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Replying To Off_the_post:  "Club championship starts tomorrow evening so time for the predictions.
Senior A
Portunma v turloughmore turlough by 3
Cappataggle v kilconiron cappy by 8
Loughrea v moycullen Loughrea by 5
St Thomas's v gort Thomas's by 6
Clarinbridge v oranmore Clarinbridge by 3
Tommy larkins v killimordaly killimordaly by 1
Castlegar v ardrahan castlegar by 2
Sarsfields v craughwell (I think this game is off due to the sad passing of Jimmy cooney rip )

Senior b
Mullagh v mellows mellows by 5
Ahrascragh v athreny athreny by 4
Beagh v killimor killimor by 3
Pearses v kilnadeema kilnadeema letrim by 4

Intermediate
Kinvara v tynagh-abbey/Duniry tad by 5
Ballygar v abbeyknockmoy abbey by 1
An spiddle v ballindeeren b'deeren by 7
Turloughmore v Carnmore carnmore by 3
Clarinbridge v kilbancanty the bridge by 1
Sylane v annaghdown sylane by 3. Kiltromer v rahoon Newcastle rahoon by 6
Craughwell v meelick/eyrecourt eyercourt by 8

Clarinbridge v oranmore probably the game of the weekend. A local Derby and both teams have great young players coming through the ranks. And both have a good mixture young and experience."
That Oranmore Clarinbridge game will be worth seeing just to see how Rory Burke goes at senior level.

galway19 (Galway) - Posts: 879 - 03/08/2023 16:14:30    2498912

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Absolutely agree with you BostonGuy. Money do not make a Henry, Joe C or a Cian Lynch either. Without raw talent you are at nothing. Of course a good management team and proper coaching does help, but it not everything."
Yep validating ,my early point that the structures need to be in place for continuity of success with academies, centers of excellence and if not professional then at least a professional mind set. Lots point to JP McManus as the main reason for their success, thats complete and utter garbage.
Limerick won two U20a with highly skilled athletes, they had a change of mindset with Donal O Grady coming in with new ideas, mentality and a more professional setup. JK was a selector then and took over as manager and brought in one of the best game strategists ever in Paul K and a background team second to none. Look at how they handle injuries, suspensions, infighting and even a player going to prison! Everything from preparation, player management, possibly succession planning and media management seems to be excellent.
There is no question that this Limerick team is one of the best if not the best team of all time (5 of 6 AI's) . What is up for debate is do they have the talent AND structures in place to replace this team either incrementally or rebuild when this team is past it's prime? Its not going to magically happen, most of their players are 28 yo now with many miles on the clock, so there needs to be an adaptive approach to fitness, injury reduction and game management that they probably didn't need to think of in their early 20's. Additionally the majority of players lose a step or two or three by 30, so some hard questions need to be asked and decisions made. This is the difference between a great team gains success and a great infrastructure that can sustain success.

BostonGuy (Galway) - Posts: 160 - 03/08/2023 16:44:48    2498915

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Replying To Stool Pigeon:  "not saying club players turn professional it remains amateur and people play for the love of the game. The players that are at a county level are identified pretty early on and many would love the opportunity to play professionally IMHO, I know I would have if I was good enough

I'm honestly not trying to be be snide but you have sunk the case for professionalism below the waterline here.

You would have to have a situation where you would be taking swathes of (say) 14 year olds away from their clubs, for that is what would have to happen (as in professional football), away from hurling with and against their friends, and for what?
'Maybe' forging a semi-professional career (because let's be realistic, the money is not and never ever will be there to support fully professional GAA). Even at 14 years old, I would estimate the majority would probably not trade playing with their club, their friends and supporters to chase a career that wouldn't support them by itself.

Maybe you would have loved to turn pro if you were good enough (personally if I was good enough I'd be a golf pro, but it's all the one), we all wanted to be soccer players as kids, but being hamstrung by an unfortunate lack of actual talent sunk that dream for most of us, but in reality there are plenty of players who would refuse to turn professional tomorrow if they have a job that funds their lifestyle in a way professional GAA wouldn't. How would they justify it?

There are countless cases of excellent semi-professional footballers who could go full-time but refuse to because they won't take the drop in income as a result of giving up their 'day job'.

To make it in any way attractive you would have to sign players to multi - year contracts at, say, 18. Would there be a transfer market too, maybe JP McManus will go all Saudi and make unrefusable offers for the likes of Tony Kelly and Whelan, I mean it's a professional game now, so money does the talking right?

It's obviously easier to knock down a wall than to build it but you haven't helped your case here at all.

There are lots of players in any IC level hurling squad who could have 'played many professional sports' as there are very few sports that require the dexterity and coordination of hurling. But here's the thing, you would still be losing those Cork players to the professional sports regardless. And rightly so. Hurling is a glorious sport, but it is essentially a high level hobby."
You are missing the point, many of these players leave their clubs to go into rugby and soccer academies with the lure of professionalism, without losing their "true" friends or bonds to their clubs. I think your tie into the club and friends is too strong here and is based on the old parish mentality. Most get married and move away anyway and either come "home" to play for their club or transfer so the friends thing is a very single persons bond, usually tied to socializing.

Here is where you and I disagree, GAA is a product not a hobby. Its a product that has shown commercial backing in sponsorship, license tie-ins, media, PPV, ex-patriot interest (including me) and a fan base in Ireland bigger than any other sport. You are looking how can we put professionalism on the existing structures, simple WE CAN'T. Its needs a rethink, Get rid of the national league its useless, and get rid of munster and leinster championships. Who won Munster, Leinster and national league in 2017? who cares!!! Who one the All Ireland that's easy Galway! Move to a premier league structure with top four making semis after each team had home and away games. Introduce promotion and relegation and get rid of Christy Ring and JmcD. Play games on Saturday and Sunday and also have the prime games on a Monday or Thursday night, so people from other counties can tune in, God knows RTE could do with better content!

Im not in favor of the Xfer of players (yet) but why not? Would you prefer a local Galway team being perennial bridesmaids or a Galway team with xfers who are competing to win an AI. Its a hard concept to let go off as mentally we have being brought up a certain way, but the one thing I learned over here is "The only constant is change" I follow the Patriots, Celtics and Red Sox, they are my home town teams and Im elated when they win a title regardless of who's on the actual team.

So yes I agree that the current structures may support semi-pro at best but we really should be thinking outside the box, because as the commercials grow, professionalism in its many forms will seep into the game. Its better to be up front and transparent than have it fester under the covers of amateurism or hobby

BostonGuy (Galway) - Posts: 160 - 03/08/2023 17:06:32    2498919

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Great news for Galway hurling. If you want to learn the game properly, just call Kilkenny, or even Limerick but they're too busy down there these days!

https://www.hoganstand.com/Article/Index/328758

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 2195 - 03/08/2023 20:50:57    2498946

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Replying To Trump2020:  "Maybe it's because the Parishes are different sizes and populations…there's probably no FAIR way to administer who plays who….."
Neighbouring parishes have been joining up for the last 60yrs in order to field a team so numbers have always been a problem.
In the 60's and 70's all Club Championships were knock out including under age.

katser (Galway) - Posts: 2550 - 03/08/2023 20:56:22    2498947

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Replying To Off_the_post:  "Club championship starts tomorrow evening so time for the predictions.
Senior A
Portunma v turloughmore turlough by 3
Cappataggle v kilconiron cappy by 8
Loughrea v moycullen Loughrea by 5
St Thomas's v gort Thomas's by 6
Clarinbridge v oranmore Clarinbridge by 3
Tommy larkins v killimordaly killimordaly by 1
Castlegar v ardrahan castlegar by 2
Sarsfields v craughwell (I think this game is off due to the sad passing of Jimmy cooney rip )

Senior b
Mullagh v mellows mellows by 5
Ahrascragh v athreny athreny by 4
Beagh v killimor killimor by 3
Pearses v kilnadeema kilnadeema letrim by 4

Intermediate
Kinvara v tynagh-abbey/Duniry tad by 5
Ballygar v abbeyknockmoy abbey by 1
An spiddle v ballindeeren b'deeren by 7
Turloughmore v Carnmore carnmore by 3
Clarinbridge v kilbancanty the bridge by 1
Sylane v annaghdown sylane by 3. Kiltromer v rahoon Newcastle rahoon by 6
Craughwell v meelick/eyrecourt eyercourt by 8

Clarinbridge v oranmore probably the game of the weekend. A local Derby and both teams have great young players coming through the ranks. And both have a good mixture young and experience."
Senior A
Portumna v Turloughmore…..turlough by 1
Cappataggle v kilconiron…..Cappy by 10
Loughrea v moycullen…..Loughrea by 10
St Thomas's v Gort…..Thomas's by 10
Clarinbridge v oranmore…..Bridge by 8
Tommy larkins v killimordaly…..Larkins by 1
Castlegar v ardrahan…..Ardrahan by 1
Sarsfields v craughwell…..Sarsfields by 1 if played

Senior B
Mullagh v mellows…..Mellowes by 1
Ahrascragh v athreny…..Athenry by 6
Beagh v killimor…..Beagh by 1
Pearses v kilnadeema…..Pearses by 3

Intermediate
Kinvara v tynagh-abbey…..Draw
Ballygar v abbeyknockmoy…..Draw
An spiddle v ballindeeren…..Ballinderreen by 9
Turloughmore v Carnmore…..Carnmore by 1
Clarinbridge v Kilbeacanty…..Draw
Sylane v annaghdown…..Sylane by 1
Kiltormer v rahoon/Newcastle….Rahoon by 1
Craughwell v meelick/eyrecourt…..Meelick by 1

Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 2485 - 04/08/2023 06:43:46    2498961

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*An Spideál

The_DOC (Galway) - Posts: 759 - 04/08/2023 12:56:17    2499020

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Replying To The_DOC:  "*An Spideál"
Was going to point that out as well as Kilconieron and Ahascragh - one day all people will learn to spell equally! lol

tommy k (Galway) - Posts: 3470 - 04/08/2023 14:30:44    2499041

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Replying To tommy k:  "Was going to point that out as well as Kilconieron and Ahascragh - one day all people will learn to spell equally! lol"
Forgot about Athenry also!

tommy k (Galway) - Posts: 3470 - 04/08/2023 17:58:33    2499074

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Replying To Pope_Benedict:  "What is the opposite of 'WOKE'?"
It's conservative values and ideals, but I dont want to turn this political. Some people dont believe in a God so "God Given" is not in their vocabulary, for those people it's "DNA given". My point is that it's something they were born with and cannot be replicated on a training field. Now not saying hard work and effort wont get you there, Messi has God Given skills whereas Ronaldo took the skills he was given and through hard work and discipline made greatness.

BostonGuy (Galway) - Posts: 160 - 04/08/2023 18:03:15    2499075

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Fridays Results
Senior
Turloughmore 2-26 Portumna 0-17

Senior B
Mullagh 3-18 Liam Mellows 1-16
Killimor 1-20 Beagh 1-16

Intermediate
Tynagh/Abbey-Duniry 3-20 Kinvara 0-14

katser (Galway) - Posts: 2550 - 04/08/2023 21:07:33    2499081

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Replying To katser:  "Fridays Results
Senior
Turloughmore 2-26 Portumna 0-17

Senior B
Mullagh 3-18 Liam Mellows 1-16
Killimor 1-20 Beagh 1-16

Intermediate
Tynagh/Abbey-Duniry 3-20 Kinvara 0-14"
I'm surprised that Turloughmore won by so much. Thought it would be closer.

Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 2485 - 05/08/2023 12:37:57    2499117

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Replying To BostonGuy:  "It's conservative values and ideals, but I dont want to turn this political. Some people dont believe in a God so "God Given" is not in their vocabulary, for those people it's "DNA given". My point is that it's something they were born with and cannot be replicated on a training field. Now not saying hard work and effort wont get you there, Messi has God Given skills whereas Ronaldo took the skills he was given and through hard work and discipline made greatness."
Whether you're conservative or liberal, you can grapple with the question of whether man invented God, or God invented man. You can choose not to grapple with that question too, of course.

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 4091 - 05/08/2023 13:07:58    2499122

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Replying To Trump2020:  "I'm surprised that Turloughmore won by so much. Thought it would be closer."
They look a different side with Walsh back this year. Gives them a proper forward that can take frees and Phelan from Waterford is a right handful on the edge of the square. There is more a forward threat about them now.

galway19 (Galway) - Posts: 879 - 05/08/2023 14:24:25    2499130

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Replying To galway19:  "They look a different side with Walsh back this year. Gives them a proper forward that can take frees and Phelan from Waterford is a right handful on the edge of the square. There is more a forward threat about them now."
Exactly what that team has needed for the last number of seasons......'a forward threat'. Probably wise to wait for some sterner tests, before reaching any conclusions about this newly acquired forward threat.

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 4091 - 05/08/2023 18:36:19    2499166

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Replying To galway19:  "They look a different side with Walsh back this year. Gives them a proper forward that can take frees and Phelan from Waterford is a right handful on the edge of the square. There is more a forward threat about them now."
Yeah that's why it's hard to pick some of these matches for me. It's hard to keep up with who's injured or who's gone abroad, etc. Clarenbridge and Oranmore was a good match earlier today. It's the only one I got to see fully. I saw highlights of the Ardrahan match too. Looking forward to the Thomas's vs Gort match. I don't know what type of team Gort will have this year.

Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 2485 - 05/08/2023 21:40:43    2499188

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Young Keady had a super game for Oranmore last night. Unlucky not to get something out of the game. The Bridge got first half hat trick from Mark Kennedy and held on. Johnny Glynn caused havoc in the first game for Ardrahan against Cashel. Cianan Fahy controlled the game well, playing in his proper position at 6.

galway19 (Galway) - Posts: 879 - 06/08/2023 12:31:51    2499227

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Replying To galway19:  "Young Keady had a super game for Oranmore last night. Unlucky not to get something out of the game. The Bridge got first half hat trick from Mark Kennedy and held on. Johnny Glynn caused havoc in the first game for Ardrahan against Cashel. Cianan Fahy controlled the game well, playing in his proper position at 6."
Yeah Johnny Glynn is still a physical beast and was unlucky not to have a goal or two. Nice win for St Thomas's against Gort. Thomas's deserved the win and were very goal hungry. Gort have a nice little team too. Good young players coming up. Conor Cooney looked great for Thomas's. Grealish was great for Gort.

Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 2485 - 06/08/2023 15:17:24    2499251

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Looking at results in Galway will anyone seriously challenge Tomas,s??im a complete outsider but doesn't look like it..

CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2498 - 06/08/2023 19:05:13    2499278

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Replying To Trump2020:  "Yeah Johnny Glynn is still a physical beast and was unlucky not to have a goal or two. Nice win for St Thomas's against Gort. Thomas's deserved the win and were very goal hungry. Gort have a nice little team too. Good young players coming up. Conor Cooney looked great for Thomas's. Grealish was great for Gort."
Cooney always looks great for Thomas's but hasn't looked great for Galway since 2017!

tommy k (Galway) - Posts: 3470 - 06/08/2023 19:09:32    2499279

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