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He done it twice and then looked puzzled when the red produced the red.

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2763 - 10/07/2021 20:42:39    2358398

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I think the referee had a bad game today. He let some high tackles and blatant fouls go and he penalised for other more minor offences. I hope he watches that match again and notes his mistakes so that he won't do the same again the next match he referees.
A ref can end a teams season over a stupid mistake. We seen that in a bigger match this week.

border Gael (Monaghan) - Posts: 894 - 10/07/2021 20:45:35    2358402

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Replying To mhunicean_abu:  "Don't try put words in my mouth fella. What I'm saying is that what McNamee did was no worse than what goes on all over the pitch in a championship match with no sanction. It was at most a yellow card IMO. Mc Guinness comments had everything to do with IT, as he was discussing It at the time. What I'm not going to do is discuss it with you, respectfully over and out"
McGuinness wasn't in touch with Gough so what he said had nothing to do with anything that happened in the game. You're talking rubbish and won't discuss it because you haven't a leg to stand on. As I posted, go way and learn the rules.

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 10/07/2021 20:46:12    2358404

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And while I am at it Quinlivans straight red was no red either in the Tipp, Kerry game, the Kerry player succeeded in getting him sent off.

mhunicean_abu (Monaghan) - Posts: 1044 - 10/07/2021 21:41:03    2358415

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Replying To mhunicean_abu:  "And while I am at it Quinlivans straight red was no red either in the Tipp, Kerry game, the Kerry player succeeded in getting him sent off."
are you actually trolling ? go away.

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5518 - 10/07/2021 22:06:18    2358426

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Replying To cavanman47:  "He gets praise for "letting the game flow".

But he's far too quick to penalise a player for overcarrying or touching the ball on the ground when they do neither.

Let's some blatant fouls go, but then stops the game if a free is taken from the wrong place."
He is one of the best Refs in the country if not the best and there are many poor ones. The way the game id ref'ed the lines men /umpires are the ones that get most players red carded and unfortunately common sense is not very common in most aspects of life.

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 10/07/2021 23:22:10    2358448

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Replying To P.Mckenna:  "It was a shocking game for a neutral, a reasonable 15- 20 minutes to begin with but it was shockingly boring & unenjoyable. Some very nice scores from play from both sides I agree. McCurry very impressive & looks like the real deal.
But maybe I was expecting too much, considering how the league ended for Cavan.
Probably a tense weekend for you. I suggest a nice walk & a few deep breath's."
McCurry is far from the real deal.
Never produces it on the big day.

tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1133 - 10/07/2021 23:57:41    2358456

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Enjoyed the first half, Cavan started well but couldn't keep up the pressure needed on the Tyrone kickouts, Cavan's shooting let them down then but they had some great individual performances too, hard to know how that team ended up in div 4,
Tyrone look a very good team with more to come from them, they looked very fit and with McKenna back in that team they will take some stopping. Ref was poor again, I don't like how Gough referees at all but I suppose he is consistent with it, red card wash harsh enough but fellas have to learn to keep the hands down. Cavan man didn't make a meal of it which was good to see in this age of cheating and diving in other sports.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2757 - 11/07/2021 09:47:36    2358477

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Replying To Shelbourne1:  "I disagree , the rule was correctly applied and the Tyrone player will never do that again....hopefully. It's obviously a lesson for other payers as well !"
But he will. He's a player that plays on the edge in most games. Always getting involved in things like this and loves giving the bird to the fans. No wile sympathy for him.

Tir Conaill Abu (Donegal) - Posts: 1671 - 11/07/2021 09:48:07    2358478

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Replying To browncows:  "He is one of the best Refs in the country if not the best and there are many poor ones. The way the game id ref'ed the lines men /umpires are the ones that get most players red carded and unfortunately common sense is not very common in most aspects of life."
I actually think he got the red card call right (he had no choice really as you could clearly see him repeat the word 'striking').

There are certainly some very poor ones, and Gough will always be held in high regard by the armchair neutral as he let's the game flow.

But it must be infuriating to be a player. He is so inconsistent. And he penalises a player who carries into contact whether they foul the ball or not. You'd understand if a manager did that in a training match to teach lads a lesson, but it's not a foul to get caught in possession. He should be giving players the chance to get the pass away.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5017 - 11/07/2021 10:11:34    2358485

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Replying To cavanman47:  "I actually think he got the red card call right (he had no choice really as you could clearly see him repeat the word 'striking').

There are certainly some very poor ones, and Gough will always be held in high regard by the armchair neutral as he let's the game flow.

But it must be infuriating to be a player. He is so inconsistent. And he penalises a player who carries into contact whether they foul the ball or not. You'd understand if a manager did that in a training match to teach lads a lesson, but it's not a foul to get caught in possession. He should be giving players the chance to get the pass away."
It is a foul if you get caught in possession and hold on to the ball too long as a result. Nowhere in the rules is there a provision to give players a chance to "get the pass away". Is that not the point of tackling to deny the opposition possession and movement? No fan of DG but this craic of penalising defenders for doing a good job is a major weakness in the game.

Eddie the Exile (Monaghan) - Posts: 1064 - 11/07/2021 10:56:52    2358503

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Replying To s goldrick:  "are you actually trolling ? go away."
Trolling?? I'm not to well up on social media lingo so if you consider me passionately expressing a view that the game is losing its manliness, where there is a growing trend of players looking for frees, throwing themselves on the ground, diving, cheating, then trolling it is and trolling it will be. I have consistently expressed that view no matter who was playing.

Had I said that last years victory was a fluke, aided by a Monaghan referee in the Athletic Grounds, or something like a wasted generation of Cavan footballers finishing out their careers in Div 4/3, or enjoy your trips to London etc etc, that would be my idea of trolling, but I usually leave that sort of stuff to others

mhunicean_abu (Monaghan) - Posts: 1044 - 11/07/2021 11:50:11    2358523

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Cavan were very good for the opening 25 minutes but seemed to run out of steam. On the flip side Tyrone look very fit and never looked in bother after half time. Darren McCurry was unreal, what a fantastic player. I was impressed with Tyrone, the two midfielders looked good.

The red card did seem harsh. Just depends on who is the ref, some would give a yellow. Maybe it's time to bring in a rule that any raised hands should be a red regardless of intent, this would leave players in no doubt.

Green_Gold (Donegal) - Posts: 1876 - 11/07/2021 12:02:19    2358528

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Replying To Eddie the Exile:  "It is a foul if you get caught in possession and hold on to the ball too long as a result. Nowhere in the rules is there a provision to give players a chance to "get the pass away". Is that not the point of tackling to deny the opposition possession and movement? No fan of DG but this craic of penalising defenders for doing a good job is a major weakness in the game."
But he blew the whistle before the attacker fouled the ball. .that's my point. He didn't even signal what foul he was giving it for (over carrying, playing the ball on the ground, etc).

I'm all for rewarding good defending, but if the referee is making up his own rules, then the players suffer.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5017 - 11/07/2021 12:44:04    2358539

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Replying To mhunicean_abu:  "Trolling?? I'm not to well up on social media lingo so if you consider me passionately expressing a view that the game is losing its manliness, where there is a growing trend of players looking for frees, throwing themselves on the ground, diving, cheating, then trolling it is and trolling it will be. I have consistently expressed that view no matter who was playing.

Had I said that last years victory was a fluke, aided by a Monaghan referee in the Athletic Grounds, or something like a wasted generation of Cavan footballers finishing out their careers in Div 4/3, or enjoy your trips to London etc etc, that would be my idea of trolling, but I usually leave that sort of stuff to others"
Best leave it to others alright. .

Barry Cassidy is from Derry for a start.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5017 - 11/07/2021 12:48:09    2358541

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Replying To cavanman47:  "But he blew the whistle before the attacker fouled the ball. .that's my point. He didn't even signal what foul he was giving it for (over carrying, playing the ball on the ground, etc).

I'm all for rewarding good defending, but if the referee is making up his own rules, then the players suffer."
Fair enough. Was there a specific incident(s) of this yesterday as an example?
On the game itself, I couldn't fathom how MGraham started a novice on McCurry, or indeed how he started Conor Moynagh at all. Gearoid McKiernan was way off the pace but could have been put at FF

Worth saying also that it would be a pity if yesterday was the last appearance of Martin Reillyn in a blue jersey. He is by some distance Cavans greatest servant over the last decade. A class act.

Eddie the Exile (Monaghan) - Posts: 1064 - 11/07/2021 13:58:39    2358555

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Replying To greysoil:  "A deserved red card for sheer stupidity! Absolutely no need for it with such a lead & getting the fists out right behind Gough's back."
A shame that he got involved. No fists involved, a hand off to the face twice. The Cavan player didn't go down in fairness or pretend to be injured. It's the old rule, if you raise your hand above an opponent's chest level you are forcing the ref to make a decision.. Disappointing for a player of his experience.

Curlew66 (Roscommon) - Posts: 507 - 11/07/2021 14:01:01    2358557

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Replying To Eddie the Exile:  "Fair enough. Was there a specific incident(s) of this yesterday as an example?
On the game itself, I couldn't fathom how MGraham started a novice on McCurry, or indeed how he started Conor Moynagh at all. Gearoid McKiernan was way off the pace but could have been put at FF

Worth saying also that it would be a pity if yesterday was the last appearance of Martin Reillyn in a blue jersey. He is by some distance Cavans greatest servant over the last decade. A class act."
Agree with all you say on yesterday's game. Tho, in fairness, McCurry hasn't done that before and I'll wager he'll never do it again.

The incident which stood out most was one he gave against Donaghy in the 2nd half. Good cavan tackling, but Donaghy did nothing wrong and had a free given against him. And we cry out for forwards to take on their man. Why would you?

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5017 - 11/07/2021 15:43:56    2358608

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "Enjoyed the first half, Cavan started well but couldn't keep up the pressure needed on the Tyrone kickouts, Cavan's shooting let them down then but they had some great individual performances too, hard to know how that team ended up in div 4,
Tyrone look a very good team with more to come from them, they looked very fit and with McKenna back in that team they will take some stopping. Ref was poor again, I don't like how Gough referees at all but I suppose he is consistent with it, red card wash harsh enough but fellas have to learn to keep the hands down. Cavan man didn't make a meal of it which was good to see in this age of cheating and diving in other sports."
I have to laugh at the Donegal lads 'bigging up' Tyrone. Tyrone are absolutely awful.

sam2008 (Tyrone) - Posts: 797 - 11/07/2021 15:48:46    2358613

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Replying To cavanman47:  "Agree with all you say on yesterday's game. Tho, in fairness, McCurry hasn't done that before and I'll wager he'll never do it again.

The incident which stood out most was one he gave against Donaghy in the 2nd half. Good cavan tackling, but Donaghy did nothing wrong and had a free given against him. And we cry out for forwards to take on their man. Why would you?"
Of course he's done it before, he beat Kerry on his own a couple of years back.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2017 - 11/07/2021 16:58:12    2358649

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