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Took a savage hit to his left elbow right after throw in. Essentially he played the full game with one arm.
Mayo52 (Mayo) - Posts: 44 - 12/06/2023 11:09:11 2485756 Link 1 |
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A savage hit care to explain as didn't see it.
Tiger1 (Wexford) - Posts: 280 - 12/06/2023 11:12:32 2485758 Link 1 |
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Galway were awful yesterday. Walter Walshe is 32 old and not very fast yet he left the most overrated of Galway player for dead (that over rated players is Fintan Burke, All Burke can do id take sidelines ). Cillian Buckley is 31 and came on a made a massive difference. Blanchfield who is average at the best of time looked like a star yesterday. How often can Joe Cooney, Conor Cooney, Padraig Mannion, McInerney, play poorly and still get their place. We have moved no where with Shefflin. Giving this job to a novice like Shefflin was silly. He must go. Even Kilkenny people dont think he is a any good as a manager. The county board has blood on their hands. Hurling will die with this team in Galway unless Shefflin stops picking players because of past performances. LottoPlus (Kilkenny) - Posts: 85 - 12/06/2023 11:23:11 2485762 Link 1 |
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I wouldn't be half as pessimistic as that. If Tipp get through their preliminary quarter as expected, I think there will be little between us.
WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2223 - 12/06/2023 11:25:52 2485764 Link 2 |
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I said it numerous times here before that Conor Cooney hasn't played a decent game for Galway in 5 years - the last one was in the AI semifinal v Clare in 2018! You can't pick a player continuously in the hope he will play well "one of these days". He had his usual wide yesterday but he barely touched the ball apart from a few fumbles when in possession. He may be the best club forward in Galway but he is nowhere near county standard for the last number of years I'm afraid. GMac and Fintan Burke were badly exposed for a lack of pace also - there is a general lack of pace as well as intensity in marking in the backs as a whole and midfield is also a problem area. I could only wonder afterwards how the likes of Aidan Harte, David Burke, Johnny Coen, Joe Canning and Johnny Glynn would have fared yesterday - I would think a heck of a lot better! In fairness the spirit in the team is very good and the players looked devastated for throwing it away (or should that be kicking it away?) in the end with kamikaze style "defending" but there are too many weaknesses in the backs, midfield and half forwards to be considered serious contenders from here on in. Conor Whelan is certainly no "one-trick pony" as Tyrrell mentioned - when on form as he was yesterday and with the right type of ball played into him he is the best forward in the country IMO and is a warrior who will fight for every ball. Problem is he never knows what type of ball he will get played into him unlike for instance Gillane of Limerick who more or less gets the same type of diagonal ball played in front of him most of the time.
tommy k (Galway) - Posts: 3470 - 12/06/2023 11:41:24 2485773 Link 2 |
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Ah come on youngeen you're laughing all the way to the baseball ballpark! For what its worth I fully endorse your message here and no I'm not running for president! lol
tommy k (Galway) - Posts: 3470 - 12/06/2023 11:46:15 2485781 Link 1 |
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He kicked it so well it went straight into Buckley's hands - if he tried that 100 times he would probably fail 99! The last 30 seconds summed up the lack of composure in the team and many Galway teams over the years - Reid and / or Donnelly should have been wrestled to the ground in the corner (even if it meant picking up a yellow or black card) and never allowed to get the strike away after Joseph Cooney and GMac's dithering fumbles / half swipes to clear. That's what any other county would have done including the so-call "weaker" counties if they were in a position of being 2 points up with the final whistle about to be blown! It reminded me a bit of the St- Thomas's / Ballyhale AI club semifinal last year where Toms thought they had it won before Reid sent the 30 metre free straight to the net, the subsequent Ballyhale / Ballygunner club final where Ballygunner got the last second goal to win it and the Offaly / Tipp minor final last year where Tipp scored with the last puck of the game to win it after a speculative lob into the square. Sickening to say the least for the losers!
tommy k (Galway) - Posts: 3470 - 12/06/2023 12:04:49 2485788 Link 1 |
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Best forward in the country you must be having a laugh excellent yesterday but way to inconsistent to be rated as high as you think surely.
Tiger1 (Wexford) - Posts: 280 - 12/06/2023 12:11:08 2485792 Link 1 |
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Usually when Galway play Tipp it's a one point win or loss. I expect Tipp to destroy Offaly but the Carlow vs Dublin match could be very interesting. I'd love to see Carlow pull an upset but I can't see it. Thank you and great job yesterday to all 4 teams involved in the 2 Provincial Finals. Excellent matches and effort.
Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 2282 - 12/06/2023 12:18:38 2485795 Link 0 |
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Unfortunately Galway hurling teams in particular are not good at retaining leads either and always seem to play better when well behind and / or often throw sizeable leads away by making a series of stupid mistakes / concentration lapses to make the other team look like superstars. Makes no sense but there it is in a nutshell!
tommy k (Galway) - Posts: 3470 - 12/06/2023 12:25:24 2485798 Link 1 |
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Great game to watch but the Galway enigma rolls on. They had all the hard work done, a ten point turnaround with 10 seconds left. Cruel but way better performance than last year, they're in a better place performance wise than last year when thy beat Cork and could've beaten Limerick only for David Reidy heroics for a finish. Since 2009 Galway, including replays, between, national league, Leinster and all Ireland have played in 19 finals and only won 5. In one way it does show a consistency in getting there but there is some mental blockage going on, even in 2017 when they won 3 of those 5 wins, they were about 10 points better than everyone but just about got over the line and 2018 there were still about 4/5 points better than everyone but couldn't get it done. It's very frustrating watching Galway with everything you'd want in a county not fulfill their promise, the last 10 years there's been generational talent but with such modest return. I'd love to see Caroline Currid go with Galway for a while just to see would it have any impact. A few people saying Shefflins tactics mighnt be the best but the one impact I've definitely seen him make is they are tbf to them a team that never gives up, yesterday, the Dublin game, Kilkenny in nowlan Park are prime games when galway teams would give up completely and let 6 points turn into a 12 point loss. But still that almost allergy to seeing out finals remains. It was a decent enough performance but there was too big a gap between the good lads and the lads who played poor, it was either one or the other. Goalie and full back line, the usual Galway Achilles heel. Eanna Murphy seems to dive for the sake of it, doesn't seem to be any confidence in him ever pulling off a save. He had one save from Eoin Cody but it was very easy save. 2nd time coming on here saying he needs to do better and I don't want to be calling him out, he was actually very good last year but seems to have reverted back 2020,2021 form. Padraic Mannion having to go back corner back robbed half back line of aerial and passing ability. He did well on Cody and will have nightmares about that goal but did well considering the amount of one on one ball he had to deal with but shows the lack of quality in man marking corner backs, Morrissey, Grealish and Brennan are all fine but not great one to one defenders, Grealish probably the best of them but can't seem to deal with Cody's power with the ball at all. Two very very even teams but Kilkenny have 4 Leinsters in a row now with is mad when you consider how even them and Galway are and how they both have similar records in the all Ireland series. It's going to be a hard road for Galway now but I'd be backing them to beat Tipp (once they dont take Offaly for granted) and they're surely due a win against Limerick going on how tight those two have been the last 5 years. But still I think it's going to be another Limerick v Kilkenny final, Limerick are a freak ot a team and Kilkenny are Kilkenny so wouldn't now. A lot of hurling still to be played. Throughthemidfieldhewasstormin (Wexford) - Posts: 286 - 12/06/2023 12:28:08 2485801 Link 2 |
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You can only be as consistent as the ball played into you - Messi would not be a very good soccer player if he got little or no support or proper balls played into him!
tommy k (Galway) - Posts: 3470 - 12/06/2023 12:30:02 2485802 Link 1 |
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I would have to disagree, defensively we were a shambles, at least three of those goals came from poor defending, and honestly if you were coaching an Under 12 team, you'd be livid with them for the comedy of errors leading up to the last goal. Gearoid Mc Inerney is not a full back, gets turned way too easily not to mention regularly gets dragged way out of position, maybe not this season, but probably time to move Fintan Burke into the full back position for he is way too slow for a half back, unfortunately perhaps a by-product of his cruciate injury. Shefflin also doesn't see to have a definitive plan for this team even after two years which is baffling, Joe spoke at half time yesterday about Conor Whelan never seeming to know what area of the pitch the ball is going to be played into, it's high balls, long balls, very few diagonal balls, but little or no plan for the forwards. You have to admire Kilkenny, probably their worst team in 25 years, but they are just never ever beaten. Even a vastly superior Limerick team fell over the line against them last year in the final, and if Galway had even half of their never say die attitude, we'd probably have a lot more than a miserable 5 All-Irelands. Definitely a few good signs there for Galway yesterday, cut out the mistakes, play for 70 minutes and they are a match for anyone, but as always with Galway you just never know? Tipp in two weeks is a litmus test, lose and it's yet again another very poor season for Galway.
gilly1910 (Galway) - Posts: 181 - 12/06/2023 12:39:40 2485805 Link 1 |
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The current Kilkenny team, say post 2016, is average for a top 9 County, and average by the standards they set earlier this millennium. We beat them the last time we played them in a final so it's not trophies make the difference. What might make the difference for us playing them is the decades of history going back to the late 40s. They are our main rivals at all agegroups since then in hurling. Wexford lads would try that bit harder when playing them than they would against any other counties except perhaps Offaly. Sadly for us Wexford fans! Wish the lads felt the same about you, Dublin and Westmeath. In that same time period, since 2016, our championship record against all 3 of you is actually terrible. And you may as well make Clare an honorary Leinster county too in that period, as we have played them more often than any Leinster county between 2017 and 2022, and like our record against most Leinster counties our record against them is ***** also!!!
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14247 - 12/06/2023 12:54:38 2485808 Link 1 |
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Yes because the lazy narrative is that Galway are "gutless" and KK are "always in the game". They don't want to admit that Galway are the team this year that have been making "gallant comebacks" from very deep holes of their own making admittedly. I mentioned that here a couple of weeks ago.
tommy k (Galway) - Posts: 3470 - 12/06/2023 13:01:56 2485814 Link 1 |
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The final goal could turn out to be a blessing. If we had won all the talk would be about the amazing comeback and little focus on the real problems in the team. Now the management can apply themselves to fill the gaps and try to avoid the 10-20 minute rest periods they take during the game. SixtiesKid (Galway) - Posts: 331 - 12/06/2023 13:04:35 2485816 Link 1 |
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It's a pretty bold assumption that McInerney followed TJ Reid out the field of his own volition with no input from the sideline. A full back will never leave that position voluntarily so we must assume the instructions from the sideline were to man mark. You would have expected Reid to drop, he always does, so if McInerney is following him (following instructions, of course) naturally he will be 'dragged out of position' as he hasn't got the gift of being in two places at once. The question to be asked is why was nobody tasked with covering the space left behind, or more pertinently, why wasn't someone else detailed to pick up Reid when he went out the field instead of blaming his man who was clearly told to man mark him? BTW if Galway didn't have a 'never say die attitude' they would have folded the tent with 20 minutes left and 8 points down and nothing going to plan, if there even was a plan in the first place, which is debatable. That's three games this year (four if you include giving Wexford a head start) where we have overhauled pretty substantial disadvantages. From there the players picked themselves off the floor to the extent that they overhauled Kilkenny going into stoppage time. That took guts and a great attitude, as well as the smarts to stop competing with KIlkenny in the air with the hand, though (while its easy to say now of course) had we done that from earlier on, it's likely we would have got the job done. You can criticise quite a few things from day to day, performances are uneven and things could always be better but you can't question the attitude and belief of the players. It's funny, but if Buckley's shot went outside the post instead of inside there would be a whole different narrative today. If Kilkenny had been a point down instead of two he would have popped the point. The margins are small. Stool Pigeon (Galway) - Posts: 906 - 12/06/2023 13:30:44 2485835 Link 3 |
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Its a long time since I seen an intercounty player be so one sided and mishitting a ball. Surprised thats not getting any attention tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 12/06/2023 13:48:28 2485842 Link 1 |
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Mannion did well on Cody? I thought the losing of the game was that he wasnt taken off. He isnt hurling well and its known for 8 years he cant play in a man marking role. Really really strange call from Shefllin.
tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 12/06/2023 14:01:33 2485852 Link 2 |
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I was thinking the same thing myself - of course it would have been great to win coming from 8 points down but it would be "papering over" too many cracks in that team as presently constituted. You could say the goalie, most of the backs, midfield and at least 2 of the half forwards played poorly for most of the game and how we found ourselves 2 points up is hard to fathom apart from the never say die spirit in the team and some great skill shown by some of the forwards notably Whelan and Kevin Cooney and to a lesser extent Concannon and Niland.
tommy k (Galway) - Posts: 3470 - 12/06/2023 14:03:35 2485854 Link 2 |