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My brother is a doctor in one of the main hospitals in London. His wife is a nurse. I value their opinion more than anyone else on this. Are the Vaccines perfect? No. Do they for the majority prevent severe illness? Yes.

When 99 per cent of doctors think getting a Vaccine is a good idea, it probably is. We shouldn't give airtime to anti-vaxxers. They tend to live in a strange world where they think it's all a big play by big pharma and everyone has been conned.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8215 - 26/08/2021 08:06:47    2374839

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Replying To border Gael:  "I tried that yesterday but all went downhill again between a few posters. If this thread is about the match then that's what we should be talking about on it. Not other irrelevant stuff. Let's stick to the football match itself."
Build up will start when teams are announced this evening, closes it gets the bigger chance I give Tyrone. Live in hope. Looking forward to forwards having a good game. If Tyrone can score two goals there're in with a life.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2186 - 26/08/2021 10:42:16    2374877

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Replying To avonali:  "mhuinicean, there is no way they could be back to full fitness. They will have missed at least 2 weeks of full squad sessions. Most people I know who have had Covid are not right for up to a month or so after. They may feel ok in training and generally but once they are taken near their limits in a match they'll feel the after effects.
I don't think any team could be ready for such a test after an outbreak like that.
I just can't see past a Kerry win by 5 pts or more."
It's hard to try predict a result without breaking down this narrative.
Tyrone had 3 tough games in the league before going on a jolly to Kilarney in the league final, they then had a very competitive Ulster campaign. So until Covid hit they were probably the most hardened team left in the Championship
The narrative that the team is decimated fitness wise does not wash with me. In the absence of any meaningful information from Tyrone CB, we have to go with what we know about Covid factually. 80% of Covid victims are asymptomatic or suffer a very mild illness, this figure is even higher in the 20 to 30 age cohort. We all know it hit a couple of the key players hard and your point about a month's recovery is valid for those. However the rest of the squad would only be affected by the isolation and restrictions imposed (ahem).
Mc Shane and Mc Kenna have had a further two weeks to integrate into the new set up, added to that the extra two weeks recovery time for those directly affected , I think they will be good to go. That's just my view in the absence of anything meaningful coming from Tyrone.
This match will come down to the sum of Tyrone's parts versus Kerry's individual talent as I don't think Kerry are there yet with the lack of tough games that Tyrone had. and they need the game to beat Mayo in any event.
If Tyrone get the match ups right and curtail the Kerry forwards of course they have a chance, they have a very young midfield though and the kick out battle will be crucial, but there again Tyrone have Morgan to help in this regard.
Its not often a team loses a semi final by the handicap of 7 as the bookies have it, Kerry rightly favourites on form but they would need to box clever
Sin uile atá le rá agam faoi sin

mhunicean_abu (Monaghan) - Posts: 1057 - 26/08/2021 12:11:30    2374909

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Replying To Saynothing:  "Build up will start when teams are announced this evening, closes it gets the bigger chance I give Tyrone. Live in hope. Looking forward to forwards having a good game. If Tyrone can score two goals there're in with a life."
Will they announce the teams. It seems that it's often moreso the case that we don't see them until the day of these days.

HokeyPokey (Tyrone) - Posts: 1744 - 26/08/2021 12:30:51    2374921

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Replying To Saynothing:  "Build up will start when teams are announced this evening, closes it gets the bigger chance I give Tyrone. Live in hope. Looking forward to forwards having a good game. If Tyrone can score two goals there're in with a life."
I'm not sure what to make of Logan's comments. I suspect it could just be him trying to put the flak on himself rather than players that have vaccine hesitancy. He's not stupid, but I think he would have been best to say that it was a personal matter for each player and not something he would discuss.

In my opinion, it was clearly the wrong decision if a multitude of players decided against getting vaccinated or at least delayed getting it. However, I think all this commentary as if Tyrone have conspired the whole situation is ridiculous. Yes, it's difficult for Kerry, but it's not as if Tyrone are gaining an advantage by having the Covid outbreak. Preparations would obviously have been massively affected. Some of the players could have been badly affected or others not at 100%. One of Tyrone's key men is rumoured to have lost a stone or more, which I hope isn't true as it would be a massive dent in our chances.

I feel like so much of the build up has been interesting. Everyone's talking about Kerry and completely writing Tyrone off. I recognise Kerry are favourites definitely, but you'd swear Kerry were playing Cavan or someone from the way they are going on. Kerry dropped out to Cork last year and Tyrone should have beaten them in 2019. I think Tyrone are or were in much better form coming into this game than they were in 2019, add in McKenna, Canavan, a rejuvenated Sludden, McCann, Hampsey, McGeary, and McCurry and an actually decent mid field for once, albeit 2019 McShane has yet to manifest. I know there's the matter of the league game, but Tyrone had not had hardly any training got in before the league and the long journey down etc.

Still think Kerry are favourites, but it is well set up for a big upset (potentially).

HokeyPokey (Tyrone) - Posts: 1744 - 26/08/2021 12:31:16    2374922

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HokeyPokey (Tyrone), it's a pity you didn't read and understand what I wrote before jumping the gun and making straw man arguments.

NOWHERE in my post did I say Ireland was an outlier because there was a low uptake on vaccination, nowhere, but as it turns out perhaps I should have when referring to Tyrone.

And while the ROI has 66.3% recorded as being fully vaccinated, which is good, Denmark, Spain, Portugal, and Belgium are all higher so the ROI is by no means an outlier when it comes to uptake as you wrongly claim.

I'll tell you where the outlier is when comparing to the above though, it's Northern Ireland at 60.9 %, so all you have done here is inadvertently shoot yourself in the foot, because before you go comparing Poland and what you witnessed at an airport in France to what's happening in the ROI have a look at your own wee province first.

So my point is actually completely opposite to what you think it is, because if people think even if they get vaccinated they can still get covid and this gives them the impression that the vaccine really hasn't made any difference at all, then when will things ever open up fully.

When I say "people" I am including some of the policy makers in Ireland as well because if you look at what they are doing right now regarding the All-Ireland final for example it's completely ludicrous, because what message are they sending to people who did get vaccinated.

Because even if you do happen to get covid and you are fully vaccinated, not alone are you more unlikely to become seriously ill, you are less likely to infect someone else.

"Getting vaccinated may also protect people around you, because if you are protected from getting infected from the disease, you are less likely to infect someone else" (WHO)

Right now technically we could have 40,000 unvaccinated people attend the final without breaking any law but yet you can't enter a pub for a beer unless you can prove you have been fully vaccinated, to me that's ludicrous.

So that means that tens of thousands of fully vaccinated people will be prevented from even having the opportunity of attending the All-Ireland final but yet "technically" 40,000 unvaccinated could attend.

Are you starting to see my point about being an outlier now, because if fully vaccinated people are being prevented from attending an event that an unvaccinated person can, then yes as I said Ireland is an outlier.

But it's not just me who is saying Ireland is an outlier and it's not just me who is saying Northern Ireland is an outlier as well when it comes to vaccination uptake:

"Ireland is now an outlier in the restrictions it places on entertainment"- Irish Times June 2021.

"Stubbornness' the culprit in NI's vaccination outlier status" - Irish Times June 2021.

"'Ulster thranness' blamed for North's vaccination outlier status" - Irish Times - August 2021.

What's disturbing about the outbreak in the Tyrone squad is that there seems to have been a policy to discourage players from getting vaccinated because in a recent interview which was published Fergal Logan said:

"In fairness, part of the consideration this year was because it was a compressed league and Championship, we were anxious that if guys were vaccinated they might go under for two weeks. And that might inhibit their performance.

Vaccination has been a conundrum. We didn't make it mandatory across the board. There are some players vaccinated for a variety of reasons, be they on the front line, or work in health"

Source: https://www.balls.ie/gaa/feargal-logan-covid-comments-480753

So this sheds a completely different light on the Tyrone situation, and while Viking66 is not incorrect to say "the vaccine wouldn't have stopped any of them getting covid" I think it certainly would have prevented the significant outbreak which we have seen and it is highly unlikely a player would have ended up in hospital.

So what has actually happened here is that the decision made within the Tyrone camp regarding vaccination has completely backfired on them and the blame should lay fully at their door.

We were all quick to attack the GAA regarding the refusal to initially give Tyrone the two week postponement, in fact on August 11th I wrote:

"I think Tyrone have the GAA over a barrel here and if they play their cards right this game will be rescheduled for a second time"

And they did play their cards right because a few days later they said they were pulling out of the championship and the game was rescheduled for a second time.

In hindsight should Tyrone have been honest and say that it was their own fault and either put out a weakened team v Kerry or propose that Monaghan take their place.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 26/08/2021 12:55:37    2374935

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Replying To mhunicean_abu:  "It's hard to try predict a result without breaking down this narrative.
Tyrone had 3 tough games in the league before going on a jolly to Kilarney in the league final, they then had a very competitive Ulster campaign. So until Covid hit they were probably the most hardened team left in the Championship
The narrative that the team is decimated fitness wise does not wash with me. In the absence of any meaningful information from Tyrone CB, we have to go with what we know about Covid factually. 80% of Covid victims are asymptomatic or suffer a very mild illness, this figure is even higher in the 20 to 30 age cohort. We all know it hit a couple of the key players hard and your point about a month's recovery is valid for those. However the rest of the squad would only be affected by the isolation and restrictions imposed (ahem).
Mc Shane and Mc Kenna have had a further two weeks to integrate into the new set up, added to that the extra two weeks recovery time for those directly affected , I think they will be good to go. That's just my view in the absence of anything meaningful coming from Tyrone.
This match will come down to the sum of Tyrone's parts versus Kerry's individual talent as I don't think Kerry are there yet with the lack of tough games that Tyrone had. and they need the game to beat Mayo in any event.
If Tyrone get the match ups right and curtail the Kerry forwards of course they have a chance, they have a very young midfield though and the kick out battle will be crucial, but there again Tyrone have Morgan to help in this regard.
Its not often a team loses a semi final by the handicap of 7 as the bookies have it, Kerry rightly favourites on form but they would need to box clever
Sin uile atá le rá agam faoi sin"
You make valid points there about the affects. However most of the information which circulates is general and most average people aren't highly conditioned to run at full pelt for 70 minutes. Covid is a respiratory illness, and there have been cases where asymptomatic athletes have reported shortness of breath and limited energy. Now how prevalent that is, I don't know. If say 7 starting players wane 10 minutes earlier than normal, that's a big conundrum for Tyrone.

HokeyPokey (Tyrone) - Posts: 1744 - 26/08/2021 13:52:41    2374965

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "
Replying To cluichethar:  "[quote=essmac:  "[quote=cluichethar:  "[quote=Galway9801:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "I'd trust the medical profession and science before I'd trust some wacko on Facebook or TikTok, but you go your own way."
Are these the same medical professionals who encouraged youngsters to take the Janssen vaccine yes?"
Don't forget Thaildomide and Vioxx. Theres nothing wrong with questioning the supposed experts. So far the supposed experts have been wrong more than they have been right."]"Supposed experts". You're not "questioning", you're flat out denying. Do you have any credible and independent sources to corroborate your startling assertion that scientists are mostly wrong? It's a sign of a rational mind that can admit to being wrong. The problem I have with the anti vaccers is that, according to themselves, they are never wrong. The reality here is that, with the decline in organised religion, folks who like simple certainties and blind faith are latching onto conspiracy theories as a way to express what fundamentally is a religious instinct."]Where to start, well why not at the beginning.
1: According to the experts this versus was natural and not tampered with in the lab.
It was
2: This versus isn't transmittable human to human.
It is
3: No need to wear masks in fact they make the virus's worse
Now they want you to wear 2 masks
4: Asymptomatic spread is minor
Now they claim that 50% is caused by asymptotic people
5: The versus doesn't stay airborne for long
Now some are saying that it could stay in the air for a half an hour or more.
6: It doesn't really effect the young
Now they say it's rampant in the young but it could also be RSV.
There's more but these are some of the big ones.
What's baffling me is how did a thread on Kerry Tyrone dive big time into a debate over COVID-19. I know that Tyrone got smacked by the virus"]What's this 'versus' you are talking about?"]Small screen big thumbs

cluichethar (Mayo) - Posts: 480 - 26/08/2021 18:00:02    2375039

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "HokeyPokey (Tyrone), it's a pity you didn't read and understand what I wrote before jumping the gun and making straw man arguments.

NOWHERE in my post did I say Ireland was an outlier because there was a low uptake on vaccination, nowhere, but as it turns out perhaps I should have when referring to Tyrone.

And while the ROI has 66.3% recorded as being fully vaccinated, which is good, Denmark, Spain, Portugal, and Belgium are all higher so the ROI is by no means an outlier when it comes to uptake as you wrongly claim.

I'll tell you where the outlier is when comparing to the above though, it's Northern Ireland at 60.9 %, so all you have done here is inadvertently shoot yourself in the foot, because before you go comparing Poland and what you witnessed at an airport in France to what's happening in the ROI have a look at your own wee province first.

So my point is actually completely opposite to what you think it is, because if people think even if they get vaccinated they can still get covid and this gives them the impression that the vaccine really hasn't made any difference at all, then when will things ever open up fully.

When I say "people" I am including some of the policy makers in Ireland as well because if you look at what they are doing right now regarding the All-Ireland final for example it's completely ludicrous, because what message are they sending to people who did get vaccinated.

Because even if you do happen to get covid and you are fully vaccinated, not alone are you more unlikely to become seriously ill, you are less likely to infect someone else.

"Getting vaccinated may also protect people around you, because if you are protected from getting infected from the disease, you are less likely to infect someone else" (WHO)

Right now technically we could have 40,000 unvaccinated people attend the final without breaking any law but yet you can't enter a pub for a beer unless you can prove you have been fully vaccinated, to me that's ludicrous.

So that means that tens of thousands of fully vaccinated people will be prevented from even having the opportunity of attending the All-Ireland final but yet "technically" 40,000 unvaccinated could attend.

Are you starting to see my point about being an outlier now, because if fully vaccinated people are being prevented from attending an event that an unvaccinated person can, then yes as I said Ireland is an outlier.

But it's not just me who is saying Ireland is an outlier and it's not just me who is saying Northern Ireland is an outlier as well when it comes to vaccination uptake:

"Ireland is now an outlier in the restrictions it places on entertainment"- Irish Times June 2021.

"Stubbornness' the culprit in NI's vaccination outlier status" - Irish Times June 2021.

"'Ulster thranness' blamed for North's vaccination outlier status" - Irish Times - August 2021.

What's disturbing about the outbreak in the Tyrone squad is that there seems to have been a policy to discourage players from getting vaccinated because in a recent interview which was published Fergal Logan said:

"In fairness, part of the consideration this year was because it was a compressed league and Championship, we were anxious that if guys were vaccinated they might go under for two weeks. And that might inhibit their performance.

Vaccination has been a conundrum. We didn't make it mandatory across the board. There are some players vaccinated for a variety of reasons, be they on the front line, or work in health"

Source: https://www.balls.ie/gaa/feargal-logan-covid-comments-480753

So this sheds a completely different light on the Tyrone situation, and while Viking66 is not incorrect to say "the vaccine wouldn't have stopped any of them getting covid" I think it certainly would have prevented the significant outbreak which we have seen and it is highly unlikely a player would have ended up in hospital.

So what has actually happened here is that the decision made within the Tyrone camp regarding vaccination has completely backfired on them and the blame should lay fully at their door.

We were all quick to attack the GAA regarding the refusal to initially give Tyrone the two week postponement, in fact on August 11th I wrote:

"I think Tyrone have the GAA over a barrel here and if they play their cards right this game will be rescheduled for a second time"

And they did play their cards right because a few days later they said they were pulling out of the championship and the game was rescheduled for a second time.

In hindsight should Tyrone have been honest and say that it was their own fault and either put out a weakened team v Kerry or propose that Monaghan take their place."
I was glad to see Tyrone get the opportunity to fulfill this fixture. Having now read Logan's interview I feel a bit like a fool. Maybe he just phrased his answer poorly but it really doesn't read well and if it's true it's very, very disappointing.

HighKings (Meath) - Posts: 271 - 26/08/2021 19:14:39    2375053

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So Marc O Se comes out today in an interview and talks about Brian Dooher pinching him in the 2003 semi final. So why does he do this two days before the game in Saturday?
It's quite simple and a standard Kerry ploy where ex players make a series of comments about the opposition designed to influence weak referees. Kerry now see an opportunity with a weak referee in place for Saturday to remind him of the alleged dark arts of the opposition. And they know it will be worth one or two big calls to them on the day.

mayotyroneman (Tyrone) - Posts: 1821 - 26/08/2021 20:09:36    2375063

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In 2008 Tyrone left Monaghan Town centre on a damp Friday evening to play Dublin in croke Park the following day. It was All Ireland Quarter finals I think. Dublin were about to give them the mother of all hidings or so the media, sports analysts etc predicted. Dooher and a good few others came out of Hotel with big grins on their faces. A few of us thought ...yous won't have that grin on yous this time tomorrow evening...but how wrong were we...the hammered Dublin. I wouldn't write them off for Saturday just yet.

border Gael (Monaghan) - Posts: 906 - 26/08/2021 20:29:45    2375064

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It would be great to see Tyrone win. I dont think Kerry backs have faced a serious test yet and there are some questions around their full back line. However it is hard to see Tyrone scoring the 20+ points likely needed to win. Hopefully a good game either way.

bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4645 - 26/08/2021 21:05:10    2375081

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Replying To HokeyPokey:  "You make valid points there about the affects. However most of the information which circulates is general and most average people aren't highly conditioned to run at full pelt for 70 minutes. Covid is a respiratory illness, and there have been cases where asymptomatic athletes have reported shortness of breath and limited energy. Now how prevalent that is, I don't know. If say 7 starting players wane 10 minutes earlier than normal, that's a big conundrum for Tyrone."
Exactly. Lot of people who weren't ill with covid assuming it's like a flu, weak for a few days and then OK. It's not like that at all; and youth does not necessarily make you immune. Google Neil Etheridge Covid.

essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 1141 - 26/08/2021 21:17:04    2375086

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Replying To mayotyroneman:  "So Marc O Se comes out today in an interview and talks about Brian Dooher pinching him in the 2003 semi final. So why does he do this two days before the game in Saturday?
It's quite simple and a standard Kerry ploy where ex players make a series of comments about the opposition designed to influence weak referees. Kerry now see an opportunity with a weak referee in place for Saturday to remind him of the alleged dark arts of the opposition. And they know it will be worth one or two big calls to them on the day."
Funny I only remember Dooher going to the ground clutching his face whenever anyone so much as laid a finger on him.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1942 - 26/08/2021 21:19:11    2375088

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Replying To Galway9801:  "Funny I only remember Dooher going to the ground clutching his face whenever anyone so much as laid a finger on him."
You clearly remember what you choose to remember then. He scored one of the best points seen in an AI final after shaking off 2 full blooded hits in 08.

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2513 - 26/08/2021 21:37:36    2375090

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Replying To cluichethar:  "
Replying To essmac:  "[quote=cluichethar:  "[quote=Galway9801:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "I'd trust the medical profession and science before I'd trust some wacko on Facebook or TikTok, but you go your own way."
Are these the same medical professionals who encouraged youngsters to take the Janssen vaccine yes?"
Don't forget Thaildomide and Vioxx. Theres nothing wrong with questioning the supposed experts. So far the supposed experts have been wrong more than they have been right."]"Supposed experts". You're not "questioning", you're flat out denying. Do you have any credible and independent sources to corroborate your startling assertion that scientists are mostly wrong? It's a sign of a rational mind that can admit to being wrong. The problem I have with the anti vaccers is that, according to themselves, they are never wrong. The reality here is that, with the decline in organised religion, folks who like simple certainties and blind faith are latching onto conspiracy theories as a way to express what fundamentally is a religious instinct."]Where to start, well why not at the beginning.
1: According to the experts this versus was natural and not tampered with in the lab.
It was
2: This versus isn't transmittable human to human.
It is
3: No need to wear masks in fact they make the virus's worse
Now they want you to wear 2 masks
4: Asymptomatic spread is minor
Now they claim that 50% is caused by asymptotic people
5: The versus doesn't stay airborne for long
Now some are saying that it could stay in the air for a half an hour or more.
6: It doesn't really effect the young
Now they say it's rampant in the young but it could also be RSV.
There's more but these are some of the big ones.
What's baffling me is how did a thread on Kerry Tyrone dive big time into a debate over COVID-19. I know that Tyrone got smacked by the virus"]The fella said: "Theres nothing wrong with questioning the supposed experts. So far the supposed experts …"

His "supposed experts" jibe suggests someone who doesn't merely question experts, but who has contempt for them. Today, the general culture (especially post Trump and Johnson) is one of outright contempt for expertise - not questioning, outright contempt and cast-iron certainties based on very limited knowledge. None of those boyos out planning to attack vaccination centres, or any of those angry folks out protesting about vaccines and so-called "lockdowns" have any doubts whatsoever - they're 100% convinced they're 100% right about everything.

The essence of science and reason is doubt, and making mistakes, and adding to your knowledge. Of course we know more about covid now than we did a year ago. I got covid pretty bad. I've read numerous peer-reviewed scientific papers on it, and am starting to understand it, a bit.

Re Wuhan, there is no reliable scientific consensus, since the Chinese are refusing to allow a proper investigation to be carried out. All we have is speculation, based on incomplete evidence. The key movers in that are politicians, and we know what they're like.

Not sure where you saw that covid wasn't transmittable human to human - I've never seen that stated in any credible source. In fact, based on what I had read in April 2020, I bought myself a personal air purifier from Switzerland, as all the evidence pointed even then to aerosol transmission, and, interestingly, that sneeze and cough droplets were less harmful than aerosol from normal speech - the large droplets settle quicker, whereas the smaller ones can linger for a couple of hours.

Masks? Again, depends on what your sources are, but I've been using FFP3 masks for over a year. Other masks are designed to protect people around you, but only an FFP3 mask protects the wearer, not entirely, but to a reasonable extent. Again, I have no seen any credible sources denying the efficacy of masks. The overwhelming consensus has been that masks are useful against an airborne disease. It'd be bizarre to suggest otherwise. Admittedly, N95 (US standard) and FFP3 (UK standard) only capture down to 99% of all particles that are 0.3 microns in diameter or larger. This means they should be ineffective against coronavirus; however they seem to have some value, nonetheless. Google: "Can Masks Capture Coronavirus Particles?"

Asymptomatic spread was indeed minor for earlier covid variants; but not for the recent delta variant which, based on initial observations, seems almost as infectious, regardless. That's not an instance of scientists being wrong; just an instance of rational people altering their conclusions when the underlying evidence changes. You won't find many of the right wing conspiracy boys ever altering their position on anything.

Airborne - no, you perhaps have not been reading credible sources - it's old news that it could stay airborne for hours, depending on whether sneeze droplets or aerosol from normal speech - old news a year ago; that's why I spent money I didn't have on a superfine particle Swiss desk air filter; and it's why I'm now installing an upgraded air exchanger / heat recovery system in the house I'm building. I didn't do either of those on a whim; the weight of evidence was very clear. I'm afraid if you base your position on what you read in 90% of newspapers or on social media, you'll be lead badly astray, as most of them are "post-facts" and are too lazy and sensationalist to study anything dispassionately. People in the social media age prefer lurid headlines and instant controversy, and feeling self righteous; instead of boring analysis.

It can affect young people - so far, the evidence suggests that it doesn't affect as many young people badly, but of course it can affect young people.

As for hijacked thread, I'd say chatting about covid is more interesting than chatting about the game, which is a foregone conclusion : ) If Kerry wanted to make a game of this, we'd have to get a 6 goal start and, ideally, get a loan of Clifford … what a player. I have a real concern the game won't be worth watching.

essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 1141 - 26/08/2021 22:04:41    2375094

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Replying To Galway9801:  "Funny I only remember Dooher going to the ground clutching his face whenever anyone so much as laid a finger on him."
You have a bad memory then. Dooher was one of the toughest players there was. Still remember him bleeding from the head with a bandage on it and still playing on

TYE08 (Tyrone) - Posts: 93 - 26/08/2021 22:18:55    2375103

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Replying To essmac:  "Exactly. Lot of people who weren't ill with covid assuming it's like a flu, weak for a few days and then OK. It's not like that at all; and youth does not necessarily make you immune. Google Neil Etheridge Covid."
Google Tracy Brennan ear infection

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1942 - 26/08/2021 22:20:17    2375104

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This will be sweet Saturday.

kerry4sam21 (Kerry) - Posts: 103 - 26/08/2021 22:26:54    2375105

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My point here is not football related! Only idiots refuse to get vaccinated and unfortunately in 6 counties of our country we have politics playing games when the 32 counties of our country should have the same policy controlling the virus. On the issue of the match-what is said and printed in text means little as most stories are 80% are non-factual.

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 26/08/2021 22:48:11    2375110

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