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Mayo fans are famous for booing the opposition, it's childish and trampish behaviour, if I heard any of our supporters at it I'd tell them to shut up and have manners.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 1747 - 19/06/2021 10:35:34    2351962

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Replying To Soma:  "I'd agree with much of that but there was a Monaghan poster up there who seems to think their ability to stay in Division 1 is in part due to him being 'brave' enough to boo the opposition. That's not an attitude I'd be keen to see develop in the GAA, hopefully the next time that poster does it at a game there is someone close by with enough sense to tell him to cop onto himself."
Yea, my point is that every county has it's share of ignorant supporters. I have lived in Dublin, Wicklow, Laois, Monaghan and Sligo and except for Wicklow have been involved with the GAA in each County, vast majority of supporters in all are sound but there is always the noisy minority who I think are best ignored rather than confronted.

sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 383 - 19/06/2021 12:46:41    2351999

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Replying To Soma:  "I'd agree with much of that but there was a Monaghan poster up there who seems to think their ability to stay in Division 1 is in part due to him being 'brave' enough to boo the opposition. That's not an attitude I'd be keen to see develop in the GAA, hopefully the next time that poster does it at a game there is someone close by with enough sense to tell him to cop onto himself."
You clearly have not been to ulster finals or been to big ulster games in omagh or even in croke Park where the hill continuously boo and jeer the free kick takers. I never talked about booing kept us in div 1. I just made the point that in salthill that day shane walshe and co couldn't really handle it when taking frees and Galway fans couldn't understand why monaghan fans were doing it.

monaghanmad (Monaghan) - Posts: 259 - 19/06/2021 14:26:17    2352013

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "
Replying To AfricanGael:  "[quote=Lockjaw:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=baire:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "Noticed that alright, what would you expect from an Ulster team though. They're all special, apart from Down who are the only team in Ulster who could ever play football."
There are and have been some great footballers in Ulster, in every province and in every county but some players are more sporting in victory than others, it's not a provincial thing. I would like to think that mature and experienced players would set a good example."
In my experience every county and province is different, the same as every person is different, some counties have what you would call "friendly" rivalries, others are just bitter people and there's a lot of hatred and bitterness in Ulster, believe me.

The two biggest hate filled merchants are Tyrone and Donegal, neither of which would be renowned as being able to play anything bar muck ball. With outside coaches, perhaps that will change in time.

They say the style of football a county plays can often reflect the people of the county, there may or may not be some truth in that.

Always found the Down lads to be very decent people, well spoken as well, maybe their stylish football and swagger reflects that also.

They won All-Irelands by playing football and will a smile on their faces, proper ballers those lads, not muck men."]What an utterly reprehensible post.

I'm not even going to respond any further than that."]If I was from Donegal or Tyrone, I wouldn't say anything either. I'll tell you what's utterly reprehensible, the damage both your counties done to the game of football.

"]Just to come back to this post, and I realise I've backtracked somewhat on my earlier post in saying that I wouldn't react to what is, unquestionably a frankly ridiculous point.

But my God, whatever about an opinion on football, but to somehow conflate a view on footballing tactics to a general county wide generalisation on their people as a whole?

I don't know where you are based. You have a vague 'African Gael' persona on here. But I would suggest you take a look at the national news today and have a look at what many people in Donegal are going through at the minute with regard to their homes crumbling down around them.

Then for you to casually float the notion on here that our football teams tactics are somehow equivalent to general attitudes of the counties people as a whole?

Absolutely reprehensible as I've already said."]How you managed to drag in people who's houses are falling down is a backs against the wall defensive move that McGuinness would have been proud of and just reinforces my point.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1946 - 19/06/2021 14:41:44    2352018

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Gaelic football attracts the worst types in society and every county has it's fair share of ignorant muck men but Ulster seems to have a higher percentage of them for some reason, it's reflected on this forum also.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1946 - 19/06/2021 15:18:48    2352021

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "Gaelic football attracts the worst types in society and every county has it's fair share of ignorant muck men but Ulster seems to have a higher percentage of them for some reason, it's reflected on this forum also."
Your posts are boring, tiresome, generalisations.

sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 383 - 19/06/2021 16:10:40    2352030

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Replying To sligo joe:  "
Replying To AfricanGael:  "Gaelic football attracts the worst types in society and every county has it's fair share of ignorant muck men but Ulster seems to have a higher percentage of them for some reason, it's reflected on this forum also."
Your posts are boring, tiresome, generalisations."
Ignore him sligo joe. He's a bluffer. He's only looking for attention.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 5619 - 19/06/2021 16:20:29    2352031

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Replying To monaghanmad:  "You clearly have not been to ulster finals or been to big ulster games in omagh or even in croke Park where the hill continuously boo and jeer the free kick takers. I never talked about booing kept us in div 1. I just made the point that in salthill that day shane walshe and co couldn't really handle it when taking frees and Galway fans couldn't understand why monaghan fans were doing it."
I have indeed, and the booing is something the day would be better without - Id head across the water for a soccer game if I was after that type stuff. It's something that has crept into Ulster finals over the years, I don't remember it being much of a thing in the 1990s. Funnily enough the performance of Ulster teams at all levels in the 1990s was much better than over the past decade. Yet you seem to be of the view it gives the team more resilience that means they are better equipped to stay in Division 1, tis an odd way of thinking. Would you be proud of yourself when booing the opposition at all?

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2612 - 19/06/2021 18:02:58    2352046

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Replying To baire:  "My initial point was about the need for leaders to set a good example for younger players. I was disappointed with McManus, taken aback tbh, because I always admired him as a player but to see him goading a young fella from the Aran Islands at the end of that game sent out the wrong message about sportsmanship. When one considers the background to that game and the journey that players had to make individually to Clones, during a pandemic, the least we'd expect at the end of the game is a handshake or the Covid equivalent. I'll say no more about it. Good luck to Monaghan in the championship."
The abuse McManus takes in every game .....including the Galway game...is something else.

Shelbourne1 (Monaghan) - Posts: 260 - 19/06/2021 19:20:00    2352061

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Replying To monaghanmad:  "We feel your pain. We are the masters of letting it slip, now I know how kerry, fermanagh, down, doengal etc feel when we have let it slip in recent years too"
Yes I hear you. I was in Clones in 18 for Clifford's late equalising goal. Monaghan were the better team and should ve won. Yes Monaghan definately left it slip.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 2712 - 19/06/2021 21:08:49    2352072

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Replying To Shelbourne1:  "The abuse McManus takes in every game .....including the Galway game...is something else."
Too right. Been going on for good few seasons now. He always confronts it head on himself though, as anyone that ever marked him will attest to, because he very often gets little protection from officials. Some of the self righteous biased clowns on here only want to see it one way. Some of the mickey mouse managers still think "stop Mc Manus equals stop Monaghan".
The more knowledgeable Galway posters on here questioned why Mc Carron was not stopped from essentially being the difference on the day, scoring 5 from play including the winner, I hesitate to suggest poor management and a limited evaluation of the opposition was why they were caught. I wish Galway the best in the championship and I believe they are good enough to win Connaught if they get on with it. A culture of whinging and feeling sorry for yourself can transfer from the management down through the team though, it's definitely not evident in the clubs that I seen first hand in recent years, serious talent there.

mhunicean_abu (Monaghan) - Posts: 929 - 19/06/2021 21:36:02    2352075

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Replying To mhunicean_abu:  "Too right. Been going on for good few seasons now. He always confronts it head on himself though, as anyone that ever marked him will attest to, because he very often gets little protection from officials. Some of the self righteous biased clowns on here only want to see it one way. Some of the mickey mouse managers still think "stop Mc Manus equals stop Monaghan".
The more knowledgeable Galway posters on here questioned why Mc Carron was not stopped from essentially being the difference on the day, scoring 5 from play including the winner, I hesitate to suggest poor management and a limited evaluation of the opposition was why they were caught. I wish Galway the best in the championship and I believe they are good enough to win Connaught if they get on with it. A culture of whinging and feeling sorry for yourself can transfer from the management down through the team though, it's definitely not evident in the clubs that I seen first hand in recent years, serious talent there."
Not sure about all this abuse that players are getting. Surely in recent years, while definitely mistakes are made and some off the ball fouls are missed, in general players have never been more protected from foul play. Not denying that top forwards like McManus do get a lot of close marking and some of the illegal off the ball stuff is missed but on the other hand when in possession these same top class forwards do get soft borderline calls in their favour more often than your lesser players and indeed has it been unkown for them to "buy" a free or two??

sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 383 - 20/06/2021 08:18:10    2352099

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Replying To sligo joe:  "Not sure about all this abuse that players are getting. Surely in recent years, while definitely mistakes are made and some off the ball fouls are missed, in general players have never been more protected from foul play. Not denying that top forwards like McManus do get a lot of close marking and some of the illegal off the ball stuff is missed but on the other hand when in possession these same top class forwards do get soft borderline calls in their favour more often than your lesser players and indeed has it been unkown for them to "buy" a free or two??"
Spoken like a true defender Joe. Seriously though although I was a forward I would agree that certain forwards get frees easier than others. The marquee forwards so to speak but on the other hand the big guys find it alot harder to get frees. I know I've my Kerry hat on here but I've seen Donaghy pulled dragged stood on so many times and the percentage of frees he hot was very small. Michael Murphy and Aidan Ó Shea suffer from same problem as did Colin Corkery years ago.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 2712 - 20/06/2021 10:56:51    2352118

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "
Replying To AfricanGael:  "[quote=Lockjaw:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=baire:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "Noticed that alright, what would you expect from an Ulster team though. They're all special, apart from Down who are the only team in Ulster who could ever play football."
There are and have been some great footballers in Ulster, in every province and in every county but some players are more sporting in victory than others, it's not a provincial thing. I would like to think that mature and experienced players would set a good example."
In my experience every county and province is different, the same as every person is different, some counties have what you would call "friendly" rivalries, others are just bitter people and there's a lot of hatred and bitterness in Ulster, believe me.

The two biggest hate filled merchants are Tyrone and Donegal, neither of which would be renowned as being able to play anything bar muck ball. With outside coaches, perhaps that will change in time.

They say the style of football a county plays can often reflect the people of the county, there may or may not be some truth in that.

Always found the Down lads to be very decent people, well spoken as well, maybe their stylish football and swagger reflects that also.

They won All-Irelands by playing football and will a smile on their faces, proper ballers those lads, not muck men."]What an utterly reprehensible post.

I'm not even going to respond any further than that."]If I was from Donegal or Tyrone, I wouldn't say anything either. I'll tell you what's utterly reprehensible, the damage both your counties done to the game of football.

"]Just to come back to this post, and I realise I've backtracked somewhat on my earlier post in saying that I wouldn't react to what is, unquestionably a frankly ridiculous point.

But my God, whatever about an opinion on football, but to somehow conflate a view on footballing tactics to a general county wide generalisation on their people as a whole?

I don't know where you are based. You have a vague 'African Gael' persona on here. But I would suggest you take a look at the national news today and have a look at what many people in Donegal are going through at the minute with regard to their homes crumbling down around them.

Then for you to casually float the notion on here that our football teams tactics are somehow equivalent to general attitudes of the counties people as a whole?

Absolutely reprehensible as I've already said."]Of course I have sympathy for the people who's houses are crumbling and believe they should be compensated 100%.

The only issue I would have with it is that I believe it's the block manufacturer and ultimately it's insurer who should foot the bill, and not the tax payer.

If you bought a new car and it had a major fault because of a manufacturing issue, you wouldn't expect the tax payer to buy you a new car would you ?

Just curious if or why hasn't a class action been instigated versus the manufacturer, is it because they are a Donegal company ?

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1946 - 20/06/2021 11:05:43    2352120

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "Spoken like a true defender Joe. Seriously though although I was a forward I would agree that certain forwards get frees easier than others. The marquee forwards so to speak but on the other hand the big guys find it alot harder to get frees. I know I've my Kerry hat on here but I've seen Donaghy pulled dragged stood on so many times and the percentage of frees he hot was very small. Michael Murphy and Aidan Ó Shea suffer from same problem as did Colin Corkery years ago."
No doubt refs seem to offer less protection to the big guys in general but funny enough of the four examples you give I do think Donaghy was as much a beneficiary as a victim of referees errors. No doubt he was regularly pulled and mauled with no free given but he had great spatial awareness and was really adept at making space for colleagues by illegally blocking defenders, part of the game I suppose.

sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 383 - 20/06/2021 20:42:44    2352225

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Replying To sligo joe:  "No doubt refs seem to offer less protection to the big guys in general but funny enough of the four examples you give I do think Donaghy was as much a beneficiary as a victim of referees errors. No doubt he was regularly pulled and mauled with no free given but he had great spatial awareness and was really adept at making space for colleagues by illegally blocking defenders, part of the game I suppose."
He was good at using his body alright but I recall a few occasions he was blatantly fouled in the square but no penalties given. I'm not sure he ever got one. If it was a smaller player I reckon result would be different. I also think that Michael Murphy and Aidan Ó Shea are the two most fouled players I've seen over the last few years.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 2712 - 20/06/2021 21:52:35    2352247

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "He was good at using his body alright but I recall a few occasions he was blatantly fouled in the square but no penalties given. I'm not sure he ever got one. If it was a smaller player I reckon result would be different. I also think that Michael Murphy and Aidan Ó Shea are the two most fouled players I've seen over the last few years."
Well on that, two points. Agree definitely re occasions where Kieran Donaghy was denied penalties. Also agree Murphy and O'Shea get fouled a lot but I think also they are right up there when as regards being awarded frees. Of course a third point, I'm not sure it's all about size, like Fenton is bigger than either of them and while I know he is more an out and out midfielder he seldom gets fouled. Maybe Murphy and O'Shea, especially the latter have a penchant for carrying the ball into heavy traffic.

sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 383 - 21/06/2021 08:01:08    2352270

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You see I think Donaghy probably riled the old referees with all the commotion and bawling he was at every chance he got. Referees would get tired of a fella at that lark all day.

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 21/06/2021 13:54:41    2352377

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Replying To sligo joe:  "Well on that, two points. Agree definitely re occasions where Kieran Donaghy was denied penalties. Also agree Murphy and O'Shea get fouled a lot but I think also they are right up there when as regards being awarded frees. Of course a third point, I'm not sure it's all about size, like Fenton is bigger than either of them and while I know he is more an out and out midfielder he seldom gets fouled. Maybe Murphy and O'Shea, especially the latter have a penchant for carrying the ball into heavy traffic."
fair enough but i should have said when Murphy Donaghy and O shea were in at full forward they found it hard to get frees.im sure in Fenton was in Ff he would be in a similar position.I should have clarified really that i meant full forward line and i do believe the smaller players in there get handier frees

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 2712 - 21/06/2021 15:07:29    2352404

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "fair enough but i should have said when Murphy Donaghy and O shea were in at full forward they found it hard to get frees.im sure in Fenton was in Ff he would be in a similar position.I should have clarified really that i meant full forward line and i do believe the smaller players in there get handier frees"
I'd agree in general, as I've seen Damien Comer fouled regularly without getting a free. At the same time, he and O'Shea play a game which involves taking on an opponent directly and carrying the ball into a tackle. O'Shea regularly looks for contact when he would often be better moving the ball quickly. Comer himself can try to take too much on further out the pitch, but he's at hìs best taking defenders on closer to goal.
Smaller players are usually trying to avoid contact, so any contact that does come is more likely to have been a foul.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 1133 - 21/06/2021 15:44:37    2352416

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