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Just reading in the indo, there was a 6 month suspension for a social media outburst directed at a referee. I hadnt heard about this but i presume it was to do with the person mentioned here before after the senior semi finals. Good to see Wexford GAA taking the lead to clamp down on this sort of thing, abuse is abuse no matter what form it comes in.

alwaysasub (Wexford) - Posts: 300 - 27/09/2022 09:29:38    2441984

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Replying To zinny:  "
Replying To ExiledInWex:  "Not a good report from this match.
Players hitting one another = part of the game.
Subs/mentors/supporters hitting players = not part of the game (see way too many such incidents).
Anybody hitting the referee should = team being thrown out.

The GAA have always been weak on discipline. At every level. At inter county, teams and managers will try every trick in the book to get players off on technicalities.

People often say "oh 1 individual doesn't define a club, and punishing the club is not right". Well, what should happen?

The incident in Roscommon just shows how poor the Gardai and GAA are at enforcing discipline for even the most egregious incident. A month or two later, radio silence.

There is still a sly, underhand amateur attitude to discipline throughout the GAA and the Gardai don't seem to act accordingly. "Get our player off", "look the other way" is all that seems to concern managers/officials/county boards.

It was ever thus."
In a lot of clubs they feel they cannot afford to act against certain people because of family involvement in teams or the rest of the club. If the lub faces getting banned then that changes big time, clubs have to remove these people from the game first but Nedd the backup of the GAA to do it."
Agree about the families point most clubs have a certain few families do more work and put more in than most families in the parish. But if I had a brother, or even a friend, that was going to go over to assault the ref, I'd stop him. Simple as.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 6074 - 27/09/2022 09:31:44    2441987

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Replying To alwaysasub:  "Just reading in the indo, there was a 6 month suspension for a social media outburst directed at a referee. I hadnt heard about this but i presume it was to do with the person mentioned here before after the senior semi finals. Good to see Wexford GAA taking the lead to clamp down on this sort of thing, abuse is abuse no matter what form it comes in."
6 months in September is no punishment.

StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1625 - 27/09/2022 09:33:02    2441989

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Anyone at any of the games LOL.

I was at the double header in Bellfield.

The Intermediate game was a cracker between Gorey and Ballyhogue. Ballyhogue had a nightmare start and also missing Shane Doyle on the day it looked like it could be a long day for them once again playing Gorey but came back in to the game strongly with some strong running from deep resulting in some good score taking. Meanwhile Gorey were keeping the scoreboard ticking over with some fantastic points from long range shooting aided by a bit of a breeze in the first half.

Unfortunately the breeze died down a bit in the 2nd half for Ballyhogue and the game was nip and tuck right up until the end, with 10 minutes left Gorey got a goal on the break which gave them a 5 point cushion but Ballyhogue again came back to level the game coming up to 70 minutes. It was a frantic end when Ballyhogue had a scoreable free to level the game but there was frantic checking of scores in the Ferns/Clongeen game to see if that was enough and decided to try and work a goal upon hearing Clongeen were winning.

The senior game was a massive let down. Both teams made plenty of changes but even with the changes Shelmailers were still rigidly playing to their game plan and executing it very well even with the changes. Their inter play was excellent with the ball worked from the back as sharp as ever and then the alternative of either runners off the shoulder or long ball in to Brian Malone at full forward causing havoc.

On the flip side Glynn looked devoid of ideas going forward, no definitive plan that you could pick out. It was almost like they got to half way and didnt know what to do with the ball after that. Shels on the other hand even with changes were sharp and in reality its hard to see any team coming close to them. Glynn on the other hand seem to be really struggling for forwards.

Its funny seeing both games you see the pros and cons of the system in terms of games that potentially mean something and another which was a dead rubber, indeed across the grades there seems to be a lot of games falling in to the dead rubber category on the last weekend.

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1044 - 27/09/2022 09:52:27    2441995

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Replying To StoreysTash:  "6 months in September is no punishment."
That is true.

alwaysasub (Wexford) - Posts: 300 - 27/09/2022 10:08:34    2441997

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Replying To tearintom:  "Anyone at any of the games LOL.

I was at the double header in Bellfield.

The Intermediate game was a cracker between Gorey and Ballyhogue. Ballyhogue had a nightmare start and also missing Shane Doyle on the day it looked like it could be a long day for them once again playing Gorey but came back in to the game strongly with some strong running from deep resulting in some good score taking. Meanwhile Gorey were keeping the scoreboard ticking over with some fantastic points from long range shooting aided by a bit of a breeze in the first half.

Unfortunately the breeze died down a bit in the 2nd half for Ballyhogue and the game was nip and tuck right up until the end, with 10 minutes left Gorey got a goal on the break which gave them a 5 point cushion but Ballyhogue again came back to level the game coming up to 70 minutes. It was a frantic end when Ballyhogue had a scoreable free to level the game but there was frantic checking of scores in the Ferns/Clongeen game to see if that was enough and decided to try and work a goal upon hearing Clongeen were winning.

The senior game was a massive let down. Both teams made plenty of changes but even with the changes Shelmailers were still rigidly playing to their game plan and executing it very well even with the changes. Their inter play was excellent with the ball worked from the back as sharp as ever and then the alternative of either runners off the shoulder or long ball in to Brian Malone at full forward causing havoc.

On the flip side Glynn looked devoid of ideas going forward, no definitive plan that you could pick out. It was almost like they got to half way and didnt know what to do with the ball after that. Shels on the other hand even with changes were sharp and in reality its hard to see any team coming close to them. Glynn on the other hand seem to be really struggling for forwards.

Its funny seeing both games you see the pros and cons of the system in terms of games that potentially mean something and another which was a dead rubber, indeed across the grades there seems to be a lot of games falling in to the dead rubber category on the last weekend."
That will always be the downside of a group stage in any sport. And the larger the groups the worse it can get.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 6074 - 27/09/2022 10:40:26    2442003

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Replying To StoreysTash:  "6 months in September is no punishment."
None whatsoever

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 6074 - 27/09/2022 10:40:52    2442004

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Yeah I was at the double-header in Oylegate.

Ferns looked like a team capable of beating anyone in the first half. Well disciplined, transitioning from defence to attack and picking off good scores from play. Looked in command.

But they lurched to the other end of the spectrum after the break, seemingly obsessed with how the Gorey game was going and easing off the throttle entirely. Only scored once more as Clongeen gradually edged in front, although to be fair to the Geeners, they did dominate the second half more or less. I'd say there was a mixture of relief and soul-searching at the end when Ferns just about snuck through. If they play like they did in the first half, extend it across the hour and catch Horeswood on an off-day, they could cause a shock, but they are too inconsistent to know what to expect from them.

First half of the senior game was turgid enough but opened up into a more enjoyable game in the second half. From what I saw, neither team treated it as a dead-rubber, Castletown rested one regular carrying a niggle, I think Jimmies were full-strength.

Castletown remained hard to break down, but were a lot more fluid up front, actually kicking a big enough winning margin in the end to finish in second place.

Poster earlier said that Glynn have a system but don't have the forwards. Well Castletown arguably have as good a collection of individual forwards as anyone else, and limited Shels to their lowest tally of the five group games. I can see them smothering a still inexperienced Kilanerin team (down two county lads) this weekend, and after that who knows?

beano (Wexford) - Posts: 1261 - 27/09/2022 10:45:49    2442005

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Replying To Viking66:  "
Replying To zinny:  "[quote=ExiledInWex:  "Not a good report from this match.
Players hitting one another = part of the game.
Subs/mentors/supporters hitting players = not part of the game (see way too many such incidents).
Anybody hitting the referee should = team being thrown out.

The GAA have always been weak on discipline. At every level. At inter county, teams and managers will try every trick in the book to get players off on technicalities.

People often say "oh 1 individual doesn't define a club, and punishing the club is not right". Well, what should happen?

The incident in Roscommon just shows how poor the Gardai and GAA are at enforcing discipline for even the most egregious incident. A month or two later, radio silence.

There is still a sly, underhand amateur attitude to discipline throughout the GAA and the Gardai don't seem to act accordingly. "Get our player off", "look the other way" is all that seems to concern managers/officials/county boards.

It was ever thus."
In a lot of clubs they feel they cannot afford to act against certain people because of family involvement in teams or the rest of the club. If the lub faces getting banned then that changes big time, clubs have to remove these people from the game first but Nedd the backup of the GAA to do it."
Agree about the families point most clubs have a certain few families do more work and put more in than most families in the parish. But if I had a brother, or even a friend, that was going to go over to assault the ref, I'd stop him. Simple as."]These thigs don't happen out of the blue and there is most likely a history of verbal assault on referees from the sideline. How many clubs would do the right thing to stop verbal assaults on the referees? And we ware not talking about lads that go a for f**** sake what was that for. Every club knows that they have people who go over the top - what do they do about it?

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1502 - 27/09/2022 11:52:39    2442011

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Replying To StoreysTash:  "6 months in September is no punishment."
Agreed, but under the Rule Book, these sort of time-based suspensions have to run from the date of the offence. They're not like match-based suspensions for a player, which can be carried over from one year to the next.

But what the suspension does achieve is send a warning about how that sort of stuff on social media won't be tolerated, and anybody who does it next year can probably expect the same. At least that's something.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 1200 - 27/09/2022 11:56:44    2442012

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From what I am hearing there may be no games this weekend as the referees call a strike. From what I hear its not just what happened at the weekend but the fact the same individual has been reported for abuse of referees in the past but nothing was done about it.
Despite the initial media reports the ref did go to A&E, just not by ambulance spent most on the rest of the day and night in it.
The lad ran from behind and hit the ref in the back of the head with his elbow, One of his umpires was beside him and stood over him to protect him as he was coming back for more, he then hit the umpire and it was only his own club lads that then stopped him from inflicting more damage. The initial media reports I think downplayed it somewhat but this was a very serious assault.

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1502 - 27/09/2022 12:06:47    2442017

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Replying To zinny:  "From what I am hearing there may be no games this weekend as the referees call a strike. From what I hear its not just what happened at the weekend but the fact the same individual has been reported for abuse of referees in the past but nothing was done about it.
Despite the initial media reports the ref did go to A&E, just not by ambulance spent most on the rest of the day and night in it.
The lad ran from behind and hit the ref in the back of the head with his elbow, One of his umpires was beside him and stood over him to protect him as he was coming back for more, he then hit the umpire and it was only his own club lads that then stopped him from inflicting more damage. The initial media reports I think downplayed it somewhat but this was a very serious assault."
That is common assault, simple as. If it happened outside a pub at 2 A.M it'd be classed as such and a criminal conviction would be handed down (jail-time is a different matter given our lenient justice system). Horrific.

beano (Wexford) - Posts: 1261 - 27/09/2022 13:03:32    2442028

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I think its now at the stage where the clubs in these situations have to suffer.

Very simply the team should be thrown out of the championship, relegated on the spot. A 96 week suspension is going to achieve what exactly?

Yes it does sound like harsh punishment but i guarantee ye all of a sudden you would find Clubs ridding their own clubs of these types of people, how could ye conceivably have a loose cannon on the sideline thats going to relegate ye in an instant.

The only way this can be properly eradicated is by each club taking responsibility themselves to rid the club of these individuals and the only way that will happen is by having the punishment severe enough that clubs simply have to.

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1044 - 27/09/2022 13:11:18    2442030

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Replying To zinny:  "From what I am hearing there may be no games this weekend as the referees call a strike. From what I hear its not just what happened at the weekend but the fact the same individual has been reported for abuse of referees in the past but nothing was done about it.
Despite the initial media reports the ref did go to A&E, just not by ambulance spent most on the rest of the day and night in it.
The lad ran from behind and hit the ref in the back of the head with his elbow, One of his umpires was beside him and stood over him to protect him as he was coming back for more, he then hit the umpire and it was only his own club lads that then stopped him from inflicting more damage. The initial media reports I think downplayed it somewhat but this was a very serious assault."
That is textbook GAA style though, play it down nothing to see. Nobody saw anything, omertha.
Re Declan Ruth he might have ruled himself out of the running for a future Wexford manager by that tweet?
Agree with all above 6 months is no punishment. If they making an example, give him a year?

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 440 - 27/09/2022 13:14:01    2442031

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "That is textbook GAA style though, play it down nothing to see. Nobody saw anything, omertha.
Re Declan Ruth he might have ruled himself out of the running for a future Wexford manager by that tweet?
Agree with all above 6 months is no punishment. If they making an example, give him a year?"
Big difference between social media and actual assault. 6 months ban would be plenty for an ill advised post or tweet only for the time of year it is. 96 months for assault ending with a visit to hospital for the referee victim isn't enough. Maybe grand as a maximum ban for 2 players fighting or a melee.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 6074 - 27/09/2022 15:07:10    2442049

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A personal gripe of mine is when people who aren't playing get involved with players as well.
I was tripped once this year by an opposition manager/selector as I chased a ball over the line. Almost collided with a concrete stake. The manager smirking as I got back to my feet. If I hit him, I would have got sent off.
Another match, there was a bit of a pushing match in a match beside the side line. The opposition manager, selector and water carrier were the main aggressors long after players had calmed down.
Our year will in all likelihood come to an end this weekend and I am off for a year or two after it. I have had enough of GAA and can't wait to get away from it to be frank.

StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1625 - 27/09/2022 16:02:19    2442060

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Replying To zinny:  "From what I am hearing there may be no games this weekend as the referees call a strike. From what I hear its not just what happened at the weekend but the fact the same individual has been reported for abuse of referees in the past but nothing was done about it.
Despite the initial media reports the ref did go to A&E, just not by ambulance spent most on the rest of the day and night in it.
The lad ran from behind and hit the ref in the back of the head with his elbow, One of his umpires was beside him and stood over him to protect him as he was coming back for more, he then hit the umpire and it was only his own club lads that then stopped him from inflicting more damage. The initial media reports I think downplayed it somewhat but this was a very serious assault."
Where you hearing this Zinny? See reports on twitter from different local journalists they arent striking.

alwaysasub (Wexford) - Posts: 300 - 27/09/2022 16:31:45    2442064

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Predictions after group stages

Senior: Shels but will get a much sterner test of Glynn Barntown in the knockout stages.

Intermediate: Fethard although Horeswood a close second.

Intermediate A: Rosslare to win it but Cloughbawn are going well this year and could also make the breakthrough this year.

Junior: Sarsfields seem to be going well and have a good few senior hurlers playing for the second team.

WexMurph (Wexford) - Posts: 6 - 27/09/2022 19:03:10    2442075

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Replying To alwaysasub:  "Where you hearing this Zinny? See reports on twitter from different local journalists they arent striking."
they are not i hear to

Stmunnsriver (Wexford) - Posts: 2464 - 27/09/2022 19:08:51    2442076

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Replying To WexMurph:  "Predictions after group stages

Senior: Shels but will get a much sterner test of Glynn Barntown in the knockout stages.

Intermediate: Fethard although Horeswood a close second.

Intermediate A: Rosslare to win it but Cloughbawn are going well this year and could also make the breakthrough this year.

Junior: Sarsfields seem to be going well and have a good few senior hurlers playing for the second team."
Senior- Shels all year not changing now
Intermediate- Taghmon if they beat Gorey Horeswood if not.
Inter A- Cloughbawn all year not changing now
Junior-Id like to see a 1st team win but hard to see past Sars or Castletown.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 6074 - 28/09/2022 07:27:46    2442095

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