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Setting this up for Donegal posters (and others who may be interested) to discuss the junior, intermediate and senior football championships in Donegal.

What do we make of the action so far?

In the senior I would say Gaoth Dobhair have been most impressive having swatted Milford and St Michaels aside. I think they might be lacking one killer forward to go all the way but they're very strong elsewhere.

Glenties got a wee scare last weekend against Ballyshannon but no doubt they're still favourites.

Kilcar have also been very impressive, particularly away to Eunans in the first game. They'll need no motivation to try and win it again after the way the 2020 final ended up.

In the intermediate I think Naomh Columba and Cloughaneely look the most likely winners.

In the junior Letterkenny Gaels look to be moving well and their promotion to Div 2 will have given them confidence that they can finally get out of junior.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 7442 - 30/09/2021 12:36:45    2383708

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Good man Lockjaw, interesting rematch coming up next week between Ardara and Bundoran,could be tasty,
think Gaoth Dobhair are showing great form in the senior and great to see Neil back playing.
I will miss the county forum especially right now in the middle of the Championships,
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Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 1798 - 30/09/2021 14:19:54    2383748

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "Good man Lockjaw, interesting rematch coming up next week between Ardara and Bundoran,could be tasty,
think Gaoth Dobhair are showing great form in the senior and great to see Neil back playing.
I will miss the county forum especially right now in the middle of the Championships,
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Yeah I was surprised to see Neil back playing. He's a tough lad. Just hope the back is ok. He'd want to be careful that it doesn't come back to haunt him in later years. A bad back is not a nice thing.

These admin errors are becoming an embarrassment. It is bad enough that the 2020 final was only played a few weeks ago. But since then there's been appeal and counter-appeal and no one seems to know what is going on. Then of course we have the Ardara-Bundoran situation now as well. These teams nearly have platoons of background teams. Surely it can't be that hard to keep track of substitutions used? Or maybe it's the rules themselves that need to be simplified or clarified?

Anyways, away from all that, are there any players who have caught the eye yet that could force their way into Declan Bonner's thoughts for 2022?

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 7442 - 30/09/2021 14:46:39    2383769

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Another trimming dished out by one of the big 4 last night. No fault of Kilcar but beatings like that does neither team any good. One point from play at home in a championship game is a pathetic return by a proud club like Ardara.

There are a number of teams in the Senior Championship clearly out of their depth. A colleague was telling me during the week that Dublin have an SFC 1 and SFC 2. It means that the weaker senior clubs can realistically win a few championship games, possibly even a championship and gain momenteum to carry into SFC 1 the following year should they collect silverware.

SFC 1 this year would probably consist of Glenties, Kilcar, GD, Eunans, St Michael's, Glenswilly, Bundoran and Aodh Ruadh. SFC 2 would include Glenfin, St Nauls, McCools, Milford, Killybegs, Termon, Ardara and Four Masters.

Surely a set up like this should be considered in Donegal?

peiledoir20 (Donegal) - Posts: 96 - 02/10/2021 11:58:42    2384112

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "Good man Lockjaw, interesting rematch coming up next week between Ardara and Bundoran,could be tasty,
think Gaoth Dobhair are showing great form in the senior and great to see Neil back playing.
I will miss the county forum especially right now in the middle of the Championships,
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We lost the appeal this morning. So no game next week I'm afraid.

Realt1977 (Donegal) - Posts: 11 - 02/10/2021 12:45:01    2384118

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Replying To Realt1977:  "We lost the appeal this morning. So no game next week I'm afraid."
Right that's an end to that so, haven't heard how the games going in Ballybofey but if you win today ye'll be well set anyway. St Nauls v Glenswilly should be good today.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 1798 - 02/10/2021 13:22:47    2384125

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Replying To peiledoir20:  "Another trimming dished out by one of the big 4 last night. No fault of Kilcar but beatings like that does neither team any good. One point from play at home in a championship game is a pathetic return by a proud club like Ardara.

There are a number of teams in the Senior Championship clearly out of their depth. A colleague was telling me during the week that Dublin have an SFC 1 and SFC 2. It means that the weaker senior clubs can realistically win a few championship games, possibly even a championship and gain momenteum to carry into SFC 1 the following year should they collect silverware.

SFC 1 this year would probably consist of Glenties, Kilcar, GD, Eunans, St Michael's, Glenswilly, Bundoran and Aodh Ruadh. SFC 2 would include Glenfin, St Nauls, McCools, Milford, Killybegs, Termon, Ardara and Four Masters.

Surely a set up like this should be considered in Donegal?"
There was a bit of discussion onnthd county forum on this area. Tony boyle on the ocean fm gaa podcast about the strength of the big teams. It was though nice to see aodh ruadh draw with Naomh Conaill last and maybe see a wee bridging of the gap.
I think tipperary have introduced senior b in their hurling as well though think they are both working off a senior base of 32 clubs

I think in donegal they should consider reducing senior to 12 and maybe have 16 intermediate. It wouldn't eliminate all the mismatches but would reduce them and make the intermediate even more competitive and worthy of winning. And ultimately 2 up 2 down would probably be needed then as well.

Ulsterchamps_32 (Donegal) - Posts: 459 - 02/10/2021 15:01:06    2384141

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How was the 2020 combined 16-team, 4-match SFC format assessed in it's aftermath - good, bad, mixed opinions ? I see it wasn't retained.

omahant (USA) - Posts: 2150 - 02/10/2021 15:51:38    2384156

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Not many shocks over the weekend with maybe St Naul's victory over Glenswilly raising a few eyebrows or perhaps Four Masters running St. Michael's close being the only results of note.

Predictions for this weekend:

Aodh Ruadh v Ardara - Aodh Ruadh to win by 8 points
Bundoran v St Eunan's - Eunans by 6
Termon v SeanMacCumhaills - Draw
Glenswilly v Naomh Conaill - Glenties by 6
St Michael's v Killybegs - St Michaels by 3
Glenfin v Four Masters - Glenfin by 4
Milford v St Naul's - St Nauls by 1
Kilcar - Gaoth Dobhair - Gaoth Dobhair by 2

I think that would leave the 8 quarter finalists as Gaoth Dobhair, Naomh Conaill, Kilcar, St. Eunans, St. Michaels, St. Nauls, Aodh Ruadh & Glenfin.

In the intermediate:

Naomh Brid v Naomh Columba - Naomh Columba

Naomh Muire v Dungloe - Dungloe

Gaeil Fhánada v Buncrana - Difficult to call, just about Buncrana

Cloughaneely v Malin - CCF to advance

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 7442 - 04/10/2021 14:46:22    2384381

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "Not many shocks over the weekend with maybe St Naul's victory over Glenswilly raising a few eyebrows or perhaps Four Masters running St. Michael's close being the only results of note.

Predictions for this weekend:

Aodh Ruadh v Ardara - Aodh Ruadh to win by 8 points
Bundoran v St Eunan's - Eunans by 6
Termon v SeanMacCumhaills - Draw
Glenswilly v Naomh Conaill - Glenties by 6
St Michael's v Killybegs - St Michaels by 3
Glenfin v Four Masters - Glenfin by 4
Milford v St Naul's - St Nauls by 1
Kilcar - Gaoth Dobhair - Gaoth Dobhair by 2

I think that would leave the 8 quarter finalists as Gaoth Dobhair, Naomh Conaill, Kilcar, St. Eunans, St. Michaels, St. Nauls, Aodh Ruadh & Glenfin.

In the intermediate:

Naomh Brid v Naomh Columba - Naomh Columba

Naomh Muire v Dungloe - Dungloe

Gaeil Fhánada v Buncrana - Difficult to call, just about Buncrana

Cloughaneely v Malin - CCF to advance"
Hi Lockjaw: Based on your predictions I think Glenswilly would then pip Glenfin on points difference for 8th place. A lot will depend on how some teams such as Termon and Four Masters approach their games. If Sean Mac Cumhaills can put up a middling score victory in Termon I think they will make the quarters as their points difference is in their favour at the moment. Glenfin will need to really hammer Four Masters but Glenfin's points difference is against them and Glenfin are not really a team to inflict heavy defeats. So the approach of Termon and Four Masters will be important. Glenswilly will need a draw or victory against N Conaill or worst case scenario a low points defeat and hope to make it on points difference then. If Milford can beat St Nauls or Killybegs can beat St Michaels or both are victorious this will help Glenswilly provided they don't lose too heavily and help Sean Mac Cumhaills provided they win by a bit of a margin. Kilcar, N Conaill, Gweedore, St Nauls, St Eunans, Aodh Rua, St Michael's and Sean Mac Cumhaills scraping in on points difference. Wonder what's the Rock's take on it?

AudiMan (Donegal) - Posts: 527 - 05/10/2021 09:27:29    2384452

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "Not many shocks over the weekend with maybe St Naul's victory over Glenswilly raising a few eyebrows or perhaps Four Masters running St. Michael's close being the only results of note.

Predictions for this weekend:

Aodh Ruadh v Ardara - Aodh Ruadh to win by 8 points
Bundoran v St Eunan's - Eunans by 6
Termon v SeanMacCumhaills - Draw
Glenswilly v Naomh Conaill - Glenties by 6
St Michael's v Killybegs - St Michaels by 3
Glenfin v Four Masters - Glenfin by 4
Milford v St Naul's - St Nauls by 1
Kilcar - Gaoth Dobhair - Gaoth Dobhair by 2

I think that would leave the 8 quarter finalists as Gaoth Dobhair, Naomh Conaill, Kilcar, St. Eunans, St. Michaels, St. Nauls, Aodh Ruadh & Glenfin.

In the intermediate:

Naomh Brid v Naomh Columba - Naomh Columba

Naomh Muire v Dungloe - Dungloe

Gaeil Fhánada v Buncrana - Difficult to call, just about Buncrana

Cloughaneely v Malin - CCF to advance"
Very interesting to see you go for a Gweedore win in Towney. I know they are coming into a bit of form but Towney is a horrible place to go as an away team. As for our lads we got our scare two weeks ago and I hope they can kick on from that.

Does anyone know the format of the QF is open draw or open draw but you can't play a team that you have already played.

naomh_conaill_4 (Donegal) - Posts: 408 - 05/10/2021 09:47:44    2384455

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Replying To naomh_conaill_4:  "Very interesting to see you go for a Gweedore win in Towney. I know they are coming into a bit of form but Towney is a horrible place to go as an away team. As for our lads we got our scare two weeks ago and I hope they can kick on from that.

Does anyone know the format of the QF is open draw or open draw but you can't play a team that you have already played."
Hi naomh_conaill_4 in a row:. I have asked 3 different people this question and got different answers so it seems a bit of a mystery. How will use approach the Glenswilly game? The "welcome" banners will be out I'm sure.

AudiMan (Donegal) - Posts: 527 - 05/10/2021 10:41:24    2384461

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Replying To naomh_conaill_4:  "Very interesting to see you go for a Gweedore win in Towney. I know they are coming into a bit of form but Towney is a horrible place to go as an away team. As for our lads we got our scare two weeks ago and I hope they can kick on from that.

Does anyone know the format of the QF is open draw or open draw but you can't play a team that you have already played."
Yeah it all depends I guess on what the approach is from both teams. They're both through so maybe there will be a bit of shadow boxing and extended squad members getting a start?

As far as I am aware the draw is open, but teams that have met already cannot be drawn together. So yourselves for example can't be drawn to play against Aodh Ruadh, Glenfin or Glenswilly (if they get through)
Kilcar can't play Eunans or Gaoth Dobhair etc

@Audiman - you are correct, I was only having a wild stab at it without having looked at the intricacies of the various scoring differences. The local journalists will need to have their wits about them updating the various permutations on Saturday afternoon.

As expected, the "Big 4" are more or less through, and then there's an almighty scramble for the remaining 4 places.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 7442 - 05/10/2021 10:53:34    2384462

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Replying To AudiMan:  "Hi naomh_conaill_4 in a row:. I have asked 3 different people this question and got different answers so it seems a bit of a mystery. How will use approach the Glenswilly game? The "welcome" banners will be out I'm sure."
What I want is for us to go for full blaze from the get go and try show get it that form we showed in the league were we feared nobody but the issue between now and then is we now fear defeat whereas before we could lose in the league and it would be ok.

@Lockjaw from what your saying is Kilcar must be licking there lips knowing that they don't have to play two heavy hitters.

It a very interesting Championship so far that i don't think has sprung to life and probably won't until the QF's. We will definitely lose a big team in the QF's this year it wont be like last year were Gweedore played Kilcar and Eunans played NC.

As for Outsiders does anyone see there being a shock winner this year?

naomh_conaill_4 (Donegal) - Posts: 408 - 05/10/2021 15:05:27    2384503

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Replying To naomh_conaill_4:  "What I want is for us to go for full blaze from the get go and try show get it that form we showed in the league were we feared nobody but the issue between now and then is we now fear defeat whereas before we could lose in the league and it would be ok.

@Lockjaw from what your saying is Kilcar must be licking there lips knowing that they don't have to play two heavy hitters.

It a very interesting Championship so far that i don't think has sprung to life and probably won't until the QF's. We will definitely lose a big team in the QF's this year it wont be like last year were Gweedore played Kilcar and Eunans played NC.

As for Outsiders does anyone see there being a shock winner this year?"
Yes Kilcar might have a small advantage in the quarters in that they can avoid GD or Eunans. But then they could get drawn against yourselves.

From what I've seen so far I can't see an outsider winning it. An outsider might catch out a big hitter on a one off day, but i couldn't see someone like Aodh Ruadh for example beating Saint Michaels QF, Gaoth Dobhair SF & Naomh Conaill final.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 7442 - 05/10/2021 16:29:02    2384517

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Replying To naomh_conaill_4:  "What I want is for us to go for full blaze from the get go and try show get it that form we showed in the league were we feared nobody but the issue between now and then is we now fear defeat whereas before we could lose in the league and it would be ok.

@Lockjaw from what your saying is Kilcar must be licking there lips knowing that they don't have to play two heavy hitters.

It a very interesting Championship so far that i don't think has sprung to life and probably won't until the QF's. We will definitely lose a big team in the QF's this year it wont be like last year were Gweedore played Kilcar and Eunans played NC.

As for Outsiders does anyone see there being a shock winner this year?"
Hi naomh_conaill_4:. If Glenswilly keep it really tight or gain a draw and Glenfin defeat Four Masters heavily, depending on other results you could have a scenario that the 3 teams Naomh Conaill have already played will also be in the quarters meaning you can't draw them again and would therefore be limited to face Kilcar, Gweedore, Eunans or say St Michaels. I think the Glen won't be for the faint hearted Saturday afternoon.

AudiMan (Donegal) - Posts: 527 - 05/10/2021 20:39:16    2384548

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Replying To AudiMan:  "Hi naomh_conaill_4:. If Glenswilly keep it really tight or gain a draw and Glenfin defeat Four Masters heavily, depending on other results you could have a scenario that the 3 teams Naomh Conaill have already played will also be in the quarters meaning you can't draw them again and would therefore be limited to face Kilcar, Gweedore, Eunans or say St Michaels. I think the Glen won't be for the faint hearted Saturday afternoon."
Yeah there are some exciting permutations. To further complicate matters I think Bundoran have taken their case to Croke Park now. We might not have reached the end of that saga just yet.

Glenswilly Naomh Conaill matches have always been spicy. Was it in 2013 there was a wild ruction? Haymakers being thrown like big Usyk the other night.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 7442 - 06/10/2021 12:32:15    2384596

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Replying To AudiMan:  "Hi naomh_conaill_4:. If Glenswilly keep it really tight or gain a draw and Glenfin defeat Four Masters heavily, depending on other results you could have a scenario that the 3 teams Naomh Conaill have already played will also be in the quarters meaning you can't draw them again and would therefore be limited to face Kilcar, Gweedore, Eunans or say St Michaels. I think the Glen won't be for the faint hearted Saturday afternoon."
That post definitely deserves a dislike button cause that doesn't sound good for us. I totally agree I think we are in for a tight low scoring game on Saturday and tbh I think either team can win it.

@lockjaw I think the ruction was in 2011 and the black card fiasco was in 2013 but I could be wrong as well but no matter there is no love lost between the clubs.

naomh_conaill_4 (Donegal) - Posts: 408 - 06/10/2021 14:07:47    2384609

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Replying To AudiMan:  "Hi Lockjaw: Based on your predictions I think Glenswilly would then pip Glenfin on points difference for 8th place. A lot will depend on how some teams such as Termon and Four Masters approach their games. If Sean Mac Cumhaills can put up a middling score victory in Termon I think they will make the quarters as their points difference is in their favour at the moment. Glenfin will need to really hammer Four Masters but Glenfin's points difference is against them and Glenfin are not really a team to inflict heavy defeats. So the approach of Termon and Four Masters will be important. Glenswilly will need a draw or victory against N Conaill or worst case scenario a low points defeat and hope to make it on points difference then. If Milford can beat St Nauls or Killybegs can beat St Michaels or both are victorious this will help Glenswilly provided they don't lose too heavily and help Sean Mac Cumhaills provided they win by a bit of a margin. Kilcar, N Conaill, Gweedore, St Nauls, St Eunans, Aodh Rua, St Michael's and Sean Mac Cumhaills scraping in on points difference. Wonder what's the Rock's take on it?"
Hi Audi.
Think Kilcar at home. Both teams won't be eitherly fussed but can't see kilcar losing at home. Kilcar by 4
Aodh R by 7
Eunans by 6
Michael's by 5
Mc cuhaills by 4
Nauls by 1
Glenfin by 9
Glenties by 12

TheRock2121 (Donegal) - Posts: 739 - 06/10/2021 14:17:33    2384610

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "Yeah there are some exciting permutations. To further complicate matters I think Bundoran have taken their case to Croke Park now. We might not have reached the end of that saga just yet.

Glenswilly Naomh Conaill matches have always been spicy. Was it in 2013 there was a wild ruction? Haymakers being thrown like big Usyk the other night."
It was in 2011 and two weeks before the Donegal Derry Ulster Final. It was an all in 30+ man melee. Murphy (being mindful of the upcoming Ulster Final) tried to get Leo out of it but he didn't listen and ended up with a broken jaw and subsequently missed the Ulster Final. My abiding memory of that day was Murphy walking away from the on field chaos and being applauded by all spectators as he walked towards the dressing rooms. Class is permanent as they say.

peiledoir20 (Donegal) - Posts: 96 - 06/10/2021 14:53:40    2384621

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