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Replying To Canuck:  "Have to agree. He would not have looked a bit out of place with a stroppy shirt. Nothing raking away from the greatest team before this Limerick one."
Are Limerick the greatest team ever then?

Heftydickonem (Kilkenny) - Posts: 175 - 23/07/2021 18:28:24    2363241

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Replying To Heftydickonem:  "Are Limerick the greatest team ever then?"
Not yet by a long shot. I watched my first All-Ireland in 1963 and my opinion Cody's teams were the best. Limerick may be heirs to that throne but only time will tell. I don't ever buy into the best player ever because different eras had different skills and formats of play. A bit different with teams because they competed with other teams of their era and the results are visual.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3026 - 23/07/2021 19:59:34    2363259

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Replying To Breezy:  "Youre either very naive of just straight lying if you are trying to say defenders don't hit attackers on purpose while making it look like they are trying to get the ball.

If you were to watch Gillane for the whole game I bet Barrett gave him a fair few whacks much harder than he got all under the false pretense of "going for the ball""
Barret pulled across the front of Gillanes body with the hurl from behind him in this incident.

ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 873 - 23/07/2021 20:02:25    2363262

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Replying To Canuck:  "I agree with you about the flakes and these theatrics that our now common place. However if you have to drag your leg around the factory floor or try to drag yourself into the tractor and down the pit to milk the cows the next day that adrenaline rush isn't much good. All because someone pulled on you off the ball. The players still need to be protected and also penalize simulation."
But sometimes the man may be a victim of some vicious himself and have no protection from referees or umpires. I'll quote a case in point, but I am sure there are several others. In 1990 Mick Barron returned to the Limerick team as a Full Back. He was in his thirties and had not played with the county for over a decade. In the first match against Clare in Ennis hes was pitted the then very highly rated Tommy Gilfoyle. He hurled Tommy clean of Cusack Park with good old honest first to the ball and raking clearance Full back play and Limerick romped home. In the next round against Tipp he took up where he left off and was cleaning the Tipp Full Forwards. However, after twenty minutes he struck out at his previously anonymous Tipp opponent and was rightly put off. However, the umpire never asked his linesman about the conduct of the Tipp man and maybe if said gent had been behaving himself. The following day Mick went into work and of course he was attacked by colleagues as to why he got put off and 'lost game for us'. His response was to whip off his and display a back covered in bruisse which were the result of blows of a hurley inflicted on him by his opponents. Where was the duty of care to him, that was so readily applied to the other man.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4490 - 23/07/2021 21:01:03    2363281

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Replying To Fairplayalways:  "I had to laugh when our own former referee Brian Gavin said Aaron Gillane should have walked for his swing back on Chris Barrett...at least Gillanes reaction was that, a reaction...Tommy Walsh lost the plot during a melee and swung his hurling in a chopping fashion at a Tipperary player back in the day, and missed he Tipperary player but hit Gavin, cutting his eye/nose area, Gavan only gave a card and said after "he (Walsh) didnt mean to hit me"....I rest my case......Kilkenny got away with alot under Gavan a few more referees....Ide say they clapped their hands when they seen him down to ref their games....interestingly when the rules were reviewed then on dangerous play/borderline play, the Kilkenny dominance ended...dont get me wrong, they were the best team I seen for longivity, but they did get away with alot...referees were afraid of them I used to think..."
Well actually your other fellow county man Kirwan was worse. He referred the 2007 and 2009 Finals, as a Munster BTW, and to say Kilkenny 'were blest to have him' is no great exaggeration. He also refereed a crucial game in Wexford and even commenting on an outrageous incident said 'what did David Dempsey have to do to get a free, he was fouled about times in the square and got nothing'. I absolutely Kilkenny were the best by some distance I have ever seen.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4490 - 23/07/2021 21:08:46    2363284

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Replying To Heftydickonem:  "Are Limerick the greatest team ever then?"
No, but which Kilkenny team was the greatest. Now that brilliant run for KK started with winning the Leinster Final of '98 and ended when they lost the replayed match with Waterford in 2017. So effectively they were at or near the top for twenty years, but in that spell they surely had at least two teams. As regards this Limerick team, in about five years and with a good bit more success we might able to compare them to one of those teams. With our relatively limited player resources there is no way we would ever have a 20 year spell of powerful teams like Kilkenny had.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4490 - 23/07/2021 21:21:07    2363288

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "But sometimes the man may be a victim of some vicious himself and have no protection from referees or umpires. I'll quote a case in point, but I am sure there are several others. In 1990 Mick Barron returned to the Limerick team as a Full Back. He was in his thirties and had not played with the county for over a decade. In the first match against Clare in Ennis hes was pitted the then very highly rated Tommy Gilfoyle. He hurled Tommy clean of Cusack Park with good old honest first to the ball and raking clearance Full back play and Limerick romped home. In the next round against Tipp he took up where he left off and was cleaning the Tipp Full Forwards. However, after twenty minutes he struck out at his previously anonymous Tipp opponent and was rightly put off. However, the umpire never asked his linesman about the conduct of the Tipp man and maybe if said gent had been behaving himself. The following day Mick went into work and of course he was attacked by colleagues as to why he got put off and 'lost game for us'. His response was to whip off his and display a back covered in bruisse which were the result of blows of a hurley inflicted on him by his opponents. Where was the duty of care to him, that was so readily applied to the other man."
Exactly. In 2017 semi final the game was out of reach for Cork with a minute or two to go. A Cork player buried the heel of the hurley in Conor Gleeson ribs. He swung round and slashed him, got him on the shins. Both were red carded. Gleeson missed the final the other guy missed the first game in the league the next year. In fact not taking from Galway I have always believed Gleeson would have been the difference in a three point defeat as he was man marker. Yes also Gleeson's rib cage was black and blue. In as much as that Cork player is a big name I lost all respect for him provoking a player in a game that was lost. However the rules are the rules but the punishment was not fair.
Two Limerick players committed red card offences but for me it is not going to define this team and their brilliance. I will not be joining the pull them down brigade but will be honest even if it is Waterford.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3026 - 23/07/2021 23:52:07    2363327

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Replying To ecad123:  "Rubbish ! trying to get the ball is very different. The ball was in his hand not barretts and he swings back. This was 100% a red. You could really injure a player by doing this. This was a savage dirty stroke and you cannot justify this. If people think this is ok then we have a real problem. He should get a hefty ban. The ref has a duty of care to protect players. I would love to hear kielys views on this seen he is so quick to question other teams !!!!"
If Gillane had hit 1 of yer fellas he'd still be rolling around

updwell (Limerick) - Posts: 898 - 24/07/2021 00:20:29    2363331

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Well actually your other fellow county man Kirwan was worse. He referred the 2007 and 2009 Finals, as a Munster BTW, and to say Kilkenny 'were blest to have him' is no great exaggeration. He also refereed a crucial game in Wexford and even commenting on an outrageous incident said 'what did David Dempsey have to do to get a free, he was fouled about times in the square and got nothing'. I absolutely Kilkenny were the best by some distance I have ever seen."
Above should said have 'a Wexford friend commenting'

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4490 - 24/07/2021 08:37:10    2363345

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Replying To Canuck:  "Exactly. In 2017 semi final the game was out of reach for Cork with a minute or two to go. A Cork player buried the heel of the hurley in Conor Gleeson ribs. He swung round and slashed him, got him on the shins. Both were red carded. Gleeson missed the final the other guy missed the first game in the league the next year. In fact not taking from Galway I have always believed Gleeson would have been the difference in a three point defeat as he was man marker. Yes also Gleeson's rib cage was black and blue. In as much as that Cork player is a big name I lost all respect for him provoking a player in a game that was lost. However the rules are the rules but the punishment was not fair.
Two Limerick players committed red card offences but for me it is not going to define this team and their brilliance. I will not be joining the pull them down brigade but will be honest even if it is Waterford."
Thanks Canuck. I just think the antics of backs in every county should be more closely monitored. I think ye were very unlucky in '17 and would have won easily if had a fully fit Barron, Gleeson and Bennett, the goal scorer, on for the full game, and If Austin had played as well that day as he did in last years final ye have won anyway..

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4490 - 24/07/2021 13:49:58    2363423

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Thanks Canuck. I just think the antics of backs in every county should be more closely monitored. I think ye were very unlucky in '17 and would have won easily if had a fully fit Barron, Gleeson and Bennett, the goal scorer, on for the full game, and If Austin had played as well that day as he did in last years final ye have won anyway.."
Austin was throwing up in the dressing room prior to the game and should never have started. However we have or had not any begrudgery towards Galway or y'ere selves and excuses is the recipe for continuing to lose. Limerick are where they are from the work done over years and not getting into internal squabbling. We are not quiet there yet but have been consistent for a few decades since the West v East and other inter club squabbling has stopped. The team is now often made up of 10 or 12 clubs. The guys from the west (football country) stay with their clubs even if junior and don't go medal hunting. The guys from the city are now more humble after spending time around them.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3026 - 24/07/2021 19:28:39    2363571

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Replying To Canuck:  "Austin was throwing up in the dressing room prior to the game and should never have started. However we have or had not any begrudgery towards Galway or y'ere selves and excuses is the recipe for continuing to lose. Limerick are where they are from the work done over years and not getting into internal squabbling. We are not quiet there yet but have been consistent for a few decades since the West v East and other inter club squabbling has stopped. The team is now often made up of 10 or 12 clubs. The guys from the west (football country) stay with their clubs even if junior and don't go medal hunting. The guys from the city are now more humble after spending time around them."
Congratulations on a truly splendid, especially when reduced to 14 men- I felt a Galway should have for a wild minutes later-. If we do not it now, I hope ye will.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4490 - 24/07/2021 20:56:53    2363622

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Replying To Canuck:  "Exactly. In 2017 semi final the game was out of reach for Cork with a minute or two to go. A Cork player buried the heel of the hurley in Conor Gleeson ribs. He swung round and slashed him, got him on the shins. Both were red carded. Gleeson missed the final the other guy missed the first game in the league the next year. In fact not taking from Galway I have always believed Gleeson would have been the difference in a three point defeat as he was man marker. Yes also Gleeson's rib cage was black and blue. In as much as that Cork player is a big name I lost all respect for him provoking a player in a game that was lost. However the rules are the rules but the punishment was not fair.
Two Limerick players committed red card offences but for me it is not going to define this team and their brilliance. I will not be joining the pull them down brigade but will be honest even if it is Waterford."
Good win for Waterford yesterday Canuck. Best of luck the next day, would love to see you win Liam.

MicktheMiller (Offaly) - Posts: 421 - 25/07/2021 12:34:52    2363809

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Replying To MicktheMiller:  "Good win for Waterford yesterday Canuck. Best of luck the next day, would love to see you win Liam."
I think it is a three year plan with Liam. I would be reasonable confident if Tadgh was on board but injuries are always a risk. With Tadgh and O'Keeffe back, Kiely another year under his belt plus some more very good prospects from that U20 team we will be stronger. Not knocking the goalies now but Stephen is a class above if he decides to return.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3026 - 25/07/2021 21:30:11    2364087

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Thanks Canuck. I just think the antics of backs in every county should be more closely monitored. I think ye were very unlucky in '17 and would have won easily if had a fully fit Barron, Gleeson and Bennett, the goal scorer, on for the full game, and If Austin had played as well that day as he did in last years final ye have won anyway.."
How can you be so sure ?? Canning wasn't fully fit either in that game in 17.

ecad123 (Galway) - Posts: 272 - 26/07/2021 10:55:23    2364209

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Replying To ecad123:  "How can you be so sure ?? Canning wasn't fully fit either in that game in 17."
I think you are the man who said boldly ' Galway would have won' but for injuries in '18.How you be so sure, especially when too of the Limerick Full back Line had to go off injured during the game. Check again- I said maybe. But when you consider what each of the Bennetts and a fully fit Jamie Barron, man of the match,and Austin Glesson did last Sunday you can at least wonder, but of course you can never be sure.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4490 - 26/07/2021 12:07:52    2364241

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "I think you are the man who said boldly ' Galway would have won' but for injuries in '18.How you be so sure, especially when too of the Limerick Full back Line had to go off injured during the game. Check again- I said maybe. But when you consider what each of the Bennetts and a fully fit Jamie Barron, man of the match,and Austin Glesson did last Sunday you can at least wonder, but of course you can never be sure."
You said Waterford would have won easily in your reply to cunuck, Maybe you should check your own posts before you critique mine. Remember you said in one of your posts that gullanes strike on barrett was not a bad stroke. Come on it was shocking and you still won't admit it! You even blamed barrett for rolling on the floor.

ecad123 (Galway) - Posts: 272 - 28/07/2021 10:02:28    2364978

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Replying To ecad123:  "You said Waterford would have won easily in your reply to cunuck, Maybe you should check your own posts before you critique mine. Remember you said in one of your posts that gullanes strike on barrett was not a bad stroke. Come on it was shocking and you still won't admit it! You even blamed barrett for rolling on the floor."
Are you seriously saying he did not roll on the floor. Look at the tape again man.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4490 - 28/07/2021 14:12:54    2365092

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Are you seriously saying he did not roll on the floor. Look at the tape again man."
You are something else. he got a dirty belt with the side of the hurl, of course he fell to the floor. You are blaming barrett for falling . And not blaming gullane ?? you could do with another look at it again yourself. You don't even think it was a dirty stroke! You are deluded.

ecad123 (Galway) - Posts: 272 - 29/07/2021 00:21:12    2365339

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Are you seriously saying he did not roll on the floor. Look at the tape again man."
And don't forget slapping the ground too

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2269 - 29/07/2021 13:39:25    2365488

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