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waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 22/07/2021 18:01:53 2362934 Link 1 |
Judging by the scoreline, that Waterford team would need a hell of a lot more than a structure change 97Cavans (Cavan) - Posts: 323 - 22/07/2021 18:55:37 2362948 Link 0 |
John Connellan seems to think so on twitter.
lilylanger (Kildare) - Posts: 758 - 22/07/2021 18:59:15 2362949 Link 0 |
Plenty of eyelids blinked. If anything no one batted an eyelid at that result last night.
oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1380 - 22/07/2021 19:10:04 2362952 Link 0 |
so very true on reflection...
Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 1034 - 22/07/2021 19:25:55 2362960 Link 0 |
Is Mike Ashley Cork'a new Messiah? TippRed (Tipperary) - Posts: 42 - 22/07/2021 20:30:37 2362980 Link 0 |
Its unfortunate that a group of young kids have this happen to them but it did. Waterford have produced good footballers in the past and will in the future. We have never turned our back on football and an examination of resources and money applied is relative compared to hurling. The hurling team is hurling longer most seasons and that is where you see the difference in expenditures. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2665 - 22/07/2021 20:48:09 2362985 Link 0 |
It does nothing but reduce the chances of youngsters staying involved. Underage mind is no guarantee of senior success and some of the Cork lads will fall away too and you may never hear of them again. catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 22/07/2021 21:01:48 2362989 Link 0 |
How many tiers do you want though? 16? Two in each? There will always be hammerings yet subdividing competitions seem to the same over reaction to every hammering. Yes hurling has tiers. 15 years ago we had Mccarthy, Ring and Rackard Cups. A few hammerings later and the Meagher is introduced. One more subdivision. A few hammerings later and we introduce the Mcdonagh Cup. Another subdivision. So Skirge question is valid, Cork annihilated Clare in hurling so why not subdivide again and keep doing it until it becomes farcical? bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 22/07/2021 23:23:41 2363034 Link 0 |
Would offaly and Dublin have been separated/seeded differently?? TheRock2121 (Donegal) - Posts: 1142 - 22/07/2021 23:54:33 2363040 Link 0 |
thats the exact point, of course players will fall away, Cork will have the numbers playing (and winning along the way) to sustain them, Waterford, what will they have to sustain them?..good players falling away from the scene in Cork is very different to good players falling away in Waterford....hammerings like this especially in an so called weaker county is not going to better that situation...
Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 1034 - 23/07/2021 10:31:51 2363094 Link 0 |
I think you are right.
StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1737 - 23/07/2021 11:38:08 2363122 Link 0 |
I've a feeling though that if those youngsters were so concerned they might have trained a bit harder. You don't lose a game by that margin if you train properly.
Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1721 - 23/07/2021 11:55:41 2363129 Link 0 |
easy to say when football and hurling are on a par...not every county has that luxury, and a bit offending to them young lads from Waterford who pulled on the jersey the other night in sahara like conditions, knowing they were going to loose anyway realistiically, ...we dont know the set up to be honest...
Fairplayalways (Offaly) - Posts: 1034 - 23/07/2021 13:44:22 2363170 Link 0 |
very unfair and insulting to those kids involved. how do you define training properly? What of the extras that greatly assist performance etc that are not in any way in the hands of the kids involved. KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3512 - 23/07/2021 14:02:59 2363178 Link 0 |
Probably a comment that should be directed at the CB or management team really. Yes you can and do lose games by that margin even if you have been training properly. If Kildare / Meath / Offaly were to play Limerick in hurling tomorrow they would probably lose by something similar and I can tell you now the Joe McDonagh teams train like the Liam McCarthy teams. I'm all for a tiered and properly structured championship that does away with pointless and unhelpful hammerings. My main fear would be that the GAA would cut lose the football teams in the lower tier and not fund them properly. daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4012 - 23/07/2021 14:15:21 2363182 Link 0 |
Well said Daytona. If we are not good enough we will go down. Hurling has been graded for years so i dont understand the person saying we are someway protected?? Personally, with a relative who was on the panel and seeing his demeanor after it, I think underage grading at inter county is the way to go. He was demoralized. Grading should be easy, especially after results at u15, 16 etc, you can see what teams are capable off. With minor at u17 now ( which i think is a bad idea) counties with small picks will end up playing a lot of 16 year olds and in some cases 15 year old's as they wont turn 16 until later in the year. Very hard for them to compete against Cork, Limerick, Tipp, Galway and KK. Now I know people will say KK have small population but they dont play football and do they even field underage football teams? Its all hurling. West Clare is all football, with a good few lads hurling with clubs like Kilmaley, Ballyea, Inagh Kilnamona etc but we wouldnt hve the same numbers as the bigger teams. What happened to Clare and Waterford might be a once off but I doubt it and i would be open to grading if warranted. Clareman (Clare) - Posts: 1056 - 23/07/2021 14:48:32 2363190 Link 1 |
I don't know about that. Offaly at a far higher level than Kildare or Meath at the moment. Sure Offaly beat Meath by 16 points in Navan in the league - and that was one of the closest games that they have had all year. Teams fluctuate. Especially at underage level. So you would want to be very careful about permanent tiers. In general at senior level I think 2 tiers with 4 groups of 16 (seeded by league, then last years results) is the way to go btw. skirge7 (UK) - Posts: 251 - 23/07/2021 15:06:53 2363198 Link 0 |
Whilst I am open to grading. id like to add the following: Clareman (Clare) - Posts: 1056 - 23/07/2021 15:19:09 2363200 Link 0 |
I can't answer that but would not throw that on them as well as the terrible defeat. They were the best available and obviously out classed.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2665 - 23/07/2021 17:55:51 2363235 Link 0 |