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Replying To Square_B:  "You're deluded if you think that Jim Gavin & Declan Darcy would do 4 hr round trips to come down & manage Leitrim because of some sort of sence of loyalty you think Declan has to Leitrim. You don't know much about either fellow if you think they would. Mickey Harte has lots of time on his hands taking on Louth... about an hour spin down the road. Nice handy number to keep him occupied. Let's not delude ourselves and think there's going to be a queue of managers waiting to take on Leitrim. A complete root and branch review of football is needed in the county first before we talk about 'all star' management teams. Proper investment into underage structures, coaching and resources that will get us winning underage county matches and titles. Terry Hyland was right about club football in the county... it's shown year after year how poor the standard is when we leave the county. Throwing money at an 'all star' management team won't fix the root and branch issues the county face."
Those who see Jim Gavin as some kind of coaching messiah forgot he was in charge of a de facto semi professional side, had a backroom team of up to 30 people helping him win, most games held in his own county, all his players working in that home county with short commutes to training. He wouldn't do anything with another county, never mind Leitrim

kick-it (Leitrim) - Posts: 33 - 18/07/2021 18:52:40    2361246

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Replying To kick-it:  "Those who see Jim Gavin as some kind of coaching messiah forgot he was in charge of a de facto semi professional side, had a backroom team of up to 30 people helping him win, most games held in his own county, all his players working in that home county with short commutes to training. He wouldn't do anything with another county, never mind Leitrim"
Jim Gavin, Jim McGuiness, dessie Farrell, James Horan, whoever wouldn't win a thing with Leitrim, the players are not there simple as.... problems in Leitrim football run much deeper than the county team

totalrecall (Leitrim) - Posts: 1046 - 18/07/2021 22:59:11    2361446

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Replying To totalrecall:  "Jim Gavin, Jim McGuiness, dessie Farrell, James Horan, whoever wouldn't win a thing with Leitrim, the players are not there simple as.... problems in Leitrim football run much deeper than the county team"
And also I'd say in 2-3 years provincial games will be gone...from the all Ireland comp anyway... and we will be in a tier 3 competition, wouldn't exactly float anyone's boat with a bit of ambition.

kick-it (Leitrim) - Posts: 33 - 19/07/2021 12:10:26    2361614

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Just looking back at when the changes to structures were announced, Leitrim seemed to be more opposed to it than any other county. https://www.hoganstand.com/Leitrim/Forum/Details/108154?Latest=1#Latest On the one hand we have strong views stating that players will not put themselves through tough winter training knowning that a 20 point hammering is assured in the first round. What do Leitrim players and supporters want to happen that will improve the lot of the county team? I have long argued that the trips to NY are a total humbug for DIV 1 and 2 teams. NY have never won a championship game. I believe a much better system would be for the winners of DIV 4 to be rewarded with a game v NY. The winners of DIV 3 to play London. Surely Leitrim v Sligo would do something at least in terms of confidence if they were drawn against each other?

martinjoe (Mayo) - Posts: 545 - 20/07/2021 09:33:22    2362024

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Replying To martinjoe:  "Just looking back at when the changes to structures were announced, Leitrim seemed to be more opposed to it than any other county. https://www.hoganstand.com/Leitrim/Forum/Details/108154?Latest=1#Latest On the one hand we have strong views stating that players will not put themselves through tough winter training knowning that a 20 point hammering is assured in the first round. What do Leitrim players and supporters want to happen that will improve the lot of the county team? I have long argued that the trips to NY are a total humbug for DIV 1 and 2 teams. NY have never won a championship game. I believe a much better system would be for the winners of DIV 4 to be rewarded with a game v NY. The winners of DIV 3 to play London. Surely Leitrim v Sligo would do something at least in terms of confidence if they were drawn against each other?"
yeah that would be cos a lot of gaa people here are traditionalists that still cling onto memories of 94 and think we can do it again in the near future without major overhauls of how the underage structure is ran. You reap what you sow and until this is addressed nothing will change and we may end up not entering connacht championship due to lack of interested players.
London and NY would well fancy their chances against us when they are allowed participate again, so perhaps some sort of round robin tournament between NY and the 3 div 4 teams to give some sort of meaning to the connacht championship for them could be considered.

gaelsboy (Leitrim) - Posts: 624 - 20/07/2021 12:20:46    2362079

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I like the way leitrim have the leagues now, divisions 1,2 and 3 all first teams and all have to compete with other first teams. No more the like of eslin or aughavas playing division 3 against all other clubs second teams for their league campaign.

If we took this on for club championships where of a county of 24 clubs (i think... well maybe 23 with no st osnatts now at adult level) with 8 teams each in senior, intermediate and junior championship of all 1st teams this can only help the county manager. Clubs would be forced into training stricter, more professional and harder and proper from underage up, to progress through the ranks. Thus improving the quality of club player available before he enters the county set up. It would also improve our clubs entering the connacht championship at intermediate and junior level and getting more experience and success there.

For me improving the club scene can only benefit the new manager and leitrim football in general.

Thoughts...??

leitrim4sam (Leitrim) - Posts: 698 - 20/07/2021 19:43:43    2362252

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Replying To leitrim4sam:  "I like the way leitrim have the leagues now, divisions 1,2 and 3 all first teams and all have to compete with other first teams. No more the like of eslin or aughavas playing division 3 against all other clubs second teams for their league campaign.

If we took this on for club championships where of a county of 24 clubs (i think... well maybe 23 with no st osnatts now at adult level) with 8 teams each in senior, intermediate and junior championship of all 1st teams this can only help the county manager. Clubs would be forced into training stricter, more professional and harder and proper from underage up, to progress through the ranks. Thus improving the quality of club player available before he enters the county set up. It would also improve our clubs entering the connacht championship at intermediate and junior level and getting more experience and success there.

For me improving the club scene can only benefit the new manager and leitrim football in general.

Thoughts...??"
yep dublin do that for championship, 12 teams from senior 1 and 2 down to junior 5 in think.
some one sided games but not their fault, either you are good enough to compete or you get sent down eventually
competitive cut throat championships make for competitive county panels

gaelsboy (Leitrim) - Posts: 624 - 21/07/2021 11:16:07    2362434

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Replying To leitrim4sam:  "I like the way leitrim have the leagues now, divisions 1,2 and 3 all first teams and all have to compete with other first teams. No more the like of eslin or aughavas playing division 3 against all other clubs second teams for their league campaign.

If we took this on for club championships where of a county of 24 clubs (i think... well maybe 23 with no st osnatts now at adult level) with 8 teams each in senior, intermediate and junior championship of all 1st teams this can only help the county manager. Clubs would be forced into training stricter, more professional and harder and proper from underage up, to progress through the ranks. Thus improving the quality of club player available before he enters the county set up. It would also improve our clubs entering the connacht championship at intermediate and junior level and getting more experience and success there.

For me improving the club scene can only benefit the new manager and leitrim football in general.

Thoughts...??"
yep dublin do that for championship, 12 teams from senior 1 and 2 down to junior 5 in think.
some one sided games but not their fault, either you are good enough to compete or you get sent down eventually
competitive cut throat championships make for competitive county panels

gaelsboy (Leitrim) - Posts: 624 - 21/07/2021 13:45:40    2362503

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Replying To kick-it:  "And also I'd say in 2-3 years provincial games will be gone...from the all Ireland comp anyway... and we will be in a tier 3 competition, wouldn't exactly float anyone's boat with a bit of ambition."
Do you honestly think the provincial council's are going to let their championship's go??

totalrecall (Leitrim) - Posts: 1046 - 24/07/2021 08:50:19    2363347

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Replying To totalrecall:  "Do you honestly think the provincial council's are going to let their championship's go??"
Well Ulster will dig in and probably Leinster but in reality the other two provincial championships are just down to one game each, Kerry and Cork...which is a non event...and Galway and Mayo...which is another non event at the moment.

kick-it (Leitrim) - Posts: 33 - 26/07/2021 13:17:40    2364269

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What I would like to see from a new leitrim manager, is to get the team fecking FIT. Leitrim haven't been physically fit enough to complete in years. What is going on with the S & C in the county? Why are we not producing athletes? It's a huge worry, the modern game is all about PACE AND POWER and we are always way off the pace.

3rdmidfielder (Australia) - Posts: 411 - 01/08/2021 10:13:20    2366313

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Darcy and Gavin talk gaining alot of momentum in Dublin, probably between them and Guckian.

Gaa_fan1234 (Roscommon) - Posts: 16 - 01/08/2021 11:24:32    2366337

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Replying To Gaa_fan1234:  "Darcy and Gavin talk gaining alot of momentum in Dublin, probably between them and Guckian."
Do you even know how to get to Dublin or point it out on a map either? Maybe we could get a hurling manager like roscommon did to little effect

republicofcloone (Leitrim) - Posts: 375 - 01/08/2021 13:41:29    2366398

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Gavin is thought to be seriously interested in managing that conveyor belt of talented forwards coming through.

Gaa_fan1234 (Roscommon) - Posts: 16 - 01/08/2021 20:20:36    2366587

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Replying To 3rdmidfielder:  "What I would like to see from a new leitrim manager, is to get the team fecking FIT. Leitrim haven't been physically fit enough to complete in years. What is going on with the S & C in the county? Why are we not producing athletes? It's a huge worry, the modern game is all about PACE AND POWER and we are always way off the pace."
S & C is one aspect, but you need good footballer's who have been well coached from an early age, until this is addressed in Leitrim, little will change

totalrecall (Leitrim) - Posts: 1046 - 02/08/2021 09:17:40    2366739

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If we manage to get a good manager I guarantee the first thing they will be looking to sort will be S&C and fitness. They haven't been up to the mark the last couple of years.
You can have brilliant players but if they're not at the required fitness level they'll be swallowed up. Its the one area that we can definitely improve and its an absolute requirement. Having good players is never guaranteed but at the very least the ones you put out should be strong enough and fit enough.

ThePowerhouse (Leitrim) - Posts: 213 - 02/08/2021 11:15:08    2366781

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Replying To Gaa_fan1234:  "Gavin is thought to be seriously interested in managing that conveyor belt of talented forwards coming through."
Can you name some of these forwards? Must be pretty sad to be here making a skit out of lads playing sports.

kick-it (Leitrim) - Posts: 33 - 02/08/2021 14:10:45    2366880

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Replying To ThePowerhouse:  "If we manage to get a good manager I guarantee the first thing they will be looking to sort will be S&C and fitness. They haven't been up to the mark the last couple of years.
You can have brilliant players but if they're not at the required fitness level they'll be swallowed up. Its the one area that we can definitely improve and its an absolute requirement. Having good players is never guaranteed but at the very least the ones you put out should be strong enough and fit enough."
100% agree.

3rdmidfielder (Australia) - Posts: 411 - 02/08/2021 14:54:28    2366896

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Replying To ThePowerhouse:  "If we manage to get a good manager I guarantee the first thing they will be looking to sort will be S&C and fitness. They haven't been up to the mark the last couple of years.
You can have brilliant players but if they're not at the required fitness level they'll be swallowed up. Its the one area that we can definitely improve and its an absolute requirement. Having good players is never guaranteed but at the very least the ones you put out should be strong enough and fit enough."
Fair point but we all know that the underage structures in the county are simply not good enough. You have to question what individual clubs are doing to improve Leitrim's lot. And also I question what the county board is doing to help them. We really have no excuses in Leitrim, GAA is the No 1 sport in the county. The county board need to concentrate on helping clubs develop a set of underage coaches from here on out as we haven't a hope otherwise. Realistically, this is a 10-15 year plan with every club committed to identifying suitable people who can implement that plan. If that means knocking on doors at Croke Park to help pay clubs to provide that coaching, in addition to GPO's at county level, so be it.

Square_B (Leitrim) - Posts: 1272 - 02/08/2021 19:57:43    2367018

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In 10-15 years you will see a semi professional game in place at inter County level and we surely won't be able to compete. We'll be mired in a tier 3 junior championship type scenario

republicofcloone (Leitrim) - Posts: 375 - 02/08/2021 21:00:24    2367048

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