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Hennelly kerry4sam21 (Kerry) - Posts: 103 - 01/09/2021 09:30:02 2376938 Link 0 |
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Is that 5 Kerry All-stars and 2 for Tyrone? I'd assume 5 would be a record for losing semi-finalists. D Clifford plus maybe O'Sullivan will be your lot, I'd say. Ruane would be my footballer of the year at this point, but of course that could easily change after the final. WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2045 - 01/09/2021 10:25:55 2376951 Link 3 |
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Not much point in predicting all stars until after the final imo. Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1714 - 01/09/2021 12:12:49 2376970 Link 1 |
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How can one's be so biased like the reality is that a lot of the Kerry players have shown how overhyped and overrated a team they are in the last three years. They are a decent team but the reality as I think Dinny Long put it on Terrace Talk is that they are a couple of players short of winning an All Ireland, plus the fact that they have a few players in the twilight of their careers. Paul Murphy, David Moran, Stephen O'Brien and Paul Geaney all nearing the end of their career. I'd say David Clifford will be the only Kerry player winning an All Star.
CartaDubh (Clare) - Posts: 51 - 01/09/2021 13:28:46 2376997 Link 2 |
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How quickly amnesia sets in! Ok, 2020 was a write-off but Kerry drew with Dublin in the 2019 final (ok, they lost the replay) and could easily have beaten Tyrone last Saturday - losing by 1 point after extra-time. In fact, the 'reality' (your word) is that Kerry were arguably the second best team in the country over the last 3 years - not too bad for an "overhyped and over-rated team". Aibrean (Kerry) - Posts: 263 - 01/09/2021 14:48:56 2377024 Link 0 |
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Ya it's really the media's fault, they hype up Kerry based on tradition. Yes Kerry could have very easily won that game on Saturday but hearing things all year about how Kerry were going to win the all Ireland and once Dublin were gone that they were going to cake walk to the All Ireland. Look Kerry are still in the top 5 teams in the country but they probably don't have a strong enough squad or a good enough team to win the All Ireland. Compare Kerry's back line to the likes of Tyrone's, Mayo's or Dublin's and they aren't as good. Also some of their forwards are not playing as good as they were and David Clifford was the one keeping them in the game on Saturday need more from the likes of Seanie O'Shea if they are going to get to the next level and win the All Ireland.
CartaDubh (Clare) - Posts: 51 - 01/09/2021 16:23:41 2377058 Link 2 |
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To be fair to O'Shea, he was good on Saturday too. It was the other 4 forwards who didn't offer near enough.
cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5015 - 02/09/2021 22:16:46 2377415 Link 13 |
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Would Mathew Tierney be in the running for a midfield nomination at this point, even YPOTY mhunicean_abu (Monaghan) - Posts: 1044 - 02/09/2021 23:01:12 2377423 Link 0 |
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Hennelly Kerry15 (Kerry) - Posts: 958 - 02/09/2021 23:34:06 2377432 Link 0 |
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Are dublin getting token all stars cause of the last 10 years or something? No way should they have a place on the final team of the year. Kilkenny is mentioned alot, yes he had the usual flashes of brilliance, but he also made more mistakes and kicked more wides then I've ever seen him have. Mick fitz is always good but an all star this year?? The only game I seen him first hand was meath obviously and whether he was on Wallace or Morris he was conceding plenty of yards and plenty of scores. His other 2 games in leinster were relatively easy as neither wexford nor kildare really attacked much. And the last 50 mins of the mayo game should really rule any dub out. A really brilliant team over the past 10 years, but not deserving of any all stars this year I'm afraid. southmeathgael (Meath) - Posts: 890 - 03/09/2021 07:52:01 2377444 Link 14 |
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They absolutely have a good enough team to win an all ireland. They lost after extra time to a tyrone side who out tacticed them and got 2 flukey goals. If there's no 5 week break they win. If they have a better manager they win. The kerry team was overated and shouldn't of being favourites for the all Ireland with 2 games to play. But they are now underrated and absolutely have the talent to win an all ireland. Sssthe (Mayo) - Posts: 57 - 03/09/2021 08:28:35 2377447 Link 1 |
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From open play, I thought he was below par. His freetaking was brilliant as usual though. One of, if not the best dead-ball kicker in the country.
WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2045 - 03/09/2021 09:37:57 2377456 Link 0 |
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I don't think Kerry are that far away at all, they need a few guys to emerge as some panel members are pushing on as you have pointed out but there are good young players in and around the panel and at underage and club level. Above all else they need to be a lot smarter with how they approach games and on the sideline in general. Not giving the ball back to their opponents 35 times in a single game would be a good start. There is something missing in the coaching setup and general preparation as far as I am concerned but that is a whole other discussion. It's not Kerry's fault that the media continually build them up for a fall. Hopefully last weekend will see a more realistic outlook being applied to the team in the future. They'll have an awful lot to prove in the coming years and they will have a lot of doubters, rightly so. I'd much prefer that than what we had this year where they were being crowned before a ball was kicked in the Championship. They never earned that kind of expectation and I don't think it helped them whatsoever. GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 2105 - 03/09/2021 09:43:43 2377459 Link 10 |
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Thought he dropped into the link role pretty well. Geaney and Paudi Clifford would both have been expected to take on that role before O'Shea and couldn't do it. He wasn't caught in possession near as much as the other kerry forwards (DC included) and his passing was on point. Should've taken the goal chance himself. Passing was the wrong option and it was a poor pass. But apart from that, I thought he and Clifford took the fight to a packed Tyrone defence with very little help. cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5015 - 03/09/2021 09:47:22 2377461 Link 11 |
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I think you are spot on,though final could change a few.
seamusorinn (USA) - Posts: 295 - 03/09/2021 10:50:11 2377484 Link 0 |
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I think ye aren't too far off really, but I suppose ya maybe the Kerry management can have some fault like probably got their tactics wrong, whereas Tyrone honed in on the key Kerry players to shut them out of the game, whereas Kerry didn't really hone in on the key Tyrone players like McGeary who had something like 40 possessions and was everywhere it seemed on the field. Tyrone forced Kerry into a maniac kinda running game, where Tyrone where able to swarm Kerry players and then hit Kerry on the counter and use their strong runners from deep the likes of McGeary, Harte, Donnelly when he came out the field used to good effect as a lot of the Tyrone players are very stylish and comfortable on the ball. Another point as well as I didn't see the end of normal time or extra live, or the analysis but the analysis on RTÉ drove me crazy, just used the cliched Tyrone wanted it more or were more hungrier for it which was absolute rubbish. At an All Ireland semi final stage if a team doesn't want to win they why are they playing in the first absolute rubbish from Pat Spillane, both sets of players gave it everything on the day, it's just that Tyrone got the tactics better, their use of the ball was a bit better and there last ditch defending was that bit better as the likes of Burns, O'Neill and Harte made 3 vital contributions that made possible easier goal chances for Kerry harder by covering across or getting blocks in. While the Kerry backs were that little bit slower to anticipate the danger. Ya I think one thing though as well we are hopefully going to really have a competitive championship for the next few years and hopefully one of the new championship structures the league based championship comes in as it would benefit a lot of team and make sure that there a lot of more competitive games in the championship. Like Kerry and Dublin are you would think going to come back strong. You will have one of Tyrone or Mayo defending their crown and one of them wounded and looking to get back into a final. Then the likes of Armagh, Monaghan, Donegal and Galway will be looking to try and push on and improve. All in all makes for what will hopefully a great championship in 2022 and hopefully no provincials but I have a feeling that they will still vote in to keep the same old provincial championships and Super 8's which would be a disaster. CartaDubh (Clare) - Posts: 51 - 03/09/2021 12:06:46 2377510 Link 0 |
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I'd say he would definitely be in the running for young player of the year. I think criteria for young player of the year is that they have to be Under 21 and he won an All Ireland under 20 last year so could be up there as hard to think of too many other young players, not sure what age Oisin Mullin is so he could be in there as well for Young player of the year. Don't know is there anyone young enough for Tyrone or Kerry or Dublin. David Clifford's overage so it's hard to pick out young player of the year. Aaron Mulligan for Monaghan had a good year up until the Ulster final so might get nominated as well for young player of the year.
CartaDubh (Clare) - Posts: 51 - 03/09/2021 12:14:04 2377515 Link 0 |
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Seanie's had better games. He scored a single point from play and his nominal immediate marker got man-of-the-match. Tyrone simply got a good return on the scoreboard for their efforts last weekend while Kerry didn't and that's why Mayo will be playing them on the 11th. Had Kerry made the final the list of strong potentials for all-stars would include David Moran and a couple more. Paddy Durcan seems to be in some posters lists for POTY and not in others for even an all-star. He was very unlucky last year and unless he has a stinker of a final he'll definitely get an award this year. If he's man-of-the-match in the final and Mayo win he'll likely get POTY too. If Tyrone win, it'll likely be McGeary, particularly if he repeats his semi-final performance. Win or lose, if no one stands out of those two, then Mattie will get it and if Mattie plays well he'll get it anyway. Pericles (Mayo) - Posts: 2521 - 03/09/2021 12:33:14 2377528 Link 0 |
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He looked good against the Rossies, but not particularly against Mayo. He just played senior in those two games. Not sure if it'd be enough when you compare other young potentials for the award. A few will be playing in the final too.
Pericles (Mayo) - Posts: 2521 - 03/09/2021 14:08:49 2377564 Link 0 |
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Mattie Donnelly is going quite well alright, but I'd say McGeary or Meyler are ahead of him for POTY!
foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 1921 - 03/09/2021 14:44:02 2377581 Link 0 |