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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "Pity for this championship? They've played two games, losing to a mediocre Dublin team, and were totally outclassed by Waterford, who were reduced to 14 men for the whole of the second half."
Of course it's a pity, there are few enough teams competing in the all ireland series that if any of them aren't competitive it's a pity. The best championships are when they are numerous teams at the same high level.

mr305 (Galway) - Posts: 46 - 27/07/2021 11:18:33    2364622

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Replying To bloodyban:  "Ah yeah Whelan is great and always works his butt off and probably is close to being a killer and Daithi Burke and even McInerney. Youd count them all on one hand though and Joe Canning isn't a Killer ,never was. Great player and all...has pulled the team out of a hole like TJ Reid does..has Canning ever done that?"
talking of holes, you are talking out of one. And yes he has done it numerous times as every great player has.

mr305 (Galway) - Posts: 46 - 27/07/2021 11:32:23    2364628

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "(1) It was Donie Broderick and Ring switched off him before he scored the goals. Limerick came from 14 points down against Tipp and on several occasions have come back from 10 down against them, so they do might comebacks as well. The fact is that was a seriously good Cork team who had won three All Irelands in the previous four years. The impact of those goals may have an impact, but there were several other factors that contributed to Limerick been down for so long. Among them emigration, lack of any serious chances for hurlers to get employment, unlike in Cork where every Bank, Insurance Firm, Auctioneering company or Building Society always had Cork Hurlers employed. Apart from Cork, then as now, always about times more men playing that Limerick had, or even have now.
(2) Anyway, the rot in Limerick had started back in the late forties, when over zealous club rivalry split the county and one massive incident had horrible consequences."
Cork were poor in late 1950's and early 1960's. Between 1954 to 1966 no all Ireland's won. The dominant team was undoubtedly Tipperary, a county where emigration was a big factor. Cork shipped repeated big losses against them in Munster finals '64 and '65 . We won all Ireland in '66 and gained revenge against Tipp in '69 . The glory years for Cork were 1970's, we dominated Munster and achieved several all Ireland wins, when the city economically was in depression due to closure of Ford's and Dunlop's. Limerick won in '73, were always competitive, but up to a few years ago, always fell a bit short!

Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 27/07/2021 11:49:56    2364637

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Replying To PatOLogical:  "No worries ..won't take this is too seriously. The big 3 may now well be the big 6. The problem seems to be in the unwillingness for the old big 3 to accept the upstarts on the scene. A few pundits come to mind immediately here,but you hear them all as well as I do. Get used to it... we're about the place and we're gonna be about the place."
We could be in for a period of Limerick dominance not seen since Mick Mackey and his 1930's team. Although well before my time,heard many stories on his exploits. The pundits and bookies have Limerick as certain winners this year.. . Bookies are rarely wrong!

Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 27/07/2021 12:17:32    2364650

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "We disagree at times, even at the base of this issue, but you are dead right about outside managers. Everything Galway ever won was won by Galway Managers and I think Anthony Cunningham did great work, but was a bit unlucky."
There needs to be some serious soul searching in Galway, as yet again they have flattered to deceive, and this year's Championship has been one of the most disappointing in years after an extremely promising league. I feel sorry for Shane O'Neill as he was let down badly my a lot of big name players, although questions can most definitely be asked of his tactics and team selections. You do wonder with Galway as in would a Brian Cody or John Kiely type figure have more success, both managers who have no problem dropping or whipping off underperforming players, which is not something you would ever have associated with Galway managers. There is little or no doubt that Galway underachieve at senior level, and with the structures and talent that they have, this should not be the case. No team has a god given right to win the All Ireland as the Big 3 are now finding out, but there is also no doubt that Galway should be a lot more successful at Senior level than they are. Sadly from a Galway perspective the county board will probably do sweet FA as usual, SON will probably get the blame and be shown the door, but bar a new manager, nothing will change!!

gilly1910 (Galway) - Posts: 170 - 27/07/2021 12:56:48    2364671

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Replying To gilly1910:  "There needs to be some serious soul searching in Galway, as yet again they have flattered to deceive, and this year's Championship has been one of the most disappointing in years after an extremely promising league. I feel sorry for Shane O'Neill as he was let down badly my a lot of big name players, although questions can most definitely be asked of his tactics and team selections. You do wonder with Galway as in would a Brian Cody or John Kiely type figure have more success, both managers who have no problem dropping or whipping off underperforming players, which is not something you would ever have associated with Galway managers. There is little or no doubt that Galway underachieve at senior level, and with the structures and talent that they have, this should not be the case. No team has a god given right to win the All Ireland as the Big 3 are now finding out, but there is also no doubt that Galway should be a lot more successful at Senior level than they are. Sadly from a Galway perspective the county board will probably do sweet FA as usual, SON will probably get the blame and be shown the door, but bar a new manager, nothing will change!!"
Am confused about this big 3 talk! Cork haven't contested an all Ireland since 2006, and have already been written off in the local Cork newspapers. The common refrain is they don't score enough points.. hunting for goals is a fool's errand blah blah blah! As regards Galway, disappointed hugely this year and Canning's impending retirement will be a further blow.

Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 27/07/2021 14:45:31    2364736

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Waterford are appealing the suspension of Conor Gleeson on a technicality and they are right to do so. He deserved that card but the ref was trying to be too cute. He seemly consulted an umpire on leaving the field. Why did he not complete the sending off then ? He obviously had made up his mind before the break was over. So a red, 14 men but another penalty by springing it on Waterford. Red card dismissal during a game gives the team sometime to organize. Like I said before he hi-lighted later what he was about when blowing back for a free when Barron was in the clear heading for goal while ignoring a strike with the stick in the rucus. I have defend referees all the time but his job is not to make a game of it if that was his intent.
There is no certainly the appeal will be upheld but on this occasion Waterford were incensed and not going to take it on the chin.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2660 - 27/07/2021 14:49:20    2364737

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Replying To mr305:  "In '17 Jamie Barron was fully fit and didn't go off that day as you stated. In my humble opinion he was the best player on the pitch. He was nominated for RTE man of the match along with David Burke who won it, but as we know you don't win man of the match if on the losing team.
Maurice Shanahan for Shane Bennett 22 mins; Brian O'Halloran for Dillon 48 mins; Tommy Ryan for Walsh 55 mins; Colin Dunford for Barron 64 mins; Patrick Curran for Kieran Bennett 64 mins."
Jamie Barron was reported as having the flu that week and as your replacement list shows he was taken off after 64 minutes. He definitely was not the man that day that he was in the preceding game in '17, when he was absolutely flying in extra time V KK or V Galway last Sunday. There is no way a fully fit Jamie Barron would have been taken off.
BTW, Peter Kelly was mom in '93, when Galway actually lost- I thought you would know that, you being a Galwegian and all that

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4321 - 27/07/2021 14:56:42    2364741

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Replying To katser:  "If lk are 1/2 to win it outright....I'm dying to know what odds are they to get Knocked out!!! Hmm I'll wait till there Semi Final v Cork!!
Kilkenny v Waterford
Cork v lk.
What a Final that would make.... Waterford v Cork?"
Take heart Katser... you still have the Galway races, not to mention busking on the strand or Eyre Square. Lots of therapy and fresh air out there to ease the pain and while away the summer. Sweet dreams ... Next Year!
Take it from someone who is "not from a hurling county".

PatOLogical (Limerick) - Posts: 1358 - 27/07/2021 14:58:50    2364743

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Replying To PatOLogical:  "Take heart Katser... you still have the Galway races, not to mention busking on the strand or Eyre Square. Lots of therapy and fresh air out there to ease the pain and while away the summer. Sweet dreams ... Next Year!
Take it from someone who is "not from a hurling county"."
PAT 'What oft was said, but ne'er so well expressed'. You just hit all the right notes there.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4321 - 27/07/2021 15:04:21    2364745

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Why would we not have feared Galway at the start of the Championship. (1) they had beaten Limerick, Cork and Waterford in the League (2) They were widely regarded as our closest challengers Last year and they with Kilkenny were widely regarded by more prominent and informed Hurling experts than I ever was, as a team that would do well in the championship. Quite frankly they seemed to be flying right up to the end of the League.
I have also said on more occasions than one that Galway could well be and probably will be the team of this decade, if they can just get a few things right. I still strongly hold that view.
You go on about about JP and his money. Look Cork have had a had huge Tea Magnate supporting them for years and now have an English Billionaire Sponsor, about five times the number of hurlers and about five times the gate receipts in any one year than Limerick ever had. When their pitch was being developed they also got about five times the grants that Limerick to develop their Stadium. . And yet Cork have not an All Ireland in fifteen years. But the likes of you would far prefer to see Cork win ultimate honours that one of the smaller counties like Limerick, or so it appears to me.
Baire, I can also tell that Limerick will be around for just a few years- you will always, as always, have Cork, KK and Tipp to contend with."
Welcome comments and well put again Oldtourman and will just add that along with: "you will always, as always, have Cork, KK and Tipp to contend with", times are a -changin and we might well add Clare and Waterford to the mix and maybe Dublin and Wexford for good measure with a few tweaks and a rub of the green.

One more time in the meantime:
Come On Ye Boys In Green

PatOLogical (Limerick) - Posts: 1358 - 27/07/2021 15:09:59    2364749

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Replying To PatOLogical:  "Take heart Katser... you still have the Galway races, not to mention busking on the strand or Eyre Square. Lots of therapy and fresh air out there to ease the pain and while away the summer. Sweet dreams ... Next Year!
Take it from someone who is "not from a hurling county"."
And if he tires of those pursuits he could always bring the stocks down to Limerick......

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11844 - 27/07/2021 15:34:35    2364760

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There is a lot of white noise about Limerick and JP's sponsorship. Resources and the ability to pay for them is a help. JP cannot go out and play the game between the lines. At the end of the day the players are amateurs and need their jobs to survive. On top of that when finished they do not walk away with an nest egg and any specialized medical help they were getting is gone. You can be sure they carry lots of injuries into retirement. Limerick with volunteers has done the work over the years to get them to where they are. Kilkenny success has been done with modest sponsorship despite they ignoring football. I would like to see all counties have access to equal resources but you need the commitment, a plan, workhorses and above the players to execute. Some people are always looking for negative connotations to explain away success. I guess it is in our genes.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2660 - 27/07/2021 16:00:22    2364773

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Replying To Canuck:  "There is a lot of white noise about Limerick and JP's sponsorship. Resources and the ability to pay for them is a help. JP cannot go out and play the game between the lines. At the end of the day the players are amateurs and need their jobs to survive. On top of that when finished they do not walk away with an nest egg and any specialized medical help they were getting is gone. You can be sure they carry lots of injuries into retirement. Limerick with volunteers has done the work over the years to get them to where they are. Kilkenny success has been done with modest sponsorship despite they ignoring football. I would like to see all counties have access to equal resources but you need the commitment, a plan, workhorses and above the players to execute. Some people are always looking for negative connotations to explain away success. I guess it is in our genes."
Mick Cashman, the former Cork goalkeeper, finished up in crutches as a result of leg injuries sustained from a lifetime of hurling! The sacrifices put out by players cannot be underestimated, yet they endure ridicule and patronizing from an unforgiving public!

Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 27/07/2021 16:36:00    2364788

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Is it a coincidence that a lot of hurling managers are schoolteachers? Limerick manager Kiely and Brian Cody spring to mind as well as ex Cork manager Canon O' Brien. I guess they instill obedience and discipline! Cody has to be the best and most innovative manager ever!

Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 947 - 27/07/2021 16:53:37    2364793

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Replying To Canuck:  "There is a lot of white noise about Limerick and JP's sponsorship. Resources and the ability to pay for them is a help. JP cannot go out and play the game between the lines. At the end of the day the players are amateurs and need their jobs to survive. On top of that when finished they do not walk away with an nest egg and any specialized medical help they were getting is gone. You can be sure they carry lots of injuries into retirement. Limerick with volunteers has done the work over the years to get them to where they are. Kilkenny success has been done with modest sponsorship despite they ignoring football. I would like to see all counties have access to equal resources but you need the commitment, a plan, workhorses and above the players to execute. Some people are always looking for negative connotations to explain away success. I guess it is in our genes."
Exactly.. The reason behind our success is actually fairly simple., after the absolute hammering we got in the all Ireland semi final in 2009, the writing was on the wall..So a serious effort was made by concerned GAA people to identify, train and keep the most talented youngsters in the county through an academy system.

The county board at the time had the humility to listen to what was suggested as the way forward and keep to the admin side of things.. Egos were not allowed get in the way.

Having UL as a base was a God send as its a top venue but the idea that success is because JP suddenly starting pumping in money is nonsense.. This isn't premier league soccer where you can just buy a player.

Kyle Hayes comes from a club that was junior for over 70 years, had to amalgamate with another parish to keep going and only recently won promotion from intermediate. Point is guys like him were identified and developed.. Kiely had the attributes needed to gel things together but huge work had gone in for years before he took over... We're very fortunate in Limerick at the moment and appreciate every second of it because we know it won't last.. We were down for long enough to know what it's like.

skillet (Limerick) - Posts: 1062 - 27/07/2021 17:01:00    2364799

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Replying To Canuck:  "There is a lot of white noise about Limerick and JP's sponsorship. Resources and the ability to pay for them is a help. JP cannot go out and play the game between the lines. At the end of the day the players are amateurs and need their jobs to survive. On top of that when finished they do not walk away with an nest egg and any specialized medical help they were getting is gone. You can be sure they carry lots of injuries into retirement. Limerick with volunteers has done the work over the years to get them to where they are. Kilkenny success has been done with modest sponsorship despite they ignoring football. I would like to see all counties have access to equal resources but you need the commitment, a plan, workhorses and above the players to execute. Some people are always looking for negative connotations to explain away success. I guess it is in our genes."
canuck money helps but hard work is the name of the game here in limerick with coaching for the last 10-12 years.....limerick minors are playing cork in the munster semi final ( and up against it from what im hearing) if they win tonight will be contesting their 8th munster minor final in 9 years and winning 4 ......of the present senior team 10 have came from those minor teams plus 3 or 4 subs.

munsterchamps (Limerick) - Posts: 1097 - 27/07/2021 17:13:29    2364802

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Replying To Rockies:  "Is it a coincidence that a lot of hurling managers are schoolteachers? Limerick manager Kiely and Brian Cody spring to mind as well as ex Cork manager Canon O' Brien. I guess they instill obedience and discipline! Cody has to be the best and most innovative manager ever!"
Think the holidays help too! Derek McGrath is a teacher also. Along with alot of current intercounty players!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11844 - 27/07/2021 17:27:15    2364806

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I'd just like a raise a point on the GAA "promoting Hurling".
Both the Lory Meagher and Nicky Rackard cup finals are on this Saturday. The GAA in its infinite wisdom has decided to schedule the throw in times at times which clash with both All Ireland Quarter finals.
How in the name of all that is good and holy is this promoting Hurling in lower counties? Its absolutly shambolic. Shame on the GAA showing such disrespect to people involved with these finals.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1908 - 27/07/2021 17:49:12    2364819

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Replying To skillet:  "Exactly.. The reason behind our success is actually fairly simple., after the absolute hammering we got in the all Ireland semi final in 2009, the writing was on the wall..So a serious effort was made by concerned GAA people to identify, train and keep the most talented youngsters in the county through an academy system.

The county board at the time had the humility to listen to what was suggested as the way forward and keep to the admin side of things.. Egos were not allowed get in the way.

Having UL as a base was a God send as its a top venue but the idea that success is because JP suddenly starting pumping in money is nonsense.. This isn't premier league soccer where you can just buy a player.

Kyle Hayes comes from a club that was junior for over 70 years, had to amalgamate with another parish to keep going and only recently won promotion from intermediate. Point is guys like him were identified and developed.. Kiely had the attributes needed to gel things together but huge work had gone in for years before he took over... We're very fortunate in Limerick at the moment and appreciate every second of it because we know it won't last.. We were down for long enough to know what it's like."
Enjoy it while it last and there will always be negativity. Ask Kilkenny or Dublin. Not a huge cats fan but always admire how they go about their business. They play tough and take it tough. I honestly cannot say certainly in the past, they try to get a player off. This playing on the edge is a joke. The rules are there and it is not players who decide how they are applied. Limerick could have had a couple of players red carded the last day but you know what, there are probable incidents in most games that is the case. The only crib I have is inconsistency. Limerick are masters at present and good luck to them if we can't get across the line.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2660 - 27/07/2021 18:16:00    2364827

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