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No idea why pre match parade not happening. Tickets for Sunday only €10 for general admission which is very fair. Regarding the match itself think Loman's will be very hard to beat. They drew last week with no more than four players remotely playing up to scratch, that will not happen on Sunday. They will definitely have changes on their starting team with Kevin Regan certain to start after a decent sub's role in drawn game and Paddy Dowdall and Shane Dempsey are likely to start. Loman's have simply significant more room for improvement. Garrycastle destroyed them on GC kickouts, Declan Kelly will counter that. Loman's kicked 16-17 wides also. Garrycastle played their best football of the year in the drawn game and it wasn't enough. If Loman's get 2-3 points ahead on Sunday I think they'll win by 6-7.

Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 385 - 18/11/2021 15:28:57    2389896

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Replying To Claretandblue:  "No idea why pre match parade not happening. Tickets for Sunday only €10 for general admission which is very fair. Regarding the match itself think Loman's will be very hard to beat. They drew last week with no more than four players remotely playing up to scratch, that will not happen on Sunday. They will definitely have changes on their starting team with Kevin Regan certain to start after a decent sub's role in drawn game and Paddy Dowdall and Shane Dempsey are likely to start. Loman's have simply significant more room for improvement. Garrycastle destroyed them on GC kickouts, Declan Kelly will counter that. Loman's kicked 16-17 wides also. Garrycastle played their best football of the year in the drawn game and it wasn't enough. If Loman's get 2-3 points ahead on Sunday I think they'll win by 6-7."
Think both teams have significant room for improvement despite Sunday being a very entertaining game. M Monaghan played well for the first 20 minutes and outside of that I think Gardiner was the only Garrycastle forward that played well. Barrett in midfield was also quiet. Garrycastle had a number of bad wides themselves especially in the second half and must have went about half an hour without a score either side of half time.

Loman's similarly had a spell of not scoring from 6-7 minutes till about 25 minutes in the first half. They did have bad wides too and they'll feel like they could get more out of Heslin and O'Toole although neither played particularly badly. I agree that Regan and Dowdall are likely to start but I don't think Dempsey has justified a starting spot based off any of the three times I've seen him this year.

I can see it being close again. I certainly don't see a comfortable victory for either side. I'll go for Garrycastle to edge it but that's just based off the fact that they've looked better than Loman's in each of the knockout rounds in my opinion.

anon (None) - Posts: 342 - 18/11/2021 16:10:34    2389904

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Replying To Claretandblue:  "Match discussion going well!!!"
There was no match discussion going on so might aswell talk about something else! Lol

Edman78 (Westmeath) - Posts: 14 - 18/11/2021 17:21:59    2389912

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Replying To anon:  "Think both teams have significant room for improvement despite Sunday being a very entertaining game. M Monaghan played well for the first 20 minutes and outside of that I think Gardiner was the only Garrycastle forward that played well. Barrett in midfield was also quiet. Garrycastle had a number of bad wides themselves especially in the second half and must have went about half an hour without a score either side of half time.

Loman's similarly had a spell of not scoring from 6-7 minutes till about 25 minutes in the first half. They did have bad wides too and they'll feel like they could get more out of Heslin and O'Toole although neither played particularly badly. I agree that Regan and Dowdall are likely to start but I don't think Dempsey has justified a starting spot based off any of the three times I've seen him this year.

I can see it being close again. I certainly don't see a comfortable victory for either side. I'll go for Garrycastle to edge it but that's just based off the fact that they've looked better than Loman's in each of the knockout rounds in my opinion."
I agree with you about Dempsey, that seemed a bizarre decision at the time to take off Peter Foy when he was as probably Lomans best player in the first half. It was very hard to figure out where any of the Lomans forwards were actually playing, they were all in a different position at nearly every play, anyone have any insight into what they were trying to do there? I know they conceded the kick outs which was fairly obvious to see but as they attacked there was no real strategy to it .

Edman78 (Westmeath) - Posts: 14 - 18/11/2021 20:35:07    2389928

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Will Dessie get a run again tommorrow? Wouldn't surprise me. Cathal mannion back from suspension tommorrow be a big plus for garrycastle off the bench

Westmeath213 (Westmeath) - Posts: 209 - 20/11/2021 11:10:21    2390071

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James Sheerin and Conor Cosgrove both scored off the bench for Garrycastle last week and Jason Nugent and Cathal Mannion are regular subs who usually make a decent impact. Those are all forwards so hard to see Dessie getting in before any of them. His introduction did nothing the last day so be surprised if he's brought in.

Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 385 - 20/11/2021 13:58:45    2390086

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Loman's the champions again and probably deserved to win over the 90 mins or so. They got team selection right this time with Kevin Regan, Paddy Dowdall and Shane Dempsey all starting and each was in contention for man of the match. Garrycastle will rue their third quarter when they obliterated Loman's on the kickouts but missed 5-6 chances. They panicked a bit looking for goals too early. Unusual game in many respects with Loman's wiped at midfield for long spells and particularly in second half but any team with John Heslin always has a chance. He was quiet for long spells but still ended scoring five sublime points from play, in extra time he was the difference. Alex Gardiner scored a fabulous goal and Andrew Monaghan was superb for Garrycastle all through along with John Gaffey. A decent game, both sides went goal hunting at stages when a point was crucial.

Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 385 - 21/11/2021 18:30:32    2390195

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Replying To Claretandblue:  "Loman's the champions again and probably deserved to win over the 90 mins or so. They got team selection right this time with Kevin Regan, Paddy Dowdall and Shane Dempsey all starting and each was in contention for man of the match. Garrycastle will rue their third quarter when they obliterated Loman's on the kickouts but missed 5-6 chances. They panicked a bit looking for goals too early. Unusual game in many respects with Loman's wiped at midfield for long spells and particularly in second half but any team with John Heslin always has a chance. He was quiet for long spells but still ended scoring five sublime points from play, in extra time he was the difference. Alex Gardiner scored a fabulous goal and Andrew Monaghan was superb for Garrycastle all through along with John Gaffey. A decent game, both sides went goal hunting at stages when a point was crucial."
Good synopsis of game. We did speculate that Lomans would learn more from drawn game and so it proved. Quality of football not the highest but great entertainment. Garrycastle never really took control of the game despite their opportunities. Lomans have just too many good forwards. Really the game never should have gone to ET with that chance lomans had, similar to Gardiner's last week. But hat's off to the GC keeper who kicked the crucial 45. However the goal they handed to Lomans was poor defending. Well done to Declan Kelly, the coolest man in the park. No histrionics, shouting at officials etc unlike Keane and Duignan. Kelly surely favourite to take Offaly senior job whenever vacancy arises. Quarter Final away to Portarlington in 2 weeks which will be tricky.

BigSur (Westmeath) - Posts: 838 - 21/11/2021 21:50:54    2390243

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Replying To BigSur:  "Good synopsis of game. We did speculate that Lomans would learn more from drawn game and so it proved. Quality of football not the highest but great entertainment. Garrycastle never really took control of the game despite their opportunities. Lomans have just too many good forwards. Really the game never should have gone to ET with that chance lomans had, similar to Gardiner's last week. But hat's off to the GC keeper who kicked the crucial 45. However the goal they handed to Lomans was poor defending. Well done to Declan Kelly, the coolest man in the park. No histrionics, shouting at officials etc unlike Keane and Duignan. Kelly surely favourite to take Offaly senior job whenever vacancy arises. Quarter Final away to Portarlington in 2 weeks which will be tricky."
Did Dessie get a run yesterday?

sourmilk93 (Roscommon) - Posts: 769 - 22/11/2021 09:56:41    2390266

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No, strange that he didn't as they needed him more yesterday than in the drawn match. Element of panic in their forward line in the third quarter when they were totally dominant possession wise and a cool, experienced head might have helped.

Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 385 - 22/11/2021 11:00:57    2390278

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Lomans were much the better team in extra time but over the 60 minutes on both days there was nothing between the teams and both games could have gone either way. Unfortunately, we had two more howlers from umpires yesterday. The second "point" awarded to Lomans yesterday (kicked by Shane Dempsey, I think) was clearly wide on the right hand side. Later in the half a Lomans point was signalled wide by the other umpire. On this occasion the referee intervened and correctly awarded the point, but one wonders why he didn't intervene on the earlier one. On another note, the quality of the programmes on both days was very poor. I would happily have paid an extra two euros for a better production, similar to what Paddy Flanagan used to produce for so many years.

midlands (Westmeath) - Posts: 324 - 22/11/2021 11:34:47    2390286

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Replying To midlands:  "Lomans were much the better team in extra time but over the 60 minutes on both days there was nothing between the teams and both games could have gone either way. Unfortunately, we had two more howlers from umpires yesterday. The second "point" awarded to Lomans yesterday (kicked by Shane Dempsey, I think) was clearly wide on the right hand side. Later in the half a Lomans point was signalled wide by the other umpire. On this occasion the referee intervened and correctly awarded the point, but one wonders why he didn't intervene on the earlier one. On another note, the quality of the programmes on both days was very poor. I would happily have paid an extra two euros for a better production, similar to what Paddy Flanagan used to produce for so many years."
unforyuately there is no one of paddy flanagans calibre involved in westmeath gaa now

mickcunningham (Westmeath) - Posts: 1377 - 22/11/2021 12:14:37    2390299

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Paddy Flanagan's work in this area is an exception, he is recognised as the model in PRO work. However, I think criticism of the match programme is harsh, there were plenty of well written articles, team sheets, facts and figures. What else do people want in a programme? Hugely time consuming job to put together a match programme. The job of county PRO is arguably the most time consuming of any executive role within the GAA, the job is evolving yearly, social media content is a massive aspect and there are many other parts too. Our current PRO is only a year in the role and has done very well although I understand that she's not seeking re-election. It will be a difficult position to fill at Convention.

Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 385 - 22/11/2021 15:37:20    2390349

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Replying To Claretandblue:  "Paddy Flanagan's work in this area is an exception, he is recognised as the model in PRO work. However, I think criticism of the match programme is harsh, there were plenty of well written articles, team sheets, facts and figures. What else do people want in a programme? Hugely time consuming job to put together a match programme. The job of county PRO is arguably the most time consuming of any executive role within the GAA, the job is evolving yearly, social media content is a massive aspect and there are many other parts too. Our current PRO is only a year in the role and has done very well although I understand that she's not seeking re-election. It will be a difficult position to fill at Convention."
There was very little new in yesterday's programme that wasn't in last week's. Obviously the lineouts were the same, as well as the penpictures and club histories. Most people would already have read the reports on the drawn game, so the only thing new was the reproduction of the 1996 programme, which was a nice idea but hardly worth three euros if you already had the programme from the drawn game. Unfortunately, the quality of our county final programmes has been diminishing for some years now and my comments weren't intended as a criticism of the current PRO.

midlands (Westmeath) - Posts: 324 - 22/11/2021 19:33:57    2390380

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Even more difficult job to produce a new match programme for a replay just seven days later. The fact that a decent effort was made should be acknowledged. The people involved are volunteers with jobs elsewhere. What new articles could be produced within 2-3 days considering printers would need draft by Thursday at latest? Who would write the articles? Three Euro hardly steep.

Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 385 - 23/11/2021 17:26:38    2390490

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Replying To Claretandblue:  "Even more difficult job to produce a new match programme for a replay just seven days later. The fact that a decent effort was made should be acknowledged. The people involved are volunteers with jobs elsewhere. What new articles could be produced within 2-3 days considering printers would need draft by Thursday at latest? Who would write the articles? Three Euro hardly steep."
The quality of our county final programmes has been slipping for several years and maybe it's something I should have raised before now. As I said, my comments weren't directed at the current PRO whom I would have great respect for. Paddy Flanagan's programmes were always treasured, full of interesting facts and figures. As well as all details of matches played during that year's competition, he had interesting material such as "Finals by Ten", where he would give a brief account of old finals. He also managed to come up with some great old photographs. His programmes were always a great reference point, where arguments could be settled and facts checked out. I accept that Paddy was one in a million, and I take your point about volunteerism, but I think the huge advances in technology over the past number of years should help us do much better.

midlands (Westmeath) - Posts: 324 - 24/11/2021 10:50:06    2390552

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As a neutral on Sunday I really enjoyed the game and both sides certainly gave the supporters value for money! Well done to Garycastle for a titanic effort but the class of Lomans shone through in the end. Jason Daly and Paddy Dowdal were superb while TJ Cox, Ronan O'Toole worked tirelessly. Shane Dempsey and John Heslin were ultimately the difference when it counted with Dempsey reminding everyone in Westmeath why he would walk back in to Jack Cooney's squad and probably the team. He has been away for a few years but Sunday he looked back to his best. Hopefully they can do Westmeath proud in Leinster!

NeilH (Westmeath) - Posts: 1 - 25/11/2021 07:05:21    2390706

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