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Replying To tiobraid:  "Of all the players you picked John Troy? Absolutely no chance. One of the most skilful forwards ever to play the game and very very much two sided.

I'll be murdered for this but for me thats why TJ will never be the greatest. His left side is massively better than his right and in space he always turns back on to it. Thats my opinion and I'll stick to it!"
Sure Muhammed Ali was 'the greatest'.

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3911 - 12/06/2023 16:50:43    2485973

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Replying To kiloughter:  "On the same theme didn't Martin McHugh say that the Gooch Cooper was a one trick pony on TSG some years ago. Just before 2014 I think and Gooch had 4 Sam Maguires in the bag by then. His justification was at the time Gooch only delivered against lesser opposition (referencing the systems failures against Tyrone in '03, '05 and '08). Anyhow I agree CW has more than one trick. The issue yesterday was the collective. You need 4 forwards on the button any day. Apart from some individual cameos only CW and Niland made the necessary impact. For our football team Shane Walsh gets loads of criticism levelled at him. Mostly unwarranted and unfair. People don't realise the efforts these guys make and we are lucky to have players like Whelan and Walsh with such a skill set."
Colm O'Rourke had consumed copious volumes of humble pie also, by the time Brian Dooher's intercounty career had concluded.

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3911 - 12/06/2023 16:53:00    2485974

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Fair point.

That clearance effort at the end though was under 8 stuff."
Was. Galway did a Wexford or Clare.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14247 - 12/06/2023 17:13:47    2485981

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Of all the players you picked John Troy? Absolutely no chance. One of the most skilful forwards ever to play the game and very very much two sided.

I'll be murdered for this but for me thats why TJ will never be the greatest. His left side is massively better than his right and in space he always turns back on to it. Thats my opinion and I'll stick to it!"
Who cares what he does in space? When you are in space you can turn on any side. It's how effective you are when you have no space, and he's one of the best at coming out with the ball and passing to a teammate, stick or hand, or shooting at the posts when under pressure. Thats why he's one of the greatest at the moment!!!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14247 - 12/06/2023 17:17:18    2485985

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Here's another thing that has to change, players dropping to the ground and taking off their helmets especially if the opposition has scored a goal or on a streak. if you drop the helmet then you HAVE to go off for an HIA assessment like in rugby. Saw the Kilkenny goalie do it after Flynn's goal and nothing went near his head. Also saw Quaid do it a couple of times this year. A blow to the head is a very serious matter, but I feel a lot of teams are using it as a tactic.

BostonGuy (Galway) - Posts: 133 - 12/06/2023 18:11:45    2486007

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Disappointed ye lost yesterday. The few times we beat the cats I would have to check the paper the next day to make sure or be half way down the N25 ahead and the final whistle go. I don't want to single out any player or players but I guess this opinion does that and I am sure the player is fiercely disappointed. Most goalies would have stopped that weak enough shot. He was on the right side of the goal and near enough to get more of his body to it. I think it did hop in front of him but a weak shot all in all.
On another subject Tyrell needs to stop berating players on public t.v. Of course he eat humble pie because everyone could see Conor Whelan was man of the match. The great Henry had more games that he never touched the ball and especially in hie early years. Tyrell's one trick pony act was to try and kill his opponent.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2903 - 12/06/2023 18:33:06    2486013

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Of all the players you picked John Troy? Absolutely no chance. One of the most skilful forwards ever to play the game and very very much two sided.

I'll be murdered for this but for me thats why TJ will never be the greatest. His left side is massively better than his right and in space he always turns back on to it. Thats my opinion and I'll stick to it!"
I have memories of John Troy doing a full 180 to hit the ball on his stronger side, rather his weaker, whenever he had a bit of space. As I said, could be just a few moments stuck in my head.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2223 - 12/06/2023 19:00:04    2486029

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Replying To kiloughter:  "On the same theme didn't Martin McHugh say that the Gooch Cooper was a one trick pony on TSG some years ago. Just before 2014 I think and Gooch had 4 Sam Maguires in the bag by then. His justification was at the time Gooch only delivered against lesser opposition (referencing the systems failures against Tyrone in '03, '05 and '08). Anyhow I agree CW has more than one trick. The issue yesterday was the collective. You need 4 forwards on the button any day. Apart from some individual cameos only CW and Niland made the necessary impact. For our football team Shane Walsh gets loads of criticism levelled at him. Mostly unwarranted and unfair. People don't realise the efforts these guys make and we are lucky to have players like Whelan and Walsh with such a skill set."
McHugh said that about James O'Donoghue, rather than Gooch, from what I remember.
Máirtín Beag was a big fan of Gooch.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2223 - 12/06/2023 19:01:17    2486030

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Replying To BostonGuy:  "Here's another thing that has to change, players dropping to the ground and taking off their helmets especially if the opposition has scored a goal or on a streak. if you drop the helmet then you HAVE to go off for an HIA assessment like in rugby. Saw the Kilkenny goalie do it after Flynn's goal and nothing went near his head. Also saw Quaid do it a couple of times this year. A blow to the head is a very serious matter, but I feel a lot of teams are using it as a tactic."
Yes that has happened a few times this year. The Dublin goalie did it against Galway also when Daithi Burke scored a goal in the second half and noone within as ass's roar of him. Get off the field if you want to do that and play with 14!

tommy k (Galway) - Posts: 3470 - 12/06/2023 19:27:24    2486036

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Replying To BostonGuy:  "Not trying to defend HS for the slow decisions on Sunday but we don't seem to have the talent coming through. We have the core of our team from 2015/6, they have a lot of miles on the clock and there's a severe lack of pace in this team. How many of our current team would actually make the Limerick, Clare and to a lessor extent Tipp or Cork teams? As for the big versus smaller lads, lets face it skill and pace followed by a good defensive strategy, a great free taker and playing on the edge ultimately wins. I know smaller frame guys like Tommy Walsh, Sean Finn, DJ Carey, Jamsie etc and legends but If you have a player thats 6' plus with skill AND pace then that's going to trump a smaller guy, Joe Canning, Henry Shefflin, TJ Reid, Jackie Tyrell and many of the current Limerick team all way above 6' with skill, pace and strength. Its very hard to stop a Seamus Callanan, Kyle Hayes, Gearoid Hegarty, Burns at full throttle and with the skill to back it up.
We may think we are contenders, but ultimately we lie somewhere better than Dublin, Offaly and Wexford, possibly better than Waterford. Maybe on par with Tipp and Cork (but Cork have more potential) , not as good as Kilkenny and no where near Clare or Limerick."
We have lots of talent. But they're not getting a fair bite of the cherry. How is Jamie ryan - a constant performer in the Galway club championship with loughrea- and fair better than Declan mcloughlin, liam Collins, Jason Flynn and Donal o Shea, not even making the first 26? How is Martin McManus, who lit up the club championship last year not making the panel? It's a pure farce very disappointed in shefflin. But what do ya expect when you have Galway selectors in his ear. Conor cooney should be dropped, McInerney is woeful, the two corner backs are very poor. Tom monaghan should also be dropped.

Jackson88 (Galway) - Posts: 72 - 12/06/2023 20:17:08    2486048

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You'd want to be on Clarinbridge to win the title this year. Nice handy draw tonight and they probably have the best overall squad. Thomas' will qualify but I wouldn't bank on them to top a group with Turloughmore, Gort and Portumna. Sarsfields should top Group 4. Group 3 hard to call between Cappy and Loughrea.

galway19 (Galway) - Posts: 806 - 12/06/2023 20:36:58    2486053

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Of all the players you picked John Troy? Absolutely no chance. One of the most skilful forwards ever to play the game and very very much two sided.

I'll be murdered for this but for me thats why TJ will never be the greatest. His left side is massively better than his right and in space he always turns back on to it. Thats my opinion and I'll stick to it!"
I would say that the massively one sided TJ, as you suggest, is better than the vast majority of players that have ever played the game, two sided or not.

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2669 - 12/06/2023 20:57:14    2486056

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Ah Jesus the All Ireland Quarter Final for Galway is fixed for Saturday 24th......same day I'll be at a Concert in Dublin!!!
I have to find some way of getting to watch it......no way am I going to miss Galway beat Tipp!
Ok We didn't do ourselves justice v Kilkenny and bottled it but We shall repent for our sins v Tipperary.

katser (Galway) - Posts: 2481 - 12/06/2023 21:25:56    2486059

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Replying To Viking66:  "Who cares what he does in space? When you are in space you can turn on any side. It's how effective you are when you have no space, and he's one of the best at coming out with the ball and passing to a teammate, stick or hand, or shooting at the posts when under pressure. Thats why he's one of the greatest at the moment!!!"
Never said he wasn't one of the greatest at the moment. Cant be questioned. A lot are saying hes the greatest of all time but I still have up to 5 of his county men ahead of him

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 12/06/2023 22:53:27    2486074

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Replying To CillTormoir:  "Isn't a snowballs chance Galway will beat Tipp. I expect Tipp to hit more goals against us than KK did yesterday. Our key forward yesterday does struggle with consistency and I expect Tipp to hold him to a score or two, mostly to the fact he will be double marked to the point of frustration. Frustrating we've no puc out strategy only to 'launch it'. I was looking at our shape in forwards yesterday and all bunched, which is fine if you break to wings when ball hit, but no, just launched down into the traffic...which KK ate up all day."
Galway will be warm favs for that game and rightly so. Tipp have won on of last 9 cship games and have had the upper hand on Tipp. While I def give us a chance should we best offaly, there's no chance that Galway aren't favs for that game. On paper they have bucket loads more experience than Tipp. Their main issue is they have a manager who has absolutely zero passion for Galway hurling. You won't see him wearing maroon for many more games, I'd be confident of that

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 12/06/2023 23:16:52    2486078

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Replying To kiloughter:  "On the same theme didn't Martin McHugh say that the Gooch Cooper was a one trick pony on TSG some years ago. Just before 2014 I think and Gooch had 4 Sam Maguires in the bag by then. His justification was at the time Gooch only delivered against lesser opposition (referencing the systems failures against Tyrone in '03, '05 and '08). Anyhow I agree CW has more than one trick. The issue yesterday was the collective. You need 4 forwards on the button any day. Apart from some individual cameos only CW and Niland made the necessary impact. For our football team Shane Walsh gets loads of criticism levelled at him. Mostly unwarranted and unfair. People don't realise the efforts these guys make and we are lucky to have players like Whelan and Walsh with such a skill set."
Here, hear! Two class operators that any county would love to have!

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 2118 - 13/06/2023 04:04:30    2486084

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Hard to know whether to feel optimistic or whether to feel like they will down tools completely. Knowing them they will completely capitulate against Tipp. Liam Cahill as a manager has never lost a game against Galway at any level... or at least that is what they said on the radio. At this stage Henry has to make changes - Conor Cooney needs to be coming on as opposed to be coming off. I think he has used up all his lives by now. We were decimated at midfield and couldn't win any high ball or breaking ball in our half forward line.

We are down and soon to be out !!

MapleSyrup (Galway) - Posts: 165 - 13/06/2023 09:08:25    2486087

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Replying To galway19:  "You'd want to be on Clarinbridge to win the title this year. Nice handy draw tonight and they probably have the best overall squad. Thomas' will qualify but I wouldn't bank on them to top a group with Turloughmore, Gort and Portumna. Sarsfields should top Group 4. Group 3 hard to call between Cappy and Loughrea."
Best squad overall? They didn't look like they had last year. Over reliant on Niland.

Jackson88 (Galway) - Posts: 72 - 13/06/2023 10:01:30    2486097

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Full senior draw:

Group 1 - Larkins, Clarinbridge, Oranmore-Maree and Killimordaly

Group 2 - Gort, Thomas', Portumna, Turloughmore

Group 3 - Loughrea, Cappy, Moycullen, Kilconieron

Group 4 - Sarsfields, Ardrahan, Craughwell, Castlegar

Senior B:

Group 1 - Mellows, Athenry, Mullagh, Ahascragh Fohenagh

Group 2 - Kilimor, Pearses, Beagh, Kilnadeema Leitrim

Intermediate

Group 1 - Turlough, Carnmore, Annaghdown, Sylane

Group 2 - Kiltormer, Rahoon Newcastle, Clarinbridge, Kilbeacanty

Group 3 - Craughwell, Ballygar, Meelick Eyrecourt, Abbeyknockmoy

Group 4 - Kinvara, Spiddal, Tynagh Abbey-Duniry, Ballindereen

galway19 (Galway) - Posts: 806 - 13/06/2023 10:37:50    2486109

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Replying To Jackson88:  "Best squad overall? They didn't look like they had last year. Over reliant on Niland."
I think with the younger lads being more prominent this year they will be stronger. Liam Leen and Christy Brennan should be starting now and a spine of TJ, Shane Ryan, Foley, Kilduff, Gavin Lee, Niland and Salmon is strong. Also have to factor in Davy Burke probably out for Thomas' and Shane Cooney is struggling with his injury.

galway19 (Galway) - Posts: 806 - 13/06/2023 11:02:42    2486119

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