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Why Mayo Cant Win An All-Ireland

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Replying To Viking66:  "Didnt find that at all. Thought their Football coverage was better than RTEs tbh like many other posters from counties all over the 26 counties from Kerry to Dublin to Donegal!"
Yeah now I reflect on it listening to northern analysts like Declan Bogue, Enda McGinley it was all very balanced.
In what way was it better, and instead of trotting out the usual clichés about rtés "lazy analysis, blandness" bla bla bla give me an example of their superior coverage.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1942 - 19/09/2021 12:03:48    2381587

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Replying To Viking66:  "Didnt find that at all. Thought their Football coverage was better than RTEs tbh like many other posters from counties all over the 26 counties from Kerry to Dublin to Donegal!"
Has a non ulster pundit ever been asked to contribute to the BBCs GAA coverage?

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1942 - 19/09/2021 12:09:32    2381589

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Replying To Galway9801:  "Yeah now I reflect on it listening to northern analysts like Declan Bogue, Enda McGinley it was all very balanced.
In what way was it better, and instead of trotting out the usual clichés about rtés "lazy analysis, blandness" bla bla bla give me an example of their superior coverage."
I thought the camerawork was better. The commentators were definitely better! I dont mind rtes analysts or presenters tbh. Even Pat Spillane!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15530 - 19/09/2021 13:51:31    2381600

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Replying To Viking66:  "I thought the camerawork was better. The commentators were definitely better! I dont mind rtes analysts or presenters tbh. Even Pat Spillane!"
We were discussing bias. Tirchonaill accused the rté of favouring Mayo (Sean Cavanagh was a pundit), and I responded by saying that Ulster pundits were favouring Tyrone, and that the BBC hasn't (as far as I know) even allowed a Southern pundit onto their programme yet.
You retort by talking about camerawork?

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1942 - 19/09/2021 14:19:51    2381606

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "I find it hard to read from where the new post starts here with all the quoting, and speaking of quoting has anyone seen African Gail since the All Ireland? suppose he/she/it is busy posting under all their other aliases,
It was busy telling us how Ulster teams would win nothing outside of Ulster, gone very quite now I see.
Just watching the match again here on a wet evening one week later, the anti Ulster/Tyrone bias in the RTE commentary is shocking though not surprising, Ger Canning nearly broke down in tears when Mayo miss the penalty, that was a square ball anyway and there was also a push on the back of the Tyrone man, was a free out for that too.
You want to know why Mayo haven't got over the line in recent times? watch the first 30 secs of the second half."
RTEs coverage of the Ulster championship has become much more respectful since Joanne began presenting. She does not tolerate panelist's being personal and offensive to amateur players. For the previous 15 yrs the panel seemed to be in competition for the funniest put down of Ulster teams e.g. "DL are the Taliban of football", "as ugly as CN football" , " Tyr playing puke football" etc .. Always found it ironic then how TSG always used an Ulster preliminary contest to keep the programme meaningful in mid May. It was telling that the only time RTE moved to distance itself from comments made was when one of their own (a professional commentator) was insulted. Always wondered what the brief or agenda was during those years.
You may not agree but I think that aspect of the presentation has improved a lot in the past three years. You have a Tyrone panelist on board now (though I'd prefer Enda McGinley to Sean Cavanagh who can be loud and defensive at times). Tyrone management are back talking to RTE and making a very good positive impression. Another little change I would have made in this age of inclusion and balance is to have someone like Orla Bannon on the side line with Cora. I think Orla is from Tyrone and is very good on Monday radio reviewing the week end sport.

Curlew66 (Roscommon) - Posts: 604 - 19/09/2021 14:57:02    2381613

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Replying To Galway9801:  "We were discussing bias. Tirchonaill accused the rté of favouring Mayo (Sean Cavanagh was a pundit), and I responded by saying that Ulster pundits were favouring Tyrone, and that the BBC hasn't (as far as I know) even allowed a Southern pundit onto their programme yet.
You retort by talking about camerawork?"
It's BBC Northern Ireland so it's only natural they will be biased towards Ulster teams. It's a bit like TG4….they show a lot of Connacht county (and west of Ireland) club games much to the annoyance of the rest of the country but they have every right to target their Irish speaking audience. I've even seen people complain of the commentary being in Irish.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11542 - 19/09/2021 15:50:31    2381629

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Replying To Curlew66:  "RTEs coverage of the Ulster championship has become much more respectful since Joanne began presenting. She does not tolerate panelist's being personal and offensive to amateur players. For the previous 15 yrs the panel seemed to be in competition for the funniest put down of Ulster teams e.g. "DL are the Taliban of football", "as ugly as CN football" , " Tyr playing puke football" etc .. Always found it ironic then how TSG always used an Ulster preliminary contest to keep the programme meaningful in mid May. It was telling that the only time RTE moved to distance itself from comments made was when one of their own (a professional commentator) was insulted. Always wondered what the brief or agenda was during those years.
You may not agree but I think that aspect of the presentation has improved a lot in the past three years. You have a Tyrone panelist on board now (though I'd prefer Enda McGinley to Sean Cavanagh who can be loud and defensive at times). Tyrone management are back talking to RTE and making a very good positive impression. Another little change I would have made in this age of inclusion and balance is to have someone like Orla Bannon on the side line with Cora. I think Orla is from Tyrone and is very good on Monday radio reviewing the week end sport."
Sorry but the RTÉ had Joe Brolly on their show for nigh on 20 years defending Ulster teams from Spillane and O Rourke, and he was well able to throw some pretty nasty digs at the likes of Kerry, Mayo, and Cork in that time too,although I think if you're being honest it's only an issue for you when Ulster teams are being targeted.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1942 - 19/09/2021 16:43:47    2381648

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Replying To yew_tree:  "It's BBC Northern Ireland so it's only natural they will be biased towards Ulster teams. It's a bit like TG4….they show a lot of Connacht county (and west of Ireland) club games much to the annoyance of the rest of the country but they have every right to target their Irish speaking audience. I've even seen people complain of the commentary being in Irish."
Yeah I get that no one is completely consistent but having watched the rté pay Joe brolly money for the last 20 years to defend ulster teams and throw all sorts of verbal muck at counties like kerry Cork and Mayo, its a bit much listening to guys talk of how the rté needs to curb its anti ulster bias.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1942 - 19/09/2021 16:59:53    2381654

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It's southern media in general that have a northern bias. Just reading southern reports from the final and was all about what mayo did wrong andnot giving much credit to tyrone and how well they played.

Smiler21 (Tyrone) - Posts: 46 - 19/09/2021 21:03:18    2381710

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Replying To Galway9801:  "Has a non ulster pundit ever been asked to contribute to the BBCs GAA coverage?"
Bbc only cover a fraction of the games rte does.

Smiler21 (Tyrone) - Posts: 46 - 19/09/2021 21:07:33    2381712

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Replying To Galway9801:  "
Replying To Canuck:  "[quote=Galway9801:  "[quote=supersub15:  "I can read your script and between the lines, so -

Why Mayo Cant Win An All-Ireland ?, is a provocative thread & title, why not ask for example, why can't Kildare, Monaghan, Cavan, Laois, Roscommon, etc, etc, etc, reach an all Ireland final at least once every 10 years let alone win one, or why can't Fermanagh or Wicklow win at least one provincial senior title, just one, or why can't Carlow get out of div.4, why can't Kilkenny field a Senior football team at least for the National football league, why can't Westmeath stake a claim on being the second best team in Leinster and then challenge the best for a Leinster title every year (ish)?

Why is it that div.4 counties and indeed more often than not div.3 counties can say before a ball is kicked that televised games will not be applicable to them,?

Why is it that Mayo have to carry the can for all other counties to learn from. Why is it that Mayo as a county breed lads to become household names for some of us to ridicule and criticize as if they are professional footballers, with no families and are stand alone creatures on mega, mega, salaries.

Why can't Leitrim win a Connaught senior football title every 2nd or 3rd year and then go on and contest an All Ireland Senior Football Title.?

Why not,?
all of this would take some pressure off Mayo.
Why do I even bother with all this ***p.??"
Because every sport on earth has its perpetual also rans, and its basic human nature that if you're not as good as your competitors you won't get the same level of attention from fans or the media, but I doubt there is a team, or individual, anywhere in world sport with a record of getting to so many finals without winning one.
It's be far sillier if people didn't talk about it really."
I honestly don't get it. I can see where it would be referenced that a team lost a significant number of finals but this is more than that. We have everyone and their mother experts at analyzing the reason including suggesting mental weakness. Did the Mayo teams decide we are going to go up there to Croke Park and lose all these finals ? Guess what they were not good enough. If they win the next 6 in a row it will because they are good enough. Then the analysts will be off on another track."]Mayo were good enough to win the'96,'13,'16,'17,' 21 finals and while perhaps not good enough to win them, woefully underperformed in the '97,'04,'06 finals.
I'm not trying to knock them believe it or not, in fact I find some of the mockery and triumphalism from my fellow galway men a tad tragic, shows how crap we are that we need to get our kicks out of mayo losing.
Obviously there's no curse, but Mayo absolutely had the personnel to win several of those finals."]Obviously not good enough if they didn't win any.

Smiler21 (Tyrone) - Posts: 46 - 19/09/2021 21:12:19    2381716

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Replying To timmyhogan:  ".

The better team won on the day but to say that "... Tyrone team who would have beaten any team put in front of them" is as far from the truth as its possible to get. Even with their flat performance that particular Mayo team (who are hardly world beaters) would have beaten them easily IF they had taken the majority of their chances.
If Monaghan (or Mayo or whoever) go into a second half leading by two points and fail to score a point till the hour mark while kicking several bad wides they are USUALLY coming home without the cup & probably on the end of a bad beating.
Tyrone won a handy All Ireland - Mayo left a handier one behind."
Disrespectful comment

Smiler21 (Tyrone) - Posts: 46 - 19/09/2021 21:18:27    2381717

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Replying To Smiler21:  "
Replying To Galway9801:  "[quote=Canuck:  "[quote=Galway9801:  "[quote=supersub15:  "I can read your script and between the lines, so -

Why Mayo Cant Win An All-Ireland ?, is a provocative thread & title, why not ask for example, why can't Kildare, Monaghan, Cavan, Laois, Roscommon, etc, etc, etc, reach an all Ireland final at least once every 10 years let alone win one, or why can't Fermanagh or Wicklow win at least one provincial senior title, just one, or why can't Carlow get out of div.4, why can't Kilkenny field a Senior football team at least for the National football league, why can't Westmeath stake a claim on being the second best team in Leinster and then challenge the best for a Leinster title every year (ish)?

Why is it that div.4 counties and indeed more often than not div.3 counties can say before a ball is kicked that televised games will not be applicable to them,?

Why is it that Mayo have to carry the can for all other counties to learn from. Why is it that Mayo as a county breed lads to become household names for some of us to ridicule and criticize as if they are professional footballers, with no families and are stand alone creatures on mega, mega, salaries.

Why can't Leitrim win a Connaught senior football title every 2nd or 3rd year and then go on and contest an All Ireland Senior Football Title.?

Why not,?
all of this would take some pressure off Mayo.
Why do I even bother with all this ***p.??"
Because every sport on earth has its perpetual also rans, and its basic human nature that if you're not as good as your competitors you won't get the same level of attention from fans or the media, but I doubt there is a team, or individual, anywhere in world sport with a record of getting to so many finals without winning one.
It's be far sillier if people didn't talk about it really."
I honestly don't get it. I can see where it would be referenced that a team lost a significant number of finals but this is more than that. We have everyone and their mother experts at analyzing the reason including suggesting mental weakness. Did the Mayo teams decide we are going to go up there to Croke Park and lose all these finals ? Guess what they were not good enough. If they win the next 6 in a row it will because they are good enough. Then the analysts will be off on another track."]Mayo were good enough to win the'96,'13,'16,'17,' 21 finals and while perhaps not good enough to win them, woefully underperformed in the '97,'04,'06 finals.
I'm not trying to knock them believe it or not, in fact I find some of the mockery and triumphalism from my fellow galway men a tad tragic, shows how crap we are that we need to get our kicks out of mayo losing.
Obviously there's no curse, but Mayo absolutely had the personnel to win several of those finals."]Obviously not good enough if they didn't win any."]So you're saying that there has never been a game of football where the losing team could have won it?
No bad luck, bad mistakes, players underperforming.
How many Tyrone players played badly in finals during the 2000s?
Donegal lost the 2014 final because Paul Durcan made a mistake he mightnt have repeated had he played for 5 more seasons, Tipperary lost the 2014 final because o Dwyer hit the sliotar an inch wide of the goalpost in the drawn game.
That's before we even get into dodgy refereeing decisions.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1942 - 19/09/2021 22:09:28    2381725

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Let's be brutally honest here, - Connaught final against Galway, Mayo did not turn up for the first half, they heaped pressure on themselves by starting the second half 5 or 6 points down, they somehow managed to beat Galway by something like 4 points, done and dusted in 35 mins (ish) that is plus 00-10 for Mayo over 35 mins (ish)


They met reigning All Ireland Champions who were going for 7 in a row, the same thing happened as it did with Galway, that is Mayo failed to turn up for the first half, they subsequently went in at half time trailing the Dub's by 6 points (ish). Mayo went on to beat Dublin by 00-03 points that is plus 00-09 for Mayo over 35 mins plus extra time.


There was a weighted mill stone hanging around the Mayo teams neck from the minute they beat the reigning All Ireland Champions who were going for 7 in a row, fact. It must go on record that no other top team in the country, like Kerry, Tyrone, Cavan, Cork, Monaghan, Meath, etc, etc, etc. came within an asses roar of beating Dublin, so here we have Mayo who have conveniently being ridiculed and criticised for failing to beat Dublin over 6 / 7 years.
All Ireland Semi-final 2021 Mayo finally did what no other county could do, they beat the Dub's over 35 mins plus extra time.

The failure of Mayo to beat Dublin between 2013 - 2020 inclusive and in particular, now mix that with the almost unexpected success Mayo had in semi final of 2021, there lies some of the reasons for their malfunction in the 2021 All Ireland final, the pressure must have been enormous, add to that the extra week postponement of the final with Tyrone, too much time to over think and ponder.

These are not excuses, they are reasons.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 3164 - 19/09/2021 23:34:29    2381744

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Replying To yew_tree:  "It's BBC Northern Ireland so it's only natural they will be biased towards Ulster teams. It's a bit like TG4….they show a lot of Connacht county (and west of Ireland) club games much to the annoyance of the rest of the country but they have every right to target their Irish speaking audience. I've even seen people complain of the commentary being in Irish."
Has to be said anyone watching a game on an Irish speaking channel and complaining about the commentary being in Irish is only a fool whichever province they are from!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15530 - 20/09/2021 09:06:16    2381771

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Replying To timmyhogan:  ".

The better team won on the day but to say that "... Tyrone team who would have beaten any team put in front of them" is as far from the truth as its possible to get. Even with their flat performance that particular Mayo team (who are hardly world beaters) would have beaten them easily IF they had taken the majority of their chances.
If Monaghan (or Mayo or whoever) go into a second half leading by two points and fail to score a point till the hour mark while kicking several bad wides they are USUALLY coming home without the cup & probably on the end of a bad beating.
Tyrone won a handy All Ireland - Mayo left a handier one behind."
Did Tyrone not kick several wides in first 10-12 mins of second half? Could have been over by the second water break if they took all their chances too??

The_Fonz (Westmeath) - Posts: 214 - 20/09/2021 09:54:43    2381780

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Replying To Galway9801:  "We were discussing bias. Tirchonaill accused the rté of favouring Mayo (Sean Cavanagh was a pundit), and I responded by saying that Ulster pundits were favouring Tyrone, and that the BBC hasn't (as far as I know) even allowed a Southern pundit onto their programme yet.
You retort by talking about camerawork?"
You asked in the post I replied to what was better about the BBCs coverage. So I answered you. The BBC only covered the Ulster championship so it's not surprising they tried to get analysts etc from the Ulster counties. Not hard to work out!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15530 - 20/09/2021 10:23:23    2381786

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Mayo team/management have come out of the final with a lot of damage, media, public opinion and even a big swell of home support seem to have turned tide and are being very critical.

That County statement of backing the team is quite amazing, in terms of justification of the need.

You feel a tide has changed around the Mayo narrative of sympathy, bad lu7ck and curses and the like, its going to be a tougher gig.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 4504 - 20/09/2021 13:41:42    2381848

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The Mayo team and management deserve criticism, and they can take it and should expect it after blowing a great opportunity. But also they don't deserve personal attacks from armchair fat ***** who have never kicked a ball of note. The narrative that Mayo love sympathy and are happy being the hard luck story drives me bananas. I hope the whole country turns against us to be honest. It would make things a bit easier!

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8356 - 20/09/2021 13:51:09    2381852

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Replying To Viking66:  "You asked in the post I replied to what was better about the BBCs coverage. So I answered you. The BBC only covered the Ulster championship so it's not surprising they tried to get analysts etc from the Ulster counties. Not hard to work out!"
Ulster pundits are often asked by the rté to give their opinions on games only involving Southern teams, the BBC would be well within their rights to bring Southern pundits on to their coverage, but I still don't think they will. The idea that only ulstermen should be asked to commentate and analyse ulster games by the BBC is silly,and (whisper it) partitionist.
My original post was in reply to tirchonaill who accused the rté of anti ulster bias, when I called him out on the BBCs anti southern bias you said you didn't agree, without specifying why, instead segueing into their superior coverage.
I allowed myself a smirk when you mentioned their superior camerawork, but I did ask you to be original so I guess that's fair enough, ( I don't think I've ever heard that point being made in relation to any sports coverage since the advent of HD, so it was original I'll give you that)

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1942 - 20/09/2021 14:08:32    2381861

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