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Terry has gone, I think it is the correct decision for everyone involved.
I'd like to thank Terry his first year , it was the best year we have had in a long long time.

With Covid the last two years have been a disaster really.

Very important to get the right man now, because the players are not as bad as we seen in Castlebar, I believe there is some potential in this group.

I think leitrim need to look to counties like Clare/Monaghan who are performing above their respective weights.

The usual names like Declan D'Arcy, Jim McGuinness will be thrown about. I'm not sure either would be interested. Any suggestions?

3rdmidfielder (Australia) - Posts: 411 - 16/07/2021 09:20:37    2360300

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Correct they were bet in the final my mistake. I think he'd be a great option. I'll throw out 10 ambitious names now and see will the county board have approached or will even ask the question

1 Jim Gavin and Declan Darcy
2. Stephen Roachford
3. Peter canavan
4. Malachy O Rourke
5. Andy Moran
6. Jason Forde
7. Kevin Walsh
8. Fergal o Donnell
9. Pete McGrath
10. Mick Bohan

Again none might have an interest and maybe some are gone past there sell by date but the worst they can say is no.

Champotime18 (Leitrim) - Posts: 442 - 16/07/2021 10:09:46    2360312

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Replying To Champotime18:  "Correct they were bet in the final my mistake. I think he'd be a great option. I'll throw out 10 ambitious names now and see will the county board have approached or will even ask the question

1 Jim Gavin and Declan Darcy
2. Stephen Roachford
3. Peter canavan
4. Malachy O Rourke
5. Andy Moran
6. Jason Forde
7. Kevin Walsh
8. Fergal o Donnell
9. Pete McGrath
10. Mick Bohan

Again none might have an interest and maybe some are gone past there sell by date but the worst they can say is no."
O'Donnell might have an interest, Cant see him getting back involved with Roscommon anytime soon. His reputation has dwindled a bit in recent years. The joint management with McStay didnt work out and the time in Longford with Killoe didn't go well. Has been over Western Gaels last year and done no worse or better than they did before. If he wants to get back into Inter County Management Leitrim may be one of his only options to prove himself again.
Nigel Dineen could also be interested from my own county.

sourmilk93 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1205 - 16/07/2021 12:05:23    2360372

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Replying To sourmilk93:  "O'Donnell might have an interest, Cant see him getting back involved with Roscommon anytime soon. His reputation has dwindled a bit in recent years. The joint management with McStay didnt work out and the time in Longford with Killoe didn't go well. Has been over Western Gaels last year and done no worse or better than they did before. If he wants to get back into Inter County Management Leitrim may be one of his only options to prove himself again.
Nigel Dineen could also be interested from my own county."
What do you mean by Leitrim may be one of his only options? Who'd say we'd want him?

republicofcloone (Leitrim) - Posts: 375 - 16/07/2021 12:51:38    2360386

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Replying To sourmilk93:  "O'Donnell might have an interest, Cant see him getting back involved with Roscommon anytime soon. His reputation has dwindled a bit in recent years. The joint management with McStay didnt work out and the time in Longford with Killoe didn't go well. Has been over Western Gaels last year and done no worse or better than they did before. If he wants to get back into Inter County Management Leitrim may be one of his only options to prove himself again.
Nigel Dineen could also be interested from my own county."
I think Nigel Dineen went for the Leitrim Job the last time on a joint ticket with David Casey.
I might as well throw McStays hat in the ring as well. He talks about helping the weaker counties on telly enough anyway. Not a big drive for him either.

Champotime18 (Leitrim) - Posts: 442 - 16/07/2021 13:09:53    2360389

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Replying To republicofcloone:  "What do you mean by Leitrim may be one of his only options? Who'd say we'd want him?"
Jesus you have some chip on your shoulder, Cant even have a constructive discussion without you attacking every post.
I mean no disrespect but its blatantly obvious Leitrim are at a low ebb currently. You are deluded if you think the job will attract high profile managers. Would be glad to be proved wrong here.
I personally don't rate O'Donnell as high as most in Roscommon so I wouldn't want him if i was a Leitrim fan. I never made the point he should get the job just made a comment he may be interested.
What I meant by Leitrim been one of his only options if you need that explained to you your away with the fairies. Any manager trying to get on the intercounty circuit best chance of getting a gig naturally would be with one of the weaker counties. Going by the league table Leitrim are unfortunately very close to the bottom. Wasn't a life time ago gave my own county major scares, those days are getting further and further away by the year recently.

sourmilk93 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1205 - 16/07/2021 13:15:19    2360394

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Replying To sourmilk93:  "Jesus you have some chip on your shoulder, Cant even have a constructive discussion without you attacking every post.
I mean no disrespect but its blatantly obvious Leitrim are at a low ebb currently. You are deluded if you think the job will attract high profile managers. Would be glad to be proved wrong here.
I personally don't rate O'Donnell as high as most in Roscommon so I wouldn't want him if i was a Leitrim fan. I never made the point he should get the job just made a comment he may be interested.
What I meant by Leitrim been one of his only options if you need that explained to you your away with the fairies. Any manager trying to get on the intercounty circuit best chance of getting a gig naturally would be with one of the weaker counties. Going by the league table Leitrim are unfortunately very close to the bottom. Wasn't a life time ago gave my own county major scares, those days are getting further and further away by the year recently."
Attacking every post? Not really. Curious as to your motivation in posting such comments. I think your own county are at a fairly low ebb with a coach that's bringing you nowhere, literally and metaphorically. I think the reality is you're on here to have posters plamas Roscommon and say how great they are etc and how far ahead of us they are. If there were any good coaches in Roscommon they'd be training the county team, so we'll look elsewhere thanks.

republicofcloone (Leitrim) - Posts: 375 - 16/07/2021 13:40:39    2360405

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There's some wild names being mentioned here. In economic reality we will have to shop local I'd say and that may not be a bad thing. Padraic Davis seems the obvious candidate to me, but he didn't set Longford alight but who knows what kind of support structure he got from county board there, problem is maybe the northern end of the county don' know much about him, a good selector or coaches from that area would help that. And he may not want to jump into such time consuming stuff again for a while anyway.

kick-it (Leitrim) - Posts: 33 - 16/07/2021 13:48:10    2360409

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Replying To republicofcloone:  "Attacking every post? Not really. Curious as to your motivation in posting such comments. I think your own county are at a fairly low ebb with a coach that's bringing you nowhere, literally and metaphorically. I think the reality is you're on here to have posters plamas Roscommon and say how great they are etc and how far ahead of us they are. If there were any good coaches in Roscommon they'd be training the county team, so we'll look elsewhere thanks."
Your an angry little man, Grow up you low life. Its a public forum i am not on trolling and literally just replied to a post.
I have first cousins who played county for Leitrim this century,I post regular on many counties forum and always had an extra interest in Leitrim due to the close family ties. I will not let the likes of you stop me. Who do you think you are? Unless your a Mod cop yourself on. The arrogance is quite a sight out of you.
Jesus if you think we are on a low ebb been ranks anywhere from 7-12 in the country you have fairly high standards. Personally i think that's as good as we will ever be. Agree manager is past his sell by date with us and lacks tactical awareness. Will be remembered fondly though winning a provincial title going away to Mayo and Galway.

sourmilk93 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1205 - 16/07/2021 14:35:34    2360426

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Some wild names being thrown about I must say.... I had a good laugh at Jim Gavin & Declan Darcy being mentioned... no point asking if the county board asked when we have fcuk all to offer them. Only embarrassing ourselves if they did ask. IMO, a more realistical appointment would be Padraic Davis. He knows Leitrim football and would be obviously close to Mohill. However, who ever is appointed needs every shoulder to the wheel. No good having lads dropping out after the league just because a beating might be on the cards. I think the system does not help us one bit & perhaps the Connacht championship needs to be shaken up... maybe in the short term a league type effort which would at least give lads games which were badly lacking in the last 2 years (obviously no fault of the team / management). A complete root and branch review of football in the county is also badly needed, perhaps bring in the likes of Declan Darcy to conduct that, which would be a more realistic ask from him and use that learning to assist us to help ourselves & assist us getting more resources from Croke Park. Counties like Leitrim badly need help as we're lacking in so many departments. There's lots of good work being done but when you hear of things like pointless amalgamations at underage level you wonder who is looking at the bigger picture. It should be fairly easy to collect data (over the next 12 months) that can accurately predict how many kids are coming through the ranks at a certain age group and plan according. Maybe it's done already but surely then pointless amalgamations wouldn't be happening if it was. At least then you can plan for perhaps a sustained effort at county level when a team could be produced that might take us to Div 2 and sustain us there for more than 1 season.

Square_B (Leitrim) - Posts: 1274 - 16/07/2021 17:16:17    2360468

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Go after Davis but I can't see him going into management straight away after stepping away from longford. He managed to keep longford who are no great shakes in division 3 and especially this year in a group against 2 teams that came down from division 2 and Derry who are the most progressive team in the country this year while also beating Munster champions.

williesboy (Leitrim) - Posts: 488 - 16/07/2021 18:14:10    2360478

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I know Oisin McConville has done some coaching sessions with clubs in the county he is doing great work in Monaghan club football. Maybe an option? I'd be interested to see how Andy Moran and Solan go with Ballaghaderreen this year.

I don't think we should sell ourselves short either, we are at a low ebb after Castlebar but the reality is if you have ambition to be an inter-county there aren't many jobs out there at any given time.

3rdmidfielder (Australia) - Posts: 411 - 16/07/2021 21:22:35    2360508

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Replying To sourmilk93:  "Your an angry little man, Grow up you low life. Its a public forum i am not on trolling and literally just replied to a post.
I have first cousins who played county for Leitrim this century,I post regular on many counties forum and always had an extra interest in Leitrim due to the close family ties. I will not let the likes of you stop me. Who do you think you are? Unless your a Mod cop yourself on. The arrogance is quite a sight out of you.
Jesus if you think we are on a low ebb been ranks anywhere from 7-12 in the country you have fairly high standards. Personally i think that's as good as we will ever be. Agree manager is past his sell by date with us and lacks tactical awareness. Will be remembered fondly though winning a provincial title going away to Mayo and Galway."
Lol.

Getting back on topic I dont think Leitrim just needs a new senior manager which they obviously do, they need a full time administrator that can plan out exactly what needs to be done with football structures in the county in the next 10-20 years and who run it for that period of time under constant review. I think that's a vastly more important appointment to make.

republicofcloone (Leitrim) - Posts: 375 - 17/07/2021 08:37:23    2360566

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Replying To Square_B:  "Some wild names being thrown about I must say.... I had a good laugh at Jim Gavin & Declan Darcy being mentioned... no point asking if the county board asked when we have fcuk all to offer them. Only embarrassing ourselves if they did ask. IMO, a more realistical appointment would be Padraic Davis. He knows Leitrim football and would be obviously close to Mohill. However, who ever is appointed needs every shoulder to the wheel. No good having lads dropping out after the league just because a beating might be on the cards. I think the system does not help us one bit & perhaps the Connacht championship needs to be shaken up... maybe in the short term a league type effort which would at least give lads games which were badly lacking in the last 2 years (obviously no fault of the team / management). A complete root and branch review of football in the county is also badly needed, perhaps bring in the likes of Declan Darcy to conduct that, which would be a more realistic ask from him and use that learning to assist us to help ourselves & assist us getting more resources from Croke Park. Counties like Leitrim badly need help as we're lacking in so many departments. There's lots of good work being done but when you hear of things like pointless amalgamations at underage level you wonder who is looking at the bigger picture. It should be fairly easy to collect data (over the next 12 months) that can accurately predict how many kids are coming through the ranks at a certain age group and plan according. Maybe it's done already but surely then pointless amalgamations wouldn't be happening if it was. At least then you can plan for perhaps a sustained effort at county level when a team could be produced that might take us to Div 2 and sustain us there for more than 1 season."
Just wondering if you were in Louth last year and the Louth county board suggested Mickey Harte would
You have told them not to embarrass themselves by asking cause he'll just laugh at us . The same With Micko in Wicklow and Paidi in Westmeath. Every county board should have a vision and try and sell that vision. Declan Darcy is a Leitrim man don't forget. Maybe you are on the county board and that's the exact problem they lack the same ambition as you and unfortunately think the same and laugh off going for the best because we are poor Leitrim and nobody wants us. Keep settling for mediocracy and keep getting the same results

Champotime18 (Leitrim) - Posts: 442 - 17/07/2021 14:07:00    2360667

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Replying To Champotime18:  "Just wondering if you were in Louth last year and the Louth county board suggested Mickey Harte would
You have told them not to embarrass themselves by asking cause he'll just laugh at us . The same With Micko in Wicklow and Paidi in Westmeath. Every county board should have a vision and try and sell that vision. Declan Darcy is a Leitrim man don't forget. Maybe you are on the county board and that's the exact problem they lack the same ambition as you and unfortunately think the same and laugh off going for the best because we are poor Leitrim and nobody wants us. Keep settling for mediocracy and keep getting the same results"
Terry Hyland was by no means a nobody when he took over Leitrim in fairness. And he had a decent year with promotion in his first go but shur we were steeped in luck to get that promotion. Sometimes luck is needed. In fairness Paidi had all Ireland winners to work with too. No harm asking Darcy at all but I suspect he could be in the running for the Dublin job pretty soon, not sure if Farrell will be around next year

republicofcloone (Leitrim) - Posts: 375 - 17/07/2021 16:39:38    2360744

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Replying To Champotime18:  "Just wondering if you were in Louth last year and the Louth county board suggested Mickey Harte would
You have told them not to embarrass themselves by asking cause he'll just laugh at us . The same With Micko in Wicklow and Paidi in Westmeath. Every county board should have a vision and try and sell that vision. Declan Darcy is a Leitrim man don't forget. Maybe you are on the county board and that's the exact problem they lack the same ambition as you and unfortunately think the same and laugh off going for the best because we are poor Leitrim and nobody wants us. Keep settling for mediocracy and keep getting the same results"
These high ppwered managers and their back up teams cost a lot of money.
Surely we have to ask is that the best way to spend the limited funding available to the county
.No matter who comes in I cant see them getting Leitrim competitive enough to compete in Connacht.
Who wants to sign up to another championshiip invite humiliation. I cant see no point im participating in a competition where you have absolutely no chance of winning it.
Accordingly I would like to see a debate about increasing the resources in coaching instead of funding the senior team to continue in a competition where we know they are odds on to be walloped. This is no good for anyone and is demoralising for everybody particularly the players. The league is a different matter, but the championship is the glamour competition and as of now it is a nightmare which is a recurring every Summer.

joeman123 (Leitrim) - Posts: 558 - 17/07/2021 18:43:24    2360781

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Several times during commentary on Mayo V Leitrim Dessie stated that the manager had problems with players not coming to training. I doubt very much if that was the case. But no matter who takes over he will want the lads to attend training. By far the best option in my view has to be John Moughan. Whatever ability they have he will get it out of them, and more. In the meantime the GAA need to ensure that if 2 Connacht teams are in division 4 then they must meet in first round of the championship.

martinjoe (Mayo) - Posts: 545 - 17/07/2021 20:40:14    2360828

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Replying To martinjoe:  "Several times during commentary on Mayo V Leitrim Dessie stated that the manager had problems with players not coming to training. I doubt very much if that was the case. But no matter who takes over he will want the lads to attend training. By far the best option in my view has to be John Moughan. Whatever ability they have he will get it out of them, and more. In the meantime the GAA need to ensure that if 2 Connacht teams are in division 4 then they must meet in first round of the championship."
That wont solve anything. The Division 4 teams will eventually have to face the guillotine. I cant see intelligent players opting to put themselves through this type of torture.
Surely there must be a better way to have a competition where the teams competing have some, albeit remote chance of winning. It is not fair on Leitrim players, management and supporters to have to endure the now annual ritual of humiliation.

It is time to Shout Stop. This message should also be taken up by numerous other counties, throughout Ireland.

joeman123 (Leitrim) - Posts: 558 - 17/07/2021 21:21:16    2360846

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Replying To Champotime18:  "Just wondering if you were in Louth last year and the Louth county board suggested Mickey Harte would
You have told them not to embarrass themselves by asking cause he'll just laugh at us . The same With Micko in Wicklow and Paidi in Westmeath. Every county board should have a vision and try and sell that vision. Declan Darcy is a Leitrim man don't forget. Maybe you are on the county board and that's the exact problem they lack the same ambition as you and unfortunately think the same and laugh off going for the best because we are poor Leitrim and nobody wants us. Keep settling for mediocracy and keep getting the same results"
You're deluded if you think that Jim Gavin & Declan Darcy would do 4 hr round trips to come down & manage Leitrim because of some sort of sence of loyalty you think Declan has to Leitrim. You don't know much about either fellow if you think they would. Mickey Harte has lots of time on his hands taking on Louth... about an hour spin down the road. Nice handy number to keep him occupied. Let's not delude ourselves and think there's going to be a queue of managers waiting to take on Leitrim. A complete root and branch review of football is needed in the county first before we talk about 'all star' management teams. Proper investment into underage structures, coaching and resources that will get us winning underage county matches and titles. Terry Hyland was right about club football in the county... it's shown year after year how poor the standard is when we leave the county. Throwing money at an 'all star' management team won't fix the root and branch issues the county face.

Square_B (Leitrim) - Posts: 1274 - 18/07/2021 13:22:04    2361014

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Replying To Square_B:  "You're deluded if you think that Jim Gavin & Declan Darcy would do 4 hr round trips to come down & manage Leitrim because of some sort of sence of loyalty you think Declan has to Leitrim. You don't know much about either fellow if you think they would. Mickey Harte has lots of time on his hands taking on Louth... about an hour spin down the road. Nice handy number to keep him occupied. Let's not delude ourselves and think there's going to be a queue of managers waiting to take on Leitrim. A complete root and branch review of football is needed in the county first before we talk about 'all star' management teams. Proper investment into underage structures, coaching and resources that will get us winning underage county matches and titles. Terry Hyland was right about club football in the county... it's shown year after year how poor the standard is when we leave the county. Throwing money at an 'all star' management team won't fix the root and branch issues the county face."
Who can argue with that

joeman123 (Leitrim) - Posts: 558 - 18/07/2021 13:52:21    2361026

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