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Replying To gilly1910:  "I would have to disagree, defensively we were a shambles, at least three of those goals came from poor defending, and honestly if you were coaching an Under 12 team, you'd be livid with them for the comedy of errors leading up to the last goal. Gearoid Mc Inerney is not a full back, gets turned way too easily not to mention regularly gets dragged way out of position, maybe not this season, but probably time to move Fintan Burke into the full back position for he is way too slow for a half back, unfortunately perhaps a by-product of his cruciate injury. Shefflin also doesn't see to have a definitive plan for this team even after two years which is baffling, Joe spoke at half time yesterday about Conor Whelan never seeming to know what area of the pitch the ball is going to be played into, it's high balls, long balls, very few diagonal balls, but little or no plan for the forwards. You have to admire Kilkenny, probably their worst team in 25 years, but they are just never ever beaten. Even a vastly superior Limerick team fell over the line against them last year in the final, and if Galway had even half of their never say die attitude, we'd probably have a lot more than a miserable 5 All-Irelands. Definitely a few good signs there for Galway yesterday, cut out the mistakes, play for 70 minutes and they are a match for anyone, but as always with Galway you just never know? Tipp in two weeks is a litmus test, lose and it's yet again another very poor season for Galway."
It is complete nonsense to criticise Mac getting dragged out of position yesterday, as SP commented. I had a great view of it, and he was clearly on a man marking brief. His job was to mark TJ, and in fairness to Mac, TJ didn't beat us yesterday from open play. I don't think TJ featured majorly in any of KKs 4 goals, which highlights the scale of rubbish that you are talking about McInerney's defending. What was astonishing is that Galway seemed to be comfortable to live with the 2on2 in space inside, even though Cody was one of those KK two.

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3911 - 12/06/2023 14:31:24    2485867

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Not trying to defend HS for the slow decisions on Sunday but we don't seem to have the talent coming through. We have the core of our team from 2015/6, they have a lot of miles on the clock and there's a severe lack of pace in this team. How many of our current team would actually make the Limerick, Clare and to a lessor extent Tipp or Cork teams? As for the big versus smaller lads, lets face it skill and pace followed by a good defensive strategy, a great free taker and playing on the edge ultimately wins. I know smaller frame guys like Tommy Walsh, Sean Finn, DJ Carey, Jamsie etc and legends but If you have a player thats 6' plus with skill AND pace then that's going to trump a smaller guy, Joe Canning, Henry Shefflin, TJ Reid, Jackie Tyrell and many of the current Limerick team all way above 6' with skill, pace and strength. Its very hard to stop a Seamus Callanan, Kyle Hayes, Gearoid Hegarty, Burns at full throttle and with the skill to back it up.
We may think we are contenders, but ultimately we lie somewhere better than Dublin, Offaly and Wexford, possibly better than Waterford. Maybe on par with Tipp and Cork (but Cork have more potential) , not as good as Kilkenny and no where near Clare or Limerick.

BostonGuy (Galway) - Posts: 133 - 12/06/2023 15:46:39    2485907

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The best teams defend as a team. All good and well blaming the full back line. Blanchfield won the ball at one stage and Tom Monaghan barely jogged after him as he was coming out. Cathal Mannion a few times far too casual. The urgency wasn't there at all for long periods summed up well by the last play in the corner.

smallfrank (Galway) - Posts: 443 - 12/06/2023 15:46:59    2485909

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Its a long time since I seen an intercounty player be so one sided and mishitting a ball. Surprised thats not getting any attention"
Cormac Bonner?

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3911 - 12/06/2023 15:48:08    2485910

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Replying To Pope_Benedict:  "Cormac Bonner?"
before my time...so yep a long time..

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 12/06/2023 15:50:06    2485913

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Replying To BostonGuy:  "Not trying to defend HS for the slow decisions on Sunday but we don't seem to have the talent coming through. We have the core of our team from 2015/6, they have a lot of miles on the clock and there's a severe lack of pace in this team. How many of our current team would actually make the Limerick, Clare and to a lessor extent Tipp or Cork teams? As for the big versus smaller lads, lets face it skill and pace followed by a good defensive strategy, a great free taker and playing on the edge ultimately wins. I know smaller frame guys like Tommy Walsh, Sean Finn, DJ Carey, Jamsie etc and legends but If you have a player thats 6' plus with skill AND pace then that's going to trump a smaller guy, Joe Canning, Henry Shefflin, TJ Reid, Jackie Tyrell and many of the current Limerick team all way above 6' with skill, pace and strength. Its very hard to stop a Seamus Callanan, Kyle Hayes, Gearoid Hegarty, Burns at full throttle and with the skill to back it up.
We may think we are contenders, but ultimately we lie somewhere better than Dublin, Offaly and Wexford, possibly better than Waterford. Maybe on par with Tipp and Cork (but Cork have more potential) , not as good as Kilkenny and no where near Clare or Limerick."
On what basis do you think Galway are better than Dublin?

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3278 - 12/06/2023 15:50:19    2485916

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Replying To BostonGuy:  "Not trying to defend HS for the slow decisions on Sunday but we don't seem to have the talent coming through. We have the core of our team from 2015/6, they have a lot of miles on the clock and there's a severe lack of pace in this team. How many of our current team would actually make the Limerick, Clare and to a lessor extent Tipp or Cork teams? As for the big versus smaller lads, lets face it skill and pace followed by a good defensive strategy, a great free taker and playing on the edge ultimately wins. I know smaller frame guys like Tommy Walsh, Sean Finn, DJ Carey, Jamsie etc and legends but If you have a player thats 6' plus with skill AND pace then that's going to trump a smaller guy, Joe Canning, Henry Shefflin, TJ Reid, Jackie Tyrell and many of the current Limerick team all way above 6' with skill, pace and strength. Its very hard to stop a Seamus Callanan, Kyle Hayes, Gearoid Hegarty, Burns at full throttle and with the skill to back it up.
We may think we are contenders, but ultimately we lie somewhere better than Dublin, Offaly and Wexford, possibly better than Waterford. Maybe on par with Tipp and Cork (but Cork have more potential) , not as good as Kilkenny and no where near Clare or Limerick."
Really looking forward to Clare actually living up to their media darling 'press' at a semi-final sometime soon, instead of folding like a cheap suit as they dud a year ago, and got rewarded with 3 all-stars.

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3911 - 12/06/2023 15:56:27    2485922

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Replying To tiobraid:  "before my time...so yep a long time.."
'Bonner' Maher?

I'll have to drum up another 'bonner' somewhere, if you refute my second choice.

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3911 - 12/06/2023 16:00:02    2485927

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Team for tipp at this time I'm torn on where to play c mannion felt we arnt getting most of him playing deep but still managed 2-26 without him in attack

Not sure about linnane but done enough to be given a start

Positive of yesterday is niland continues to contribute from play and Kevin Cooney is becoming a good inter county forward.

Think we are missing an ignorant forward since Glynn left blehane looked an option a few years ago anyone else missing.

What ye think of shefflin getting rid of Sean loftus thought he never settled on a position while on panel and a bit like t monaghan flattered to deceive

1 Murphy
2 grealish
3 gmac
4 fintan
5 mannion
6 Burke
7 Killeen
8 j cooney
9 linnane
10 Flynn
11 mannion
12 k cooney
13 whelan
14 concannon
15 niland

jm25 (Galway) - Posts: 1308 - 12/06/2023 16:00:27    2485928

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Its a long time since I seen an intercounty player be so one sided and mishitting a ball. Surprised thats not getting any attention"
Aron Shanagher?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14247 - 12/06/2023 16:00:42    2485929

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "On what basis do you think Galway are better than Dublin?"
They go further than you do Barney. But head to head they have only won 1 of your last 4 championship meetings while you have won 2. Its a bit like us and Kilkenny. Or us and Westmeath.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14247 - 12/06/2023 16:02:06    2485930

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "On what basis do you think Galway are better than Dublin?"
They topped the Leinster group. Dublin came third. That'd be a start anyway. They bet Antrim, bet the **** outa them.

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3911 - 12/06/2023 16:05:05    2485934

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "On what basis do you think Galway are better than Dublin?"
I'll qualify my last answer with " in the recent past". Obviously you have more AIs won, the same as us.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14247 - 12/06/2023 16:06:23    2485935

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Its a long time since I seen an intercounty player be so one sided and mishitting a ball. Surprised thats not getting any attention"
I recall John Troy being very one-sided. Could be just a few moments I remember, but he seemed very poor on his weaker side.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2223 - 12/06/2023 16:31:54    2485948

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Replying To Kinvara:  "I don't think anyone would argue with a pundit being critical, but that comment was pure BS. He said it off air and Joannes eyes lit up because she knew it would cause a stir. Whelan should have been criticised for his performance vs Dub but as an overall player it was very strange

Joe was correct in his assessment of the ball in in that game, but even overall it was madness. Tyrell suggesting Whelan hasn't stepped up in Joe's absence? I disagree with that.

And the one trick pony comment? I didn't understand that. What is the one trick? He showed a fair few tricks today playing all over the place

On the game, I didn't think Galway were too bad. Unforced errors again but some good performances. Kevin Cooney is a brilliant hurler

I thought HS made a mistake having Mannion on Cody. I know he's given Grealish the run around but Mannion is more suited as a distributor and they missed that"
On the same theme didn't Martin McHugh say that the Gooch Cooper was a one trick pony on TSG some years ago. Just before 2014 I think and Gooch had 4 Sam Maguires in the bag by then. His justification was at the time Gooch only delivered against lesser opposition (referencing the systems failures against Tyrone in '03, '05 and '08). Anyhow I agree CW has more than one trick. The issue yesterday was the collective. You need 4 forwards on the button any day. Apart from some individual cameos only CW and Niland made the necessary impact. For our football team Shane Walsh gets loads of criticism levelled at him. Mostly unwarranted and unfair. People don't realise the efforts these guys make and we are lucky to have players like Whelan and Walsh with such a skill set.

kiloughter (Galway) - Posts: 1973 - 12/06/2023 16:32:28    2485950

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Replying To WanPintWin:  "I recall John Troy being very one-sided. Could be just a few moments I remember, but he seemed very poor on his weaker side."
Of all the players you picked John Troy? Absolutely no chance. One of the most skilful forwards ever to play the game and very very much two sided.

I'll be murdered for this but for me thats why TJ will never be the greatest. His left side is massively better than his right and in space he always turns back on to it. Thats my opinion and I'll stick to it!

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 12/06/2023 16:37:16    2485954

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Replying To Viking66:  "Aron Shanagher?"
Fair point.

That clearance effort at the end though was under 8 stuff.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 12/06/2023 16:38:25    2485956

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Replying To Pope_Benedict:  "'Bonner' Maher?

I'll have to drum up another 'bonner' somewhere, if you refute my second choice."
Disagree on the basis hes bad off both sides! :D

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 12/06/2023 16:39:10    2485958

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Replying To Pope_Benedict:  "They topped the Leinster group. Dublin came third. That'd be a start anyway. They bet Antrim, bet the **** outa them."
They were also supposed to bate the ***** out of Dublin. At the moment, there is no evidence that Galway are better than Dublin.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3278 - 12/06/2023 16:47:36    2485968

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Of all the players you picked John Troy? Absolutely no chance. One of the most skilful forwards ever to play the game and very very much two sided.

I'll be murdered for this but for me thats why TJ will never be the greatest. His left side is massively better than his right and in space he always turns back on to it. Thats my opinion and I'll stick to it!"
I echo this he is very left side dominant

jm25 (Galway) - Posts: 1308 - 12/06/2023 16:49:50    2485970

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