum and scored 4 points in about 4 minutes. You obviously didn't see Galway all of last year so give me strength also!

tommy k (Galway) - Posts: 3470 - 20/02/2023 16:49:17    2459472

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Replying To LottoPlus:  "I watched the game again yesterday. I don't know if our victory was that great. Tyrone forwards bluffed a few chances in front of Goal when there was 2 on 1 early in the second half and if one of them had been scored then I suspect that the result may have been different. When O Neill got Daly to drop into the pocket (I am saying O Neill because I think he is the Brains of the operation on the sideline) that finished the goal threat and then Galway starting running at the Tyrone (Another O Neill trait) team the result was only going one way. You could see the body language of the Tyrone team after they missed the couple of goals. Also Remember that Tyrone team were hammered by the Rossies in the Hyde and have beaten Donegal who will be my favourites along with Monaghan to head south. I suspect that Tyrone have their battles picked and a good result against Monaghan will leave them fairly safe. Though we are not out of the woods yet. Also Isnt Kevin Walshe doing wonders in Cork. Remember Kevin brought Galway out of the mess left by the previous management into the all Ireland semi Final. Thrilled for him."
Seemed a safe bet that KWs 'expertise' could dramatically improve Cork. Cork, more than any top football county imo, persisted with the 'football as it should be played' approach, long after it's sell by date, and got all the way to div3 with it. A sad feature of football nowadays, for a lot of us old folk anyway, is that you simply cannot win modern day football games at the highest level, without defending en masse inside your own 50 yard line, a feature that makes football very 'samey' to view these days.

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3914 - 20/02/2023 17:03:37    2459477

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Replying To anotheralias:  "Well there are only 16 division 1 first choice wing backs , so I would expect and hope that we would have one in the top 10, and Dylan McHugh is currently our number 1 wing back.
So your saying a top 10 wing back makes you one of the top players in the country.
You might say I'm splitting hairs but if you were to take top 10 wing backs, top 10 corner backs etc.. you are then saying that there are about 70/80 players in the category of top players in the country.
I apologies if I mis-interpreted your definition of a top player in the country....I honestly though that the list might be less than 10 , certainly less than 20.

In reply to another poster who finds it strange that I would run down one of our own players, you obviously didnt read my post properly , where I said that Dylan McHugh has become one of best players , and as I agreed above he is definitely one of the top 10 wing backs in the country. But I'm just trying to throw a bit of perspective , and at the same time , try to deflect some of the hype from the team as whole , and from individuals. We need to happy with our progress without going on a nationwide forum ( lets face it this is a Nationwide forum , even though it's a Galway thread) and saying we are the best , or that certain players are the best. When neutral pundits ( from outside the county) recognise some of our players as being exceptional , it fills me with pride , but we need to be careful or people might accuse us of acquiring the Mayo disease. As they say "self praise is no praise""
Put Clifford wing back and see is he still one of the best in the country. He would be gassed in 10 minutes. The rest of your post is just muck.

Not sure how you only count division one teams as being relevant to the discussion. Very disingenuous. Fairly certain Dublin/Derry etc know how to produce the odd decent wing back. I even saw a ghost of wing backs past tog out for Dublin at the weekend.

SamandLiamSoon (Galway) - Posts: 622 - 20/02/2023 19:54:41    2459512

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Replying To LottoPlus:  "I watched the game again yesterday. I don't know if our victory was that great. Tyrone forwards bluffed a few chances in front of Goal when there was 2 on 1 early in the second half and if one of them had been scored then I suspect that the result may have been different. When O Neill got Daly to drop into the pocket (I am saying O Neill because I think he is the Brains of the operation on the sideline) that finished the goal threat and then Galway starting running at the Tyrone (Another O Neill trait) team the result was only going one way. You could see the body language of the Tyrone team after they missed the couple of goals. Also Remember that Tyrone team were hammered by the Rossies in the Hyde and have beaten Donegal who will be my favourites along with Monaghan to head south. I suspect that Tyrone have their battles picked and a good result against Monaghan will leave them fairly safe. Though we are not out of the woods yet. Also Isnt Kevin Walshe doing wonders in Cork. Remember Kevin brought Galway out of the mess left by the previous management into the all Ireland semi Final. Thrilled for him."
Ifs and buts, the Tyrone Rosocmmon game was a much closer affair than the score line suggested, Tyrone coughed up goal chances there too.

Hopefully KW will be back with Galway some day.

ahsure. (Galway) - Posts: 1635 - 20/02/2023 20:25:45    2459520

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Good win. Nothing spectacular. Should pick up full points v Donegal Armagh and Monaghan to see us in league semis with very much a depleted forward line. Happy days.

handpassking (Galway) - Posts: 438 - 20/02/2023 21:09:06    2459522

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Just comparing the tackling of the Mayo backs (with the Galway backs) they seemed to swarm in numbers around the Kerry forwards, getting in tackles / blocks and just generally being "in their faces" a lot more than Galway were against Tyrone. Ollie Turner on GBFM mentioned to Barry Cullinane at one point "that was just a bit too easy Barry". Definitely need to be more aggressive in tackling etc. without giving away soft frees of course.

tommy k (Galway) - Posts: 3470 - 20/02/2023 21:16:03    2459523

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Replying To tommy k:  "Just comparing the tackling of the Mayo backs (with the Galway backs) they seemed to swarm in numbers around the Kerry forwards, getting in tackles / blocks and just generally being "in their faces" a lot more than Galway were against Tyrone. Ollie Turner on GBFM mentioned to Barry Cullinane at one point "that was just a bit too easy Barry". Definitely need to be more aggressive in tackling etc. without giving away soft frees of course."
Ollie Turner and the GBFM team offer top class insight. PJ could do worse than pay heed to their views,

PierreBezuhov (UK) - Posts: 231 - 21/02/2023 09:41:57    2459536

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Replying To PierreBezuhov:  "Ollie Turner and the GBFM team offer top class insight. PJ could do worse than pay heed to their views,"
heard it all now!

Mayonman (Galway) - Posts: 1895 - 21/02/2023 10:09:32    2459541

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