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Super 8s aren't going to brought back I believe. If A and B proposals fail to get 60% of the vote next years championship will be back to 2001 to 2017 format that includes stand alone AI quarter finals. The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 3958 - 03/10/2021 17:49:59 2384282 Link 0 |
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I agree Super 8s probably won't come back, given split season and restrictive window. Just saying, Mick McGrath of Donegal is pushing this (link below). https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/gaa/arid-40711571.html Theoretically it can happen - practically not - but when is the GAA practical ? If Plans A & B fall short of 60% support, it reverts back to prior format, with or without Super 8 - 2019 had it, 2017 not. omahant (USA) - Posts: 3100 - 03/10/2021 19:29:40 2384293 Link 0 |
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It seems more likely at the moment that proposal A or B wont make it through! It would be great to hear a debate on the matter. I hope it happens. Otherwise, if 60% isn't secured for either proposed change, I feel the GAA authorities will be seen as faceless! Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1467 - 03/10/2021 19:45:20 2384297 Link 0 |
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Maybe the gaa should take another year to come with a few tweaks to the proposals, I'm not 100% sold on any of them really.
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 04/10/2021 13:33:06 2384367 Link 0 |
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I agree with that. I always felt it would be better to rebalance the game; remove a bit of power from the county manager and allow club championship rounds to take place at the same time as the inter county championships. Revert to the county team being a representative team of the county clubs rather than effectively a separate team who loan players back to the club. But the battle over the split season is over. With the split season the championship format is even more important. It has to keep a degree of competitiveness in it for most counties into July. A properly tiered system will do that. Get this wrong and it could accelerate the decline of football. brianb (Kildare) - Posts: 401 - 04/10/2021 14:07:45 2384370 Link 0 |
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In fairness while I accept that your summer ending after losing just one game is harsh I feel that many of the players representing weaker counties can lose interest once the get sent into the qualifiers anyways. Didn't one county team a few years back lose half their squad to emigration or something once they'd lost in their province, even though they were still in the all ireland ? Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1942 - 04/10/2021 14:11:16 2384372 Link 0 |
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There needs to be something brought in that has all teams at their peak for Championship football at the same time. Too many getting away with peaking at the latter stages.
Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2250 - 04/10/2021 14:31:56 2384377 Link 3 |
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The Ulster chief is on off the ball tomorrow morning.. He has come out strongly against the new proposals. Fair play to him for going public. It should be an interesting listen.. Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1467 - 04/10/2021 15:31:12 2384388 Link 0 |
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I agree, also 4/5 weeks between provincial finals and the knockout stages needs to be looked at, it definitely doesn't do teams any favours.
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 04/10/2021 16:20:35 2384395 Link 2 |
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The mass exodus after Ulster hurt Antrim lots over the years no doubt. My thought would be that the championship should be a more league style competition and those that want to play inter county are given a good program of games to keep them around. The competition has to be tiered also to give teams something to allow for more meaningful games. No county is ever going to be able to get all their best players available to them, but really I do think the split season is better for getting players a short sharp run of games where they are incessantly training from December for the sake of league in February and March and then 2 games after that in the good weather. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4416 - 04/10/2021 16:33:13 2384397 Link 4 |
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I'd love inter county to be of less significance too but at the end of the day the inter county championship is THE money maker for the association dominating every other revenue source. It's the high profile level of the game and where the best challenge themselves against the best. It wasn't being moderated at all over the years. I think the split season makes the best of a bad situation.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4416 - 04/10/2021 16:36:14 2384401 Link 2 |
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One of the biggest reasons for proposing change is that the weaker teams are getting pulverized by the stronger teams in the Championship. Surely if the likes of Kerry, Dublin and Mayo were peaking earlier this would increase the problem?
Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1467 - 04/10/2021 16:51:33 2384403 Link 0 |
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I think the GAA will be happy if both are rejected. All Div 1 teams should be in the championship lillyboy (Kildare) - Posts: 429 - 04/10/2021 18:23:53 2384406 Link 0 |
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Proposal B means a team could win the All Ireland having lost five matches as it is possible to come fifth in Division 1 on three points (i.e. one win, one draw and five defeats). For example, if the 56 points in the division were distributed like this, with the bottom four teams losing to all teams in the top four and then sharing the remaining 12 points between them: CeachtPeile (Cavan) - Posts: 123 - 05/10/2021 09:14:13 2384451 Link 0 |
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I'd tend to agree with that. As we saw with some teams choosing to break the covid rules and continue to train anything other than the split season would have been very hard to police. Club players are happy; county players are happy so the split season will remain. I'm still worried about the long term impact to playing numbers. GAA is a great summer sport and the games are best in the summer. Under the spit season everyone gets 1/2 a summer at least. But back to the championship. I still think there is a case for more games. These are elite players; elite in 2020 to keep playing trough the lockdown; elite in the sense that they have a different season to the rest of the game; elite in that the lads are the fittest and best in each county. Elite players should be able to pretty much every week - especially now that there's a defined close season as well. Moving counties (Proposal A) has seen no traction and will not pass. The league based All Ireland (Proposal B) is getting significant traction and might pass. This basically replaces the O'Byrne cup with the Delaney cup; keeps the league and gives all bar the best teams no knockout championship action. I think it will work for a few years before everyone starts wondering why the crowds are no longer turning up to the provincial matches and why there is the same level of interest in the league based championship games as there was in the league. brianb (Kildare) - Posts: 401 - 05/10/2021 10:09:18 2384456 Link 0 |
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From Off The Ball this morning.. Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1467 - 05/10/2021 11:08:02 2384466 Link 0 |
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Ulster says NO.
KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 05/10/2021 11:26:06 2384471 Link 1 |
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They usually do! Haven't seen any reported comments from the other 3 but I'd expect they'd be against Proposal B. If neither A or B pass we're back to 2017 or 2019 systems. Most Counties will have 90% of their games before 31st March. Some will only get 2 more games in April/May. Very hard to promote football with that sort of a season, especially where Soccer or rugby are strong, have Senior teams etc. Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 2092 - 05/10/2021 12:50:14 2384486 Link 1 |
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They usually do! Haven't seen any reported comments from the other 3 but I'd expect they'd be against Proposal B. If neither A or B pass we're back to 2017 or 2019 systems. Most Counties will have 90% of their games before 31st March. Some will only get 2 more games in April/May. Very hard to promote football with that sort of a season, especially where Soccer or rugby are strong, have Senior teams etc."]Forgive my math's but even if the 9 Ulster counties say no then the gaa could still get their 60% needed to get the B proposal through, but I suppose the fact that there are 3 different proposals that could split the vote. KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 05/10/2021 13:49:33 2384489 Link 0 |
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They usually do! Haven't seen any reported comments from the other 3 but I'd expect they'd be against Proposal B. If neither A or B pass we're back to 2017 or 2019 systems. Most Counties will have 90% of their games before 31st March. Some will only get 2 more games in April/May. Very hard to promote football with that sort of a season, especially where Soccer or rugby are strong, have Senior teams etc."]Forgive my math's but even if the 9 Ulster counties say no then the gaa could still get their 60% needed to get the B proposal through, but I suppose the fact that there are 3 different proposals that could split the vote."]Apparently the vote will be proposal A yes or no, if it fails it goes to proposal B. At least the vote doesn't get split between the 2 options, not that proposal A is getting much backing anyway. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4416 - 05/10/2021 15:42:45 2384508 Link 3 |