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A group stage can work after the provincial championships. It's down to the fixture scheduling which they would have looked at for the Super 8s third year except for the pandemic. An example of a Final 16 group of 4; Weekend 1: Match 1 has provincial winner at home versus an opponent. Match 2 between the 2 other teams. Weekend 2: The winners of Match 1 and Match 2. The losers of Match 1 and Match 2. (In the event of a draw or draws in Weekend 1, the team from the higher pot ranking takes the place of winner for scheduling purposes.) Weekend 3: Guaranteed that at least 1 match is a winnner takes it all and this will be the live game on TV getting the media focus. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8584 - 25/10/2021 14:08:21 2387296 Link 0 |
I want to see 16 in the all Ireland and 16 in the Tailteann Cup. skirge7 (UK) - Posts: 254 - 25/10/2021 15:21:22 2387305 Link 0 |
Listening to these debates over the past few years i'm now more convinced than ever we are not even sure what problem we are trying to solve. The allireland competition in its current format has existed for over a 100 years. In those years many a heavy beating has been handed out and this will continue to happen no matter what structure you implement. But more importantly is that so called weaker teams have had days in the sun with Cavan, Tipperary, louth & Wexford to name a few. ponger (Cavan) - Posts: 547 - 25/10/2021 19:29:14 2387332 Link 0 |
There will never be a change until a rule is brought in which states that each club must have at least 3 ex players from within this past 7 years on there Committee. One of these must be one if there club to county delegates.This could then be mirrored at county level. Again at least 3 players who retired within the past 7 years. At least one of these players must become a county to national delegate border Gael (Monaghan) - Posts: 906 - 25/10/2021 20:00:20 2387336 Link 0 |
Complete nonsense once again from you, everyone is well aware realistic all ireland hopes are limited to 4 or 5 teams but everyone is entitled tona proper programme of games further into the year.
bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 25/10/2021 21:19:52 2387353 Link 0 |
Here's an idea. Have your Champions League-style group stage, 4 groups of 8, and top two go into the knockout rounds. Then play it out to a final four. Then, either afterwards or dispersed through the CL thing, play the provincial championships, and that will give you four provincial champions. These four teams plus the four teams from the other thing are your All-Ireland quarterfinalists. And if any teams qualify both ways, they get a bye to the semifinals. Not perfect but it keeps the provincials intact and important and it introduces extra games for everyone. Tacaí Liatroma (Leitrim) - Posts: 1145 - 26/10/2021 07:15:19 2387360 Link 0 |
Listening to OTB and Tom Parsons and they don't seem to understand that a slightly bigger financial package and a few tweaks won't get this over the line. No provincial link and granting lower tier teams with a place in Sam over teams competing in Div 1 will ensure it remains dead. Parsons mentioned they had over 20 proposals to pick from and B was the best. I doubt that. Come back with a similar proposal and it will fail again. Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 746 - 26/10/2021 08:53:34 2387362 Link 1 |
Can someone explain what I'm missing here? Joe Brolly wrote in the Sunday Independent ( whilst advocating the retention of the provincial championships ) that the primary goal of every player in Ulster is to win the Ulster Final. If that's true, then why does it need to be linked to the All Ireland ? Rebel2020 (Cork) - Posts: 92 - 26/10/2021 09:53:38 2387374 Link 3 |
I must admit to being relieved with the vote on Saturday. As I said on here before I think breaking the provincial link would have been a massive mistake. I think this is why it failed to pass. brianb (Kildare) - Posts: 406 - 26/10/2021 10:32:24 2387380 Link 1 |
Wexford are not entitled to be there by winning Div 4. Earn your place by winning Leinster or getting promoted to Div 2.
Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 746 - 26/10/2021 11:00:23 2387392 Link 1 |
Limited to 4 or 5 teams still doesn't give lower teams the right for a easy passage to the last 16. What then , a good beating on a bigger stage, while 2 Div 1 teams look on. Start paddling your own canoe.
Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2261 - 26/10/2021 11:40:26 2387402 Link 1 |
I never said they were entitled to make last 8, 10, 12 etc. but EVERY team no matter what division are entitled to a decent of games into the middle part of the year instead of just January-March and then 2-3 from that point on, you went completely off topic. Proposal B offered this. On another point get your head out of Jim McGuinness's backside, the man arguably damaged Gaelic football more than anyone in the last 20 years, even hijacked your entire club championship at 1 point if my memory serves me right. bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 26/10/2021 12:05:31 2387408 Link 0 |
If you're waiting for the perfect proposal it's never going to happen, you try things, discover what works what doesn't, evolve the structure continually for a couple of years if needs be, but don't paralyse the game because you're petrified of change. Unfortunately looking at the age demographic of the change makers nothing will now happen until fresh progressive men/women are in place who have a best for all Ireland approach to this. Possibly 10 yrs or more, will anyone be left watching by then though.. cuttothebone (Kildare) - Posts: 166 - 26/10/2021 12:18:21 2387413 Link 0 |
You talk about wanting fairness but are okay with a system which punishes teams for being in Div 1. You last comment is funny. What do Wexford know about football. Only had a decent team because your hurlers were too afraid to face KK. Get back to me when a Wexford club wins their provincial title. The McGuinness plan is far better than Proposal B but no let's give a Div 4 side an easier route because they can't be bothered to get off their ass and improve.
Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 746 - 26/10/2021 12:32:49 2387421 Link 0 |
Proposal B was rubbish and it only got traction because of the GPA and OTB.
Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 746 - 26/10/2021 12:35:34 2387423 Link 0 |
Based upon the current structure, do you think it is feasible to devise a best for all ireland approach? I agree with you that the demograhic need to change but there seems to be a lot of vested interests. Players and supporters have been voting with their feet in the last decade at intercounty level. People are frustrated with the status quo and while proposal b had its drawbacks it was a start but it got defeated. How long will it be on the shelf for until the next vote?
wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 2069 - 26/10/2021 12:50:24 2387428 Link 0 |
The more you post the more clueless you show yourself to be. What teams want is more meaningful championship games against teams of their own level I.e proposal B. This easy option to an All Ireland nonsense your peddling is just a smokescreen to the fact your afraid to try something different, arguably the Ulster counties have showed a weak mentality in the last few weeks.
bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 26/10/2021 12:52:34 2387429 Link 1 |
Also 1 of your delegates said on Saturday 'we can't have Division 4 teams against Division 1 teams' This person might needed to be reminded this year we had... Mayo v Sligo Mayo v Leitrim Armagh v Antrim Dublin v Wexford Talk about clutching at straws.... 1 of the main reasons we've had a bad decade of championship football is the provincial championships becoming a wasteland yet apparently there sacrosanct. bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 26/10/2021 12:58:02 2387431 Link 0 |
If its rubbish why did it get over 50% of the vote... Status Quo is proven rubbish. bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 26/10/2021 13:00:01 2387432 Link 2 |
Couldn't care less. It's still rubbish.
Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 746 - 26/10/2021 13:08:05 2387433 Link 0 |