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Replying To LarryOBrother:  "No need for change in any of the championships. Our hurling championship is probably the most competitive hurling championship in the country these days.
Football was the most competitive championship in the country as well however I fear the Shels might be about to go on a run. But realisitically all of the other 11 teams would fancy their chances against each other on a given day.
No point in having Senior teams for the sake of it just to make up the numbers.
I think you rightly have to earn and maintain your senior status."
thank god , someone has a bit of common sense, its always the way in wexford within weeks of the c ship being changed everytime in wexford , lads start talking about changing it again, its as if its the way things are run is WHY my club is not winning it

Stmunnsriver (Wexford) - Posts: 2499 - 12/10/2022 10:23:08    2443684

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Replying To beano:  "I must say, after prior criticism (due to misinformation), that the coverage by Wexford TV of the football championships has been excellent. The previews are probably better than the hurling ones too, as by having current players who have first-hand experience of the competing teams, you get a better insight than the occasional 'they are a traditional team'. Fair play- I may pop into Sharkeys soon, that subliminal advertising is working."
Has to be said they do very good fish and chips Beano! Kids like their Taco too.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 6607 - 12/10/2022 10:41:40    2443690

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Replying To LarryOBrother:  "No need for change in any of the championships. Our hurling championship is probably the most competitive hurling championship in the country these days.
Football was the most competitive championship in the country as well however I fear the Shels might be about to go on a run. But realisitically all of the other 11 teams would fancy their chances against each other on a given day.
No point in having Senior teams for the sake of it just to make up the numbers.
I think you rightly have to earn and maintain your senior status."
The only argument I have for increasing the size of both senior championships is to raise the standard of the players playing for the 4 additional clubs as they would be playing championship hurling and football against better opponents. This would mean our intercounty teams would have a better quality pool of players to pick from.
The way the current selection system is you nearly have to be on all the development panels coming up to even be considered, or an absolutely amazing player at Intermediate or Junior. And these lads often turn out to be smaller players whose hand eye coordination is obviously going to be that bit better at ages 11-16 than lads who are growing fast at that age. Lads whose hurling or football improves alot in their late teens or early 20s but play for non senior clubs are probably never noticed the way similar lads who play for senior teams are.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 6607 - 12/10/2022 10:49:57    2443693

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Replying To TerribleFootwork:  "12 teams in Senior is fine, how Oulart railroaded in intermediate hurling shows the gap there while the 12 team grades creates stronger competitions the whole way down, I'm really looking forward to the 3rd tier/ Intermediate A final on Saturday between Adamstown and Cloughbawn, if Senior and Intermediate were 16 team grades i doubt I'd be looking forward to that equivalent final as much, the 2 games in the park on Saturday look like the games of the weekend on paper."
Think the Oulart example is a bit disingenuous. The team that beat them in last years relegation final only lost this year's senior final by a point and could very easily have won it. I think that Oulart the way they approached this season could very well have won senior had they been in it, never mind Intermediate.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 6607 - 12/10/2022 10:53:12    2443695

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Don't get me wrong, folks - I like the 12-team and two groups of six championships myself, as most others do. The problem is fitting it into the calendar.

If Wexford hurlers had reached an All-Ireland semi-final this year or the footballers had reached the Tailteann Cup Final, club championships wouldn't have started until the weekend of 14/15/16 July. That would have meant 16 rounds of matches to be played in 14 weeks if we still wanted to be finishing this weekend in order to allow our football champions play in Leinster.

If Wexford had reached the All-Ireland hurling final, club championships wouldn't have started until weekend of July 29/30/31. Would have meant 16 rounds in 12 weeks.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 1277 - 12/10/2022 11:02:25    2443698

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Replying To Stmunnsriver:  "thank god , someone has a bit of common sense, its always the way in wexford within weeks of the c ship being changed everytime in wexford , lads start talking about changing it again, its as if its the way things are run is WHY my club is not winning it"
My proposing changing the grades to 16 clubs is nothing whatsoever to do with the club championships as such or who is Senior or not.
It's about improving our intercounty teams. Apart from a great group of lads between 1910 and 1918 in football and a great group, or 2 great groups, of hurlers in the 50s and 60s, we haven't had a great deal of all Ireland success at Senior intercounty.
I started taking a really keen interest in Wexford hurling in the early to mid 90s. It struck me before 96, probably around 93, that we were only a couple of good players short of a team to win multiple all Irelands. Were those players there possibly but never got noticed, or never had the chance to develop, because they didn't play for a Senior club? Likewise in the early mid noughties. We won 2 Leinster u21s and nearly an u21 all Ireland, we were possibly only short a couple of extra good players to really put it up to Kilkenny at Senior intercounty, great team though they were.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 6607 - 12/10/2022 11:03:21    2443700

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any new on Brosnan,
is he appealing his suspension?

lefty (Wexford) - Posts: 143 - 12/10/2022 11:13:17    2443706

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Replying To Viking66:  "Think the Oulart example is a bit disingenuous. The team that beat them in last years relegation final only lost this year's senior final by a point and could very easily have won it. I think that Oulart the way they approached this season could very well have won senior had they been in it, never mind Intermediate."
That's a fair point on the 1st part of your comment, I wouldn't agree that they could have won senior this year, in their 4 most recent senior campaigns 2018-21 they failed to make the QF in 3 of those and when they did make the semi final it was in the unusual circumstances of the 2020 championship, I would have had them on a similar level to the likes of their neighbours Oylgate and Crossabeg.

TerribleFootwork (Wexford) - Posts: 416 - 12/10/2022 11:17:58    2443709

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Replying To Viking66:  "My proposing changing the grades to 16 clubs is nothing whatsoever to do with the club championships as such or who is Senior or not.
It's about improving our intercounty teams. Apart from a great group of lads between 1910 and 1918 in football and a great group, or 2 great groups, of hurlers in the 50s and 60s, we haven't had a great deal of all Ireland success at Senior intercounty.
I started taking a really keen interest in Wexford hurling in the early to mid 90s. It struck me before 96, probably around 93, that we were only a couple of good players short of a team to win multiple all Irelands. Were those players there possibly but never got noticed, or never had the chance to develop, because they didn't play for a Senior club? Likewise in the early mid noughties. We won 2 Leinster u21s and nearly an u21 all Ireland, we were possibly only short a couple of extra good players to really put it up to Kilkenny at Senior intercounty, great team though they were."
you are arguing against your own proposal so. Those teams were playing at a time when there was 16 senior teams.

And from a logical point of view, a player on the bottom 4 teams in senior, would he stand out more when getting hammered in senior or when he is competing at the top end in Intermediate?

I also think we should be aiming to make championships as competitive as possible. If the knock on effect is improving the county team as a result, then great, but championships should be set up to have the best club competition, not to find the best players to play county.

james2011 (Wexford) - Posts: 581 - 12/10/2022 11:26:26    2443712

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Replying To countyman2022:  "Couldn't happen a nicer bunch."
Getting a cheap shot at the Vols, you must be jealous of them as they are one of the most successful football teams in Wexford, obviously your from the town

Lockerroomboy (Wexford) - Posts: 323 - 12/10/2022 12:24:32    2443723

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Replying To james2011:  "you are arguing against your own proposal so. Those teams were playing at a time when there was 16 senior teams.

And from a logical point of view, a player on the bottom 4 teams in senior, would he stand out more when getting hammered in senior or when he is competing at the top end in Intermediate?

I also think we should be aiming to make championships as competitive as possible. If the knock on effect is improving the county team as a result, then great, but championships should be set up to have the best club competition, not to find the best players to play county."
If we have better county teams we will have more young lads playing football and hurling in the county rather than drifting off to other sports. And maybe more supporters at club games as well. That would surely make the club championships better?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 6607 - 12/10/2022 13:25:40    2443735

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Replying To TerribleFootwork:  "That's a fair point on the 1st part of your comment, I wouldn't agree that they could have won senior this year, in their 4 most recent senior campaigns 2018-21 they failed to make the QF in 3 of those and when they did make the semi final it was in the unusual circumstances of the 2020 championship, I would have had them on a similar level to the likes of their neighbours Oylgate and Crossabeg."
Think getting relegated gave Oulart a collective boot up the hole. They seemed more at it even during the League campaign. The main problem they will have over the next few years is the big gap in age between their better current players and the new crop of excellent players coming through at underage.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 6607 - 12/10/2022 13:29:16    2443736

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Replying To Lockerroomboy:  "Getting a cheap shot at the Vols, you must be jealous of them as they are one of the most successful football teams in Wexford, obviously your from the town"
One of the most successful? They last won a senior championship in 1956 but if you want to go back 66 years I guess they were successful back then. Cant say much about their current team, they had a good mix of lads from different clubs this year but thats the general norm with Wex town clubs these days. And still couldn't get out of the 3rd tier.

countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 308 - 12/10/2022 14:07:29    2443741

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Replying To countyman2022:  "One of the most successful? They last won a senior championship in 1956 but if you want to go back 66 years I guess they were successful back then. Cant say much about their current team, they had a good mix of lads from different clubs this year but thats the general norm with Wex town clubs these days. And still couldn't get out of the 3rd tier."
Has to be said they are a good bit worse than Sars and Mary's so it's a bit of a stretch to say they are one of the better town teams.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 6607 - 12/10/2022 14:22:38    2443748

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Replying To countyman2022:  "One of the most successful? They last won a senior championship in 1956 but if you want to go back 66 years I guess they were successful back then. Cant say much about their current team, they had a good mix of lads from different clubs this year but thats the general norm with Wex town clubs these days. And still couldn't get out of the 3rd tier."
my friends [ all ireland medal holder] son playes under age with them and he said they are one of the best organised clubs with very good men at the helm he has seen, while he says they are coming from a low base she says the future is bright for them

Stmunnsriver (Wexford) - Posts: 2499 - 12/10/2022 14:32:43    2443751

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Replying To Viking66:  "The only argument I have for increasing the size of both senior championships is to raise the standard of the players playing for the 4 additional clubs as they would be playing championship hurling and football against better opponents. This would mean our intercounty teams would have a better quality pool of players to pick from.
The way the current selection system is you nearly have to be on all the development panels coming up to even be considered, or an absolutely amazing player at Intermediate or Junior. And these lads often turn out to be smaller players whose hand eye coordination is obviously going to be that bit better at ages 11-16 than lads who are growing fast at that age. Lads whose hurling or football improves alot in their late teens or early 20s but play for non senior clubs are probably never noticed the way similar lads who play for senior teams are."
Moving 4 teams up a grade will not improve their standard at all.
Take the SFC this year. You had a group of 9 teams that were competitive and 3 teams that didnt win a game between them (Except for Bunclody in the relegation final) Adding 4 teams to the mix would possibly have basically made it two groups of 7 and 9 in terms of standard. But that doesnt raise the standard of players as one week you might be competitive and the next week you will be getting hammered. if anything reducing the numbers to 8 would have more likelihood of having more meaningful games for all and raising the standards because it is only when you are in a close game that the true competition comes out.

indaknownow (Offaly) - Posts: 105 - 12/10/2022 15:42:33    2443761

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Replying To indaknownow:  "Moving 4 teams up a grade will not improve their standard at all.
Take the SFC this year. You had a group of 9 teams that were competitive and 3 teams that didnt win a game between them (Except for Bunclody in the relegation final) Adding 4 teams to the mix would possibly have basically made it two groups of 7 and 9 in terms of standard. But that doesnt raise the standard of players as one week you might be competitive and the next week you will be getting hammered. if anything reducing the numbers to 8 would have more likelihood of having more meaningful games for all and raising the standards because it is only when you are in a close game that the true competition comes out."
I'm not talking about teams improving. There are a number of other factors which determine how well a team does apart from how good the individual players are. Management, tactics, group fitness, group mentality etc etc.
I'm putting it out there that there are players who will improve by playing directly against a better opposing player.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 6607 - 12/10/2022 16:22:52    2443767

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Replying To countyman2022:  "One of the most successful? They last won a senior championship in 1956 but if you want to go back 66 years I guess they were successful back then. Cant say much about their current team, they had a good mix of lads from different clubs this year but thats the general norm with Wex town clubs these days. And still couldn't get out of the 3rd tier."
Ya check the roll of honour of football championship and get back to me?,all them lads who played against adamstown played underage with the Vols, so please get ur facts right,,we are one of the most successful football teams in Wexford,

Lockerroomboy (Wexford) - Posts: 323 - 12/10/2022 16:55:03    2443771

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Replying To Lockerroomboy:  "Ya check the roll of honour of football championship and get back to me?,all them lads who played against adamstown played underage with the Vols, so please get ur facts right,,we are one of the most successful football teams in Wexford,"
Is it a problem keeping some of the lads at Vols when they become adults? Or do some leave the GAA altogether? You have had some good underage teams over the years why hasn't that led to more adult success?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 6607 - 12/10/2022 18:04:44    2443780

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Replying To Lockerroomboy:  "Ya check the roll of honour of football championship and get back to me?,all them lads who played against adamstown played underage with the Vols, so please get ur facts right,,we are one of the most successful football teams in Wexford,"
What have they won in the last 66 years? Bar a 4th tier title in 2015? Wasnt aware Kyle Dempsey played underage with ye, must have been invisible back then or under a different name. If you want to call yoursleves one of the most successful teams id imagine we're gone past 66 years ago at this stage.

countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 308 - 13/10/2022 09:05:01    2443795

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