Replying To essmac:  "Don't forget Thaildomide and Vioxx. Theres nothing wrong with questioning the supposed experts. So far the supposed experts have been wrong more than they have been right."]"Supposed experts". You're not "questioning", you're flat out denying. Do you have any credible and independent sources to corroborate your startling assertion that scientists are mostly wrong? It's a sign of a rational mind that can admit to being wrong. The problem I have with the anti vaccers is that, according to themselves, they are never wrong. The reality here is that, with the decline in organised religion, folks who like simple certainties and blind faith are latching onto conspiracy theories as a way to express what fundamentally is a religious instinct."]Where to start, well why not at the beginning.
1: According to the experts this versus was natural and not tampered with in the lab.
It was
2: This versus isn't transmittable human to human.
It is
3: No need to wear masks in fact they make the virus's worse
Now they want you to wear 2 masks
4: Asymptomatic spread is minor
Now they claim that 50% is caused by asymptotic people
5: The versus doesn't stay airborne for long
Now some are saying that it could stay in the air for a half an hour or more.
6: It doesn't really effect the young
Now they say it's rampant in the young but it could also be RSV.
There's more but these are some of the big ones.
What's baffling me is how did a thread on Kerry Tyrone dive big time into a debate over COVID-19. I know that Tyrone got smacked by the virus"]The fella said: "Theres nothing wrong with questioning the supposed experts. So far the supposed experts …"

His "supposed experts" jibe suggests someone who doesn't merely question experts, but who has contempt for them. Today, the general culture (especially post Trump and Johnson) is one of outright contempt for expertise - not questioning, outright contempt and cast-iron certainties based on very limited knowledge. None of those boyos out planning to attack vaccination centres, or any of those angry folks out protesting about vaccines and so-called "lockdowns" have any doubts whatsoever - they're 100% convinced they're 100% right about everything.

The essence of science and reason is doubt, and making mistakes, and adding to your knowledge. Of course we know more about covid now than we did a year ago. I got covid pretty bad. I've read numerous peer-reviewed scientific papers on it, and am starting to understand it, a bit.

Re Wuhan, there is no reliable scientific consensus, since the Chinese are refusing to allow a proper investigation to be carried out. All we have is speculation, based on incomplete evidence. The key movers in that are politicians, and we know what they're like.

Not sure where you saw that covid wasn't transmittable human to human - I've never seen that stated in any credible source. In fact, based on what I had read in April 2020, I bought myself a personal air purifier from Switzerland, as all the evidence pointed even then to aerosol transmission, and, interestingly, that sneeze and cough droplets were less harmful than aerosol from normal speech - the large droplets settle quicker, whereas the smaller ones can linger for a couple of hours.

Masks? Again, depends on what your sources are, but I've been using FFP3 masks for over a year. Other masks are designed to protect people around you, but only an FFP3 mask protects the wearer, not entirely, but to a reasonable extent. Again, I have no seen any credible sources denying the efficacy of masks. The overwhelming consensus has been that masks are useful against an airborne disease. It'd be bizarre to suggest otherwise. Admittedly, N95 (US standard) and FFP3 (UK standard) only capture down to 99% of all particles that are 0.3 microns in diameter or larger. This means they should be ineffective against coronavirus; however they seem to have some value, nonetheless. Google: "Can Masks Capture Coronavirus Particles?"

Asymptomatic spread was indeed minor for earlier covid variants; but not for the recent delta variant which, based on initial observations, seems almost as infectious, regardless. That's not an instance of scientists being wrong; just an instance of rational people altering their conclusions when the underlying evidence changes. You won't find many of the right wing conspiracy boys ever altering their position on anything.

Airborne - no, you perhaps have not been reading credible sources - it's old news that it could stay airborne for hours, depending on whether sneeze droplets or aerosol from normal speech - old news a year ago; that's why I spent money I didn't have on a superfine particle Swiss desk air filter; and it's why I'm now installing an upgraded air exchanger / heat recovery system in the house I'm building. I didn't do either of those on a whim; the weight of evidence was very clear. I'm afraid if you base your position on what you read in 90% of newspapers or on social media, you'll be lead badly astray, as most of them are "post-facts" and are too lazy and sensationalist to study anything dispassionately. People in the social media age prefer lurid headlines and instant controversy, and feeling self righteous; instead of boring analysis.

It can affect young people - so far, the evidence suggests that it doesn't affect as many young people badly, but of course it can affect young people.

As for hijacked thread, I'd say chatting about covid is more interesting than chatting about the game, which is a foregone conclusion : ) If Kerry wanted to make a game of this, we'd have to get a 6 goal start and, ideally, get a loan of Clifford … what a player. I have a real concern the game won't be worth watching."]From the outside looking in all I can say is it's strange times we are living in, along with that we have strange posts c/w strange posters, far from being the conventional type we have been used to, covid 19 and the pandemic may be partly to blame, Perhaps yes, perhaps no, never the less, we hours away from a game that will give the ultimate winner a place in the All Ireland Senior football final with Mayo, and as far as I can see it's more to do with raising one's own profile, ego's and personal performance than discussing the meeting of Tyrone and Kerry.


Some posters are writing nothing but reams of what may or may not be rubbish and the longer posts the better for some, opinions are one thing, qualified opinions are another thing but qualified statements of facts are something else.
Lengthily posts from the same few who appear to be full of their own importance is nothing short of hijacking the forum at the expense of the loyal few who just want to talk football and gaelic games.


When we talk or debate sport we are all more or less on the same level no qualification required just common sense, opinion is not a qualification that requires degrees, doctorates, etc,etc,etc. when we talk about a virus or a pandemic without a qualification at the highest level of any sort it's simply talk nothing more nothing less no qualification no debate just opinion and chat, but try and get that message across to some and measure the time wasted in doing just that. There's an old saying, " A little knowledge is a dangerous thing".


As for hijacked thread, I'd say chatting about covid is more interesting than chatting about the game, which is a foregone conclusion : That's your opinion mo cara, but dont imply that it's everyone else's opinion.

Replying To essmac:  "Don't forget Thaildomide and Vioxx. Theres nothing wrong with questioning the supposed experts. So far the supposed experts have been wrong more than they have been right."]"Supposed experts". You're not "questioning", you're flat out denying. Do you have any credible and independent sources to corroborate your startling assertion that scientists are mostly wrong? It's a sign of a rational mind that can admit to being wrong. The problem I have with the anti vaccers is that, according to themselves, they are never wrong. The reality here is that, with the decline in organised religion, folks who like simple certainties and blind faith are latching onto conspiracy theories as a way to express what fundamentally is a religious instinct."]Where to start, well why not at the beginning.
1: According to the experts this versus was natural and not tampered with in the lab.
It was
2: This versus isn't transmittable human to human.
It is
3: No need to wear masks in fact they make the virus's worse
Now they want you to wear 2 masks
4: Asymptomatic spread is minor
Now they claim that 50% is caused by asymptotic people
5: The versus doesn't stay airborne for long
Now some are saying that it could stay in the air for a half an hour or more.
6: It doesn't really effect the young
Now they say it's rampant in the young but it could also be RSV.
There's more but these are some of the big ones.
What's baffling me is how did a thread on Kerry Tyrone dive big time into a debate over COVID-19. I know that Tyrone got smacked by the virus"]The fella said: "Theres nothing wrong with questioning the supposed experts. So far the supposed experts …"

His "supposed experts" jibe suggests someone who doesn't merely question experts, but who has contempt for them. Today, the general culture (especially post Trump and Johnson) is one of outright contempt for expertise - not questioning, outright contempt and cast-iron certainties based on very limited knowledge. None of those boyos out planning to attack vaccination centres, or any of those angry folks out protesting about vaccines and so-called "lockdowns" have any doubts whatsoever - they're 100% convinced they're 100% right about everything.

The essence of science and reason is doubt, and making mistakes, and adding to your knowledge. Of course we know more about covid now than we did a year ago. I got covid pretty bad. I've read numerous peer-reviewed scientific papers on it, and am starting to understand it, a bit.

Re Wuhan, there is no reliable scientific consensus, since the Chinese are refusing to allow a proper investigation to be carried out. All we have is speculation, based on incomplete evidence. The key movers in that are politicians, and we know what they're like.

Not sure where you saw that covid wasn't transmittable human to human - I've never seen that stated in any credible source. In fact, based on what I had read in April 2020, I bought myself a personal air purifier from Switzerland, as all the evidence pointed even then to aerosol transmission, and, interestingly, that sneeze and cough droplets were less harmful than aerosol from normal speech - the large droplets settle quicker, whereas the smaller ones can linger for a couple of hours.

Masks? Again, depends on what your sources are, but I've been using FFP3 masks for over a year. Other masks are designed to protect people around you, but only an FFP3 mask protects the wearer, not entirely, but to a reasonable extent. Again, I have no seen any credible sources denying the efficacy of masks. The overwhelming consensus has been that masks are useful against an airborne disease. It'd be bizarre to suggest otherwise. Admittedly, N95 (US standard) and FFP3 (UK standard) only capture down to 99% of all particles that are 0.3 microns in diameter or larger. This means they should be ineffective against coronavirus; however they seem to have some value, nonetheless. Google: "Can Masks Capture Coronavirus Particles?"

Asymptomatic spread was indeed minor for earlier covid variants; but not for the recent delta variant which, based on initial observations, seems almost as infectious, regardless. That's not an instance of scientists being wrong; just an instance of rational people altering their conclusions when the underlying evidence changes. You won't find many of the right wing conspiracy boys ever altering their position on anything.

Airborne - no, you perhaps have not been reading credible sources - it's old news that it could stay airborne for hours, depending on whether sneeze droplets or aerosol from normal speech - old news a year ago; that's why I spent money I didn't have on a superfine particle Swiss desk air filter; and it's why I'm now installing an upgraded air exchanger / heat recovery system in the house I'm building. I didn't do either of those on a whim; the weight of evidence was very clear. I'm afraid if you base your position on what you read in 90% of newspapers or on social media, you'll be lead badly astray, as most of them are "post-facts" and are too lazy and sensationalist to study anything dispassionately. People in the social media age prefer lurid headlines and instant controversy, and feeling self righteous; instead of boring analysis.

It can affect young people - so far, the evidence suggests that it doesn't affect as many young people badly, but of course it can affect young people.

As for hijacked thread, I'd say chatting about covid is more interesting than chatting about the game, which is a foregone conclusion : ) If Kerry wanted to make a game of this, we'd have to get a 6 goal start and, ideally, get a loan of Clifford … what a player. I have a real concern the game won't be worth watching."]I don't think that too many covid hypers have done much analysis, most of them were only too happy to lap up the diet of fear being fed to them this past 18 months, never questioning how the data was compiled or how the official numbers were reached.
Not every one who has questioned our response to this has been right wing either, as you bizarrely seem to believe. In fact questioning extreme government control over the population has traditionally been a left wing endeavour,or at least it was, until left wing progressives got themselves into power.
Good luck with your brand new air exchanger system that'll help protect you from covid,, it'll go well with what I assume is a rigidly controlled, expert endorsed diet that will also help to maintain good health...

Replying To essmac:  "Don't forget Thaildomide and Vioxx. Theres nothing wrong with questioning the supposed experts. So far the supposed experts have been wrong more than they have been right."]"Supposed experts". You're not "questioning", you're flat out denying. Do you have any credible and independent sources to corroborate your startling assertion that scientists are mostly wrong? It's a sign of a rational mind that can admit to being wrong. The problem I have with the anti vaccers is that, according to themselves, they are never wrong. The reality here is that, with the decline in organised religion, folks who like simple certainties and blind faith are latching onto conspiracy theories as a way to express what fundamentally is a religious instinct."]Where to start, well why not at the beginning.
1: According to the experts this versus was natural and not tampered with in the lab.
It was
2: This versus isn't transmittable human to human.
It is
3: No need to wear masks in fact they make the virus's worse
Now they want you to wear 2 masks
4: Asymptomatic spread is minor
Now they claim that 50% is caused by asymptotic people
5: The versus doesn't stay airborne for long
Now some are saying that it could stay in the air for a half an hour or more.
6: It doesn't really effect the young
Now they say it's rampant in the young but it could also be RSV.
There's more but these are some of the big ones.
What's baffling me is how did a thread on Kerry Tyrone dive big time into a debate over COVID-19. I know that Tyrone got smacked by the virus"]The fella said: "Theres nothing wrong with questioning the supposed experts. So far the supposed experts …"

His "supposed experts" jibe suggests someone who doesn't merely question experts, but who has contempt for them. Today, the general culture (especially post Trump and Johnson) is one of outright contempt for expertise - not questioning, outright contempt and cast-iron certainties based on very limited knowledge. None of those boyos out planning to attack vaccination centres, or any of those angry folks out protesting about vaccines and so-called "lockdowns" have any doubts whatsoever - they're 100% convinced they're 100% right about everything.

The essence of science and reason is doubt, and making mistakes, and adding to your knowledge. Of course we know more about covid now than we did a year ago. I got covid pretty bad. I've read numerous peer-reviewed scientific papers on it, and am starting to understand it, a bit.

Re Wuhan, there is no reliable scientific consensus, since the Chinese are refusing to allow a proper investigation to be carried out. All we have is speculation, based on incomplete evidence. The key movers in that are politicians, and we know what they're like.

Not sure where you saw that covid wasn't transmittable human to human - I've never seen that stated in any credible source. In fact, based on what I had read in April 2020, I bought myself a personal air purifier from Switzerland, as all the evidence pointed even then to aerosol transmission, and, interestingly, that sneeze and cough droplets were less harmful than aerosol from normal speech - the large droplets settle quicker, whereas the smaller ones can linger for a couple of hours.

Masks? Again, depends on what your sources are, but I've been using FFP3 masks for over a year. Other masks are designed to protect people around you, but only an FFP3 mask protects the wearer, not entirely, but to a reasonable extent. Again, I have no seen any credible sources denying the efficacy of masks. The overwhelming consensus has been that masks are useful against an airborne disease. It'd be bizarre to suggest otherwise. Admittedly, N95 (US standard) and FFP3 (UK standard) only capture down to 99% of all particles that are 0.3 microns in diameter or larger. This means they should be ineffective against coronavirus; however they seem to have some value, nonetheless. Google: "Can Masks Capture Coronavirus Particles?"

Asymptomatic spread was indeed minor for earlier covid variants; but not for the recent delta variant which, based on initial observations, seems almost as infectious, regardless. That's not an instance of scientists being wrong; just an instance of rational people altering their conclusions when the underlying evidence changes. You won't find many of the right wing conspiracy boys ever altering their position on anything.

Airborne - no, you perhaps have not been reading credible sources - it's old news that it could stay airborne for hours, depending on whether sneeze droplets or aerosol from normal speech - old news a year ago; that's why I spent money I didn't have on a superfine particle Swiss desk air filter; and it's why I'm now installing an upgraded air exchanger / heat recovery system in the house I'm building. I didn't do either of those on a whim; the weight of evidence was very clear. I'm afraid if you base your position on what you read in 90% of newspapers or on social media, you'll be lead badly astray, as most of them are "post-facts" and are too lazy and sensationalist to study anything dispassionately. People in the social media age prefer lurid headlines and instant controversy, and feeling self righteous; instead of boring analysis.

It can affect young people - so far, the evidence suggests that it doesn't affect as many young people badly, but of course it can affect young people.

As for hijacked thread, I'd say chatting about covid is more interesting than chatting about the game, which is a foregone conclusion : ) If Kerry wanted to make a game of this, we'd have to get a 6 goal start and, ideally, get a loan of Clifford … what a player. I have a real concern the game won't be worth watching."]great post!!

Replying To Galway9801:  "Google Tracy Brennan ear infection"

Replying To essmac:  "Don't forget Thaildomide and Vioxx. Theres nothing wrong with questioning the supposed experts. So far the supposed experts have been wrong more than they have been right."]"Supposed experts". You're not "questioning", you're flat out denying. Do you have any credible and independent sources to corroborate your startling assertion that scientists are mostly wrong? It's a sign of a rational mind that can admit to being wrong. The problem I have with the anti vaccers is that, according to themselves, they are never wrong. The reality here is that, with the decline in organised religion, folks who like simple certainties and blind faith are latching onto conspiracy theories as a way to express what fundamentally is a religious instinct."]Where to start, well why not at the beginning.
1: According to the experts this versus was natural and not tampered with in the lab.
It was
2: This versus isn't transmittable human to human.
It is
3: No need to wear masks in fact they make the virus's worse
Now they want you to wear 2 masks
4: Asymptomatic spread is minor
Now they claim that 50% is caused by asymptotic people
5: The versus doesn't stay airborne for long
Now some are saying that it could stay in the air for a half an hour or more.
6: It doesn't really effect the young
Now they say it's rampant in the young but it could also be RSV.
There's more but these are some of the big ones.
What's baffling me is how did a thread on Kerry Tyrone dive big time into a debate over COVID-19. I know that Tyrone got smacked by the virus"]The fella said: "Theres nothing wrong with questioning the supposed experts. So far the supposed experts …"

His "supposed experts" jibe suggests someone who doesn't merely question experts, but who has contempt for them. Today, the general culture (especially post Trump and Johnson) is one of outright contempt for expertise - not questioning, outright contempt and cast-iron certainties based on very limited knowledge. None of those boyos out planning to attack vaccination centres, or any of those angry folks out protesting about vaccines and so-called "lockdowns" have any doubts whatsoever - they're 100% convinced they're 100% right about everything.

The essence of science and reason is doubt, and making mistakes, and adding to your knowledge. Of course we know more about covid now than we did a year ago. I got covid pretty bad. I've read numerous peer-reviewed scientific papers on it, and am starting to understand it, a bit.

Re Wuhan, there is no reliable scientific consensus, since the Chinese are refusing to allow a proper investigation to be carried out. All we have is speculation, based on incomplete evidence. The key movers in that are politicians, and we know what they're like.

Not sure where you saw that covid wasn't transmittable human to human - I've never seen that stated in any credible source. In fact, based on what I had read in April 2020, I bought myself a personal air purifier from Switzerland, as all the evidence pointed even then to aerosol transmission, and, interestingly, that sneeze and cough droplets were less harmful than aerosol from normal speech - the large droplets settle quicker, whereas the smaller ones can linger for a couple of hours.

Masks? Again, depends on what your sources are, but I've been using FFP3 masks for over a year. Other masks are designed to protect people around you, but only an FFP3 mask protects the wearer, not entirely, but to a reasonable extent. Again, I have no seen any credible sources denying the efficacy of masks. The overwhelming consensus has been that masks are useful against an airborne disease. It'd be bizarre to suggest otherwise. Admittedly, N95 (US standard) and FFP3 (UK standard) only capture down to 99% of all particles that are 0.3 microns in diameter or larger. This means they should be ineffective against coronavirus; however they seem to have some value, nonetheless. Google: "Can Masks Capture Coronavirus Particles?"

Asymptomatic spread was indeed minor for earlier covid variants; but not for the recent delta variant which, based on initial observations, seems almost as infectious, regardless. That's not an instance of scientists being wrong; just an instance of rational people altering their conclusions when the underlying evidence changes. You won't find many of the right wing conspiracy boys ever altering their position on anything.

Airborne - no, you perhaps have not been reading credible sources - it's old news that it could stay airborne for hours, depending on whether sneeze droplets or aerosol from normal speech - old news a year ago; that's why I spent money I didn't have on a superfine particle Swiss desk air filter; and it's why I'm now installing an upgraded air exchanger / heat recovery system in the house I'm building. I didn't do either of those on a whim; the weight of evidence was very clear. I'm afraid if you base your position on what you read in 90% of newspapers or on social media, you'll be lead badly astray, as most of them are "post-facts" and are too lazy and sensationalist to study anything dispassionately. People in the social media age prefer lurid headlines and instant controversy, and feeling self righteous; instead of boring analysis.

It can affect young people - so far, the evidence suggests that it doesn't affect as many young people badly, but of course it can affect young people.

As for hijacked thread, I'd say chatting about covid is more interesting than chatting about the game, which is a foregone conclusion : ) If Kerry wanted to make a game of this, we'd have to get a 6 goal start and, ideally, get a loan of Clifford … what a player. I have a real concern the game won't be worth watching."]6 goal start and get a loan of Clifford, are you for real, are you having a laugh.

Replying To Ronan1989:  "Wow, Kerry are sooo overrated!

Tyrone should beat Mayo easily enough i'd say"

Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "I bet Kerry are regretting agreeing to the postponement now. Great stuff from the neighbours."

Replying To realdub:  "Well Well Well, just heroic from Tyrone, Kerry had me fooled as did Tyrone. Congrats and hard luck Kerry."

Replying To AfricanGael:  "This game is perfect for a Tyrone ambush, it'll bring out their inner Ulster suffocation tactics.

Only a fool would write off Tyrone's chances here.

They could go on and win the All-Ireland yet never mind just beat Kerry.

That's the beauty of sport."