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I think the issue with the discipline last night was a little different in the sense I think the Dublin players knew as the game wore on that the quality wasn't on the bench to rescue them. They were in big trouble long before Mayo even realised. Those Dublin lads have gotten used to only winning at this level. Naturally they started getting frustrated and that turned into petulance. I think the Paddy Small punch was the perfect example. He had clearly lost the head. It's not unique to Dublin in any sense. Seen plenty of other teams, mine own included, lash out in frustration when things go badly. I think the bigger point is all the nonsense that Dublin players were better footballers and a better team partly because they were better people, did more for their communities, worked harder etc. was always rubbish. They were great athletes and great footballers and had a great set up with the best resources and best manager. Other teams trained as hard but simply didn't have the athletes or footballers to compete and most didn't have the quality of coaches or resources. HighKings (Meath) - Posts: 271 - 15/08/2021 10:23:15 2371369 Link 3 |
I agree that Dublin clearly aren't as good this year. The first 15 is still very strong, but the bench was clearly much weaker than what you had over the past 8 years. Dublin have gotten into a habit this year of trying to see out games from a very early stage instead of continuing to drive at their opponent. I do think part of this is because they don't quite have the legs to do what they used to, the support runs became less and less frequent. They invite pressure on themselves by doing this and it can be very hard to stop the momentum when the opposition gets a run. One thing which really stood out to me yesterday was the number of basic errors and poor decisions made by Dublin players the from the second half onward. Yes, some were made under pressure, but others were surprising. Passes to lads who weren't looking, some aimless kicks and decisions to foul when there actually no need. There are things I never associated with Dublin under Gavin. I want to finish by acknowledging a phenomenal team who've had some of the best players to ever do it. Even in defeat yesterday, Fenton made a couple of brilliant catches from kickouts when Dublin needed it badly. Despite a lot of the one-sided and begrudging nonsense posted on here, there are a lot of people who actually appreciate excellent football teams. I'm sure they'll have a hunger next year that might not have been there for some time. WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2046 - 15/08/2021 10:31:30 2371375 Link 2 |
Dublin have lost to many good players over the last 12-24 months. It really is that simple. They haven't had the same quality replace them. daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 15/08/2021 10:33:16 2371376 Link 3 |
Cynicism and fouling is part of the game unfortunately in every county. But when a player gets hit at full force by an elbow in the head and ends up in hospital then there's something seriously wrong with the game and with the GAA's attitude to violent play. Most of the Dublin team are very skilful and play the game fairly but at least three of their players let Dublin down badly yesterday. Calling a hit in the head a tackle, on a player who can't protect himself, is disingenuous and gives the green light to actions that can cause serious injury. James Horan has rightly complained about the incident. However, I don't recall a word out of him re the hit on Galway's top player in this year's Connacht final. Lets call out violent play from all quarters. There will always be individual players who can't take a beating but the onus is on management to instil a culture of fair play and humility in defeat. It's hard to understand how any player, especially a member of a 6 in-a-row All Ireland winning team, could begrudge a team that hasn't won an All Ireland in 70 years. Very poor sportsmanship to say the least. baire (Galway) - Posts: 1818 - 15/08/2021 10:40:09 2371378 Link 0 |
The gap was closing and had gathered speed. Commentators last year predicting 10 in a row for Dublin was nonsense. They were a brilliant team. Mayo are a very young team and stuck by their game plan and eventually wore down the Dubs. It was Dublins indiscipline yesterday that helped them loose it. Philly Mc Mahons antics caused the free to be taken again. That sent it into ET. The 2 Smalls dident help with their antics. And No 3 should have walked the line also. Their behaviour and the consequences certainly spurred Mayo on. border Gael (Monaghan) - Posts: 894 - 15/08/2021 10:40:23 2371379 Link 0 |
Like I said on another thread, people have been waiting since 2014 to unleash all sorts of nastiness when Dublin get beaten. Its to be expected. Especially on forums like this. Thankfully I'm not on twitter but by all accounts it's a dumpster for all sorts of vile crap. Why would you bother like?
Jackeen (Dublin) - Posts: 4097 - 15/08/2021 10:54:36 2371384 Link 11 |
9 changes maybe but any All Ireland winning team have 5 or 6 marque players who ultimately make the difference when it really matters. Your Cluxton's, Brogan, McCaffrey weren't there and then the top top players that are there are older and more miles built up. When the crunch came yesterday like it did at times through the 6 in a row, the players who got them over the line either weren't there or time caught up on them. The Irish sporting world will talk about Dublin 2015 to 2020 for generations to come, a truly unbelievable team, we should be lucky to have witnessed it. I think it's clear time has caught up on them and they're back into the pack. Of course they'll be there or thereabouts but the domination is over. This thread is unfair on Dublin, yes they lost yesterday but lets not forget the remarkable run they had. sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 999 - 15/08/2021 10:57:51 2371387 Link 4 |
it always amazes me how people draw these outlandish conclusions from the results of tight games that frankly could go either way. s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 15/08/2021 10:58:27 2371388 Link 3 |
I would say it would be great were it not for a good chunk of their fans being completely ungracious in defeat. Personally, I have no gra for Mayo for that reason and for the behaviour of some of their players towards management in the past.
Square_B (Leitrim) - Posts: 845 - 15/08/2021 11:04:23 2371389 Link 2 |
Which ideals - amateurism, equity, respect?
P.Mckenna (Louth) - Posts: 105 - 15/08/2021 11:16:50 2371394 Link 1 |
If every other county had someone with your mindset in charge, Dublin would win 40 in a row. Thankfully the Mayo lads have much stronger belief. WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2046 - 15/08/2021 11:20:20 2371397 Link 0 |
This isn't about Dublin regression. Mayo have been there or there abouts for a number of years. Dublin have shown flat performances before. Yesterday's game reminded me of 2016, wet day, low scoring, Mayo held Dublin scoreless for 30 minutes that day. The difference is yesterday they managed to get themselves over the line.
97Cavans (Cavan) - Posts: 323 - 15/08/2021 11:47:48 2371415 Link 0 |
Meath & Kildare were 'competitive' v Dublin this year. It was odds on that Mayo would be right there with them, but the loss of Mullen seemed likely to be significant. Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 3456 - 15/08/2021 11:55:45 2371418 Link 1 |
Kerry were shocking against a poor Cork team last year when it mattered most...the Cork team who would go on to lose to Tipp who then got put to the sword by Mayo in the semis within 30 minutes.. This Kerry team looked great in the last two covid plagued league campaigns full of injuries and teams in transition... Look at all the Div 1 teams this year.. Dublin included.. all way off their best missing key players and blooding new young players. How will P Clifford do under the bright lights for the first time? How will D Clifford do with the immense pressure and expectation? How will that shake Kerry back line fare? How will this whole Kerry team fare having walked through Munster straight into the final? The notions around here that Kerry are on a different level at the moment are hilarious, based on what? These last two league campaigns? When it really mattered in champo last year they were miles off it. nicko94 (Mayo) - Posts: 68 - 15/08/2021 12:36:04 2371447 Link 2 |
dont forget though that David Clifford only scored 1 point (from a free) against Cork. so he is not exactly coming in in unstoppable form. His brother , Gavin White, Briain O' Beaglach, Paul Murphy, Sean O' Sé and David Moran are the form players. even Paul Geaney not firingnon all cylinders of late. s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 15/08/2021 12:47:39 2371456 Link 0 |
To be honest I could give you plenty of examples of similar incidents to yesterday in games Dublin have won though. When you win it's put down to 'gamesmanship' or cynical play or just getting the job done etc etc. When you lose its petulance. I think Paddy Small encapsulates Dublin's regression in another way to be honest. I like Paddy and he's a good footballer but at his absolute best he doesn't get off the bench for Dublin 2013-2019. The other guff is just what gets written often about championship teams. I heard an interview with Liam Hayes recently where he was bemoaning the current Meath players about his generation wanted to beat Dublin more etc etc. But its nonsense. MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13718 - 15/08/2021 12:51:24 2371459 Link 4 |
We will see.
Cavan_Shambles (Cavan) - Posts: 575 - 15/08/2021 13:19:20 2371482 Link 0 |
I think people's favoritism of Kerry is based on their performances against Dublin in 2019. Both performances would have had Dublin beaten out the gate yesterday. MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13718 - 15/08/2021 13:24:01 2371485 Link 3 |
I am surprised how Dublin's run came to an end. It's normally harder to get over the line when you are facing a great team as even if their standard drops normally they have the experience/ know how to make the right decisions and often stay in games when playing bad. Dublin in the second half and extra time played like a rabble. It was amazing how this can happen to a team who were on the greatest run of success ever seen in the GAA. I have to say I was delighted to see that Dublin playing this horribly boring keep ball worked against them yesterday, the 45 Mayo got was silly Dublin hand passing around their own goal. bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1358 - 15/08/2021 13:42:47 2371495 Link 1 |
Where are all the little minds now? Those who proclaimed vociferously from the rooftops that football was dead. That the big, bad, blue machine had killed it! Oh, where are they, indeed? foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 1927 - 15/08/2021 14:44:19 2371522 Link 5 |