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Peters and GCC combined? Please tell me your joking. Seen it all here now."]You will see worse come January lad!
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11843 - 11/12/2021 20:39:13 2392478 Link 0 |
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Gorey CS massively underachieving. Should be well capable of being a Colleges A team rather than having to contribute to the combined team. icehonesty (Wexford) - Posts: 2550 - 11/12/2021 21:47:01 2392493 Link 0 |
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who said anything about council /peters compining , we have a compined colleges team doing well at the moment to
Stmunnsriver (Wexford) - Posts: 2842 - 12/12/2021 08:56:48 2392499 Link 0 |
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I think it was meant as all four at that level. It will be hard for the combined to survive as the individual schools will always want their own team. However having four strong schools teams is far more important than any county development squads. zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1804 - 12/12/2021 10:35:09 2392512 Link 0 |
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correct
Stmunnsriver (Wexford) - Posts: 2842 - 12/12/2021 16:23:12 2392561 Link 0 |
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Anyone at the kilnaerin st martins game, ?tough conditions for players especially forwards ,martins win after extra time, will be a good final a hesitant vote for Gorey Lockerroomboy (Wexford) - Posts: 437 - 12/12/2021 16:25:59 2392562 Link 0 |
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4 colleges A teams would be a great way for more of our players to develop playing against top colleges from all over. Has to be a good thing.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11843 - 12/12/2021 21:57:47 2392626 Link 0 |
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its only a matter of time till gorey get their act together and when they do they will be a force, mighty school surrounded by strong football clubs they are a sleeping giant, so ull have council, peters, gorey and the combined schools, future looks bright, there is mighty work going on under the radar by anthony masteson, it seems he has put a very good coaching crew in at the under age levels Stmunnsriver (Wexford) - Posts: 2842 - 13/12/2021 08:46:05 2392630 Link 0 |
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u20 final between Gorey and Martins looks like a hard game to call, for all the complaints here about walkovers and one sided games looks like the top grade was very competitive from QF onwards, every game bar 1 was decided by 6 points or less. bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 13/12/2021 16:08:39 2392709 Link 1 |
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Thankfully is right, Peters have and always be a different breed.
countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 642 - 13/12/2021 16:51:35 2392722 Link 0 |
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Yeah that's true, but it only underlines how utterly wrong they got the grading system to begin with.
beano (Wexford) - Posts: 1417 - 13/12/2021 18:17:58 2392730 Link 0 |
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Problem with all the juvenile grades is that competition formats have to be based on the previous years results. But as everyone on this forum knows a club could have an excellent hurling or football team at u20 one year then all the best players arent eligible or drop out the following year. And vice versa. Only way of perhaps getting around this would be to run off some sort of league first and then decide which teams play in which championship grades based on this. But there is barely enough time in the calendar year to run off all the fixtures we already have.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11843 - 13/12/2021 21:51:17 2392756 Link 0 |
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The actual Coiste na nÓg competitions (i.e. up to U17) are actually graded based on the results of two years previously - so for example, U17 grading for 2022 will be based on U15 results for 2020, since it will involve the same groups of players in each club. I presume (but don't know for sure) that this year's U20 grading was therefore at least partly based on U17 results from three years ago. But clubs who did relatively well at U17 three years ago may have lost some of those players since then anyway, even before the added difficulty of expecting lads to tog off at this time of year, and that might part explain some of the hammerings and walkovers that happened. Two teams who were closely matched three years ago could have a very different result now, if one of them still has most or all of their first pick from back then, and the other is struggling to field 15 at all. Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2245 - 14/12/2021 10:17:37 2392781 Link 0 |
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Ah right didnt know that Pikeman makes alot more sense. Players also develop physically at different rates. I remember at school there were lads who were giants at 13 but by 17 everyone else had caught up with them or vice versa. And as you say dropouts from good u15 or u17 teams definitely make a difference. And at u20 you have travelling and college affecting teams also. I still think squeezing the u20 club championships in after the end of the colleges competitions and before the intercounty championship makes most sense. Shouldnt get in the way of exams. Leaves summer largely free for lads to go travelling or whatever if they arent playing senior intercounty and they can be back for the adult club championships if needs be.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11843 - 14/12/2021 12:22:41 2392801 Link 0 |
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Don't want it to look like I'm nit-picking with all you say, and sorry if it does look that way, but lads won't actually be free to go travel for the summer and be back for adult club championships. Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2245 - 15/12/2021 12:11:41 2392898 Link 0 |
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They wont be able to go travel for the whole summer but if they wanted to take off for a month or 2 theyd be able to do that. If not in March/April when do you want the u20 championship played?
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11843 - 15/12/2021 13:12:51 2392914 Link 0 |
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I was just pointing out they wouldn't be able to go travelling for the summer and still be back for the adult club championships, as you'd said. If they don't mind missing the opening rounds of the championships and just being back for the latter stages, then of course they could go travelling all right. As regards when I want it played? - am already on record myself in either this thread or another as saying there are problems no matter what time of year you schedule it for. Personally, I think a period around April/May would probably best suit most club players. But have to be conscious of the inter-county U20 scene, and also looming third level exams. But at least anybody at U20 is unlikely to be doing finals or trying to complete a thesis yet. Failing that, midweek during the summer (late June/July/August). But would have to be conscious then of fixtures pile-up on the lads playing at adult level as well. And I suppose would also have to be conscious of the fact that they couldn't then go travelling for the summer if they wanted to play U20 as well. :) Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2245 - 15/12/2021 18:42:01 2392963 Link 0 |
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It's a complete minefield thats for sure Pikeman. But at the same time for the good of the intercounty u20 and senior team down the line, as well as club adult teams, it is a very important Grade. It seems to be more of an afterthought when it comes to its fixtures unfortunately.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11843 - 16/12/2021 10:08:01 2392985 Link 0 |
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I think Gorey will win it, Brian cushe and Fitzpatrick stand out performers, st martins will lose their crown on Saturday Lockerroomboy (Wexford) - Posts: 437 - 16/12/2021 11:32:30 2392996 Link 0 |
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Probably fair to call U20 an afterthought all right, insofar as adult competitions get priority as regards scheduling, and then it's a case of "where can we fit the U20 around it?" Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2245 - 16/12/2021 14:57:58 2393022 Link 0 |