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Monaghan V Galway

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Galway were 5 points up with a couple of minutes to go with Monaghan not scoring for 20 minutes along with Galway missing countless easy points and goal opportunities. Should have been 10 points clear down the straight so clearly the narrative was how did Galway threw it away.

Monaghan though showed great character and persistence to keep on going when they looked dead and buried and all Galway people wish them luck for the championship in what looks like the most wide open Ulster championship in years.

TheBishop (Galway) - Posts: 118 - 16/06/2021 12:29:11    2351393

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Replying To kiloughter:  "In fairness most Galway posters have acknowledged Monaghan's victory on its own merits. The reason we lost was because we let it slip."
We feel your pain. We are the masters of letting it slip, now I know how kerry, fermanagh, down, doengal etc feel when we have let it slip in recent years too

monaghanmad (Monaghan) - Posts: 259 - 16/06/2021 13:48:48    2351416

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Replying To TheBishop:  "Galway were 5 points up with a couple of minutes to go with Monaghan not scoring for 20 minutes along with Galway missing countless easy points and goal opportunities. Should have been 10 points clear down the straight so clearly the narrative was how did Galway threw it away.

Monaghan though showed great character and persistence to keep on going when they looked dead and buried and all Galway people wish them luck for the championship in what looks like the most wide open Ulster championship in years."
We had 2 black cards which was a huge factor in that period .......our fault of course ?

Shelbourne1 (Monaghan) - Posts: 260 - 16/06/2021 13:49:26    2351417

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Replying To baire:  "Monaghan were excited understandably at the final whistle, and fair play to them for winning it. Excitement and celebration is one thing, goading is a different animal. I don't care what county wins, if it were my own county and if I saw Galway players goading their opponents at the final whistle I'd say the same thing. My generation didn't tolerate that type of behaviour. It's hard enough for a team to deal with defeat, to deal with their own 'supporters' afterwards not to have their noses rubbed in it by their opponents at the final whistle. I don't recall that type of behaviour in the 60s or 70s."
So goading is allowed during the game but not at the final whistle ? Both wrong in my opinion ! Watch the game back & you'd see goading from Galway players during the game !

Shelbourne1 (Monaghan) - Posts: 260 - 16/06/2021 13:55:40    2351418

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Replying To kiloughter:  "In fairness most Galway posters have acknowledged Monaghan's victory on its own merits. The reason we lost was because we let it slip."
Galway built up a lead when we were a man down. Have to take that into consideration, look what happened when Galway went a man down. It matters greatly !

Shelbourne1 (Monaghan) - Posts: 260 - 16/06/2021 14:01:09    2351422

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There's no doubt Galway should have seen the game out given the position they were in with 5 minutes to go, but some of the reaction has been so one-sided it's pretty funny actually. You'd swear we had a 100% strike rate whereas it was Galway who had all the wides. We missed several shots you'd expect us to normally slot over, and didn't take a couple of good goal chances early on. Truth is we were well below par for most of the game. Galway should have been able to see the game out, but we should never have allowed them into such a commanding position, and we should have been punished for it in fairness.

Listen, these things always come around, some days you get the luck and others you don't. In the Donegal game we were on the other side of things where we had the game in our hands yet allowed Donegal back in, and they punished us. I'd have to go back and check, but the reaction to that seemed to more evenly balanced about what a great game it was, and how Donegal got back into it. I don't think it was all about "How on earth did Monaghan not win?", like it is for Galway now.

patk (Monaghan) - Posts: 906 - 16/06/2021 14:51:59    2351437

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Replying To Shelbourne1:  "So goading is allowed during the game but not at the final whistle ? Both wrong in my opinion ! Watch the game back & you'd see goading from Galway players during the game !"
Goading is allowed during the game? I never said that as you well know.

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1076 - 16/06/2021 16:22:59    2351456

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "Noticed that alright, what would you expect from an Ulster team though. They're all special, apart from Down who are the only team in Ulster who could ever play football."
Hahaha You must never have seen one of the most famous goading scenes ever with Gregory McCartan goading the whole of Hill16 after Down beat the Dubs in 1994

Farney (Monaghan) - Posts: 752 - 16/06/2021 20:05:36    2351496

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Replying To Shelbourne1:  "Galway built up a lead when we were a man down. Have to take that into consideration, look what happened when Galway went a man down. It matters greatly !"
We actually built the lead before your 1st black card at the start of the 2nd half. During that 10 minutes we didn't extend our lead at all. Many are pointing out that we lost a 5 point lead late on, but a big failure on our part was not extending the lead when we had the extra man. We passed up a lot of good opportunities, in particular goal chances.
However, it was far from a one-sided game. It was very competitive from throw-in to the final whistle. We edged it in terms of chances created, with a few of those being goal chances, but there wasn't much between the sides. Monaghan more than deserved their win.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 1133 - 16/06/2021 22:15:39    2351519

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Replying To WanPintWin:  "We actually built the lead before your 1st black card at the start of the 2nd half. During that 10 minutes we didn't extend our lead at all. Many are pointing out that we lost a 5 point lead late on, but a big failure on our part was not extending the lead when we had the extra man. We passed up a lot of good opportunities, in particular goal chances.
However, it was far from a one-sided game. It was very competitive from throw-in to the final whistle. We edged it in terms of chances created, with a few of those being goal chances, but there wasn't much between the sides. Monaghan more than deserved their win."
Galway chucked it away
Those players need a kick up the hole

tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 869 - 17/06/2021 03:08:16    2351547

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Replying To baire:  "Goading is allowed during the game? I never said that as you well know."
Then why not criticize goading during the game as well ........suits your bias ?....I condemn both !

Shelbourne1 (Monaghan) - Posts: 260 - 17/06/2021 19:09:35    2351709

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Replying To Shelbourne1:  "Then why not criticize goading during the game as well ........suits your bias ?....I condemn both !"
My initial point was about the need for leaders to set a good example for younger players. I was disappointed with McManus, taken aback tbh, because I always admired him as a player but to see him goading a young fella from the Aran Islands at the end of that game sent out the wrong message about sportsmanship. When one considers the background to that game and the journey that players had to make individually to Clones, during a pandemic, the least we'd expect at the end of the game is a handshake or the Covid equivalent. I'll say no more about it. Good luck to Monaghan in the championship.

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1076 - 18/06/2021 11:01:46    2351813

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Replying To baire:  "My initial point was about the need for leaders to set a good example for younger players. I was disappointed with McManus, taken aback tbh, because I always admired him as a player but to see him goading a young fella from the Aran Islands at the end of that game sent out the wrong message about sportsmanship. When one considers the background to that game and the journey that players had to make individually to Clones, during a pandemic, the least we'd expect at the end of the game is a handshake or the Covid equivalent. I'll say no more about it. Good luck to Monaghan in the championship."
I remember the super 8s game in saltill, Shane walsh was taking frees and the whole stadium rang round in jeers and boos, I think he missed a few that day too walsh. Some of the Galway supporters were amazed and disgusted at the monaghan supporters booing walsh taking the frees. I just thought that they were so soft after that, if only some of the Galway supporters were in omagh that year and seen the abuse Mc manus was subjected to from the crowd and even Murphy in the ulster final that year or any ulster final. It was a whole different mindset where monaghan supporters thought it was natural to support their team by jeering whereas the Galway supporters wanted a minutes silence. In essence that is the reason why we have the resilience to stay in div 1. Hopefully the clare, offally, and roscommon players don't say anything to the poor lad from the aran Islands next year or else he will never come on the mainland again!!!!

monaghanmad (Monaghan) - Posts: 259 - 18/06/2021 13:34:33    2351850

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Replying To baire:  "My initial point was about the need for leaders to set a good example for younger players. I was disappointed with McManus, taken aback tbh, because I always admired him as a player but to see him goading a young fella from the Aran Islands at the end of that game sent out the wrong message about sportsmanship. When one considers the background to that game and the journey that players had to make individually to Clones, during a pandemic, the least we'd expect at the end of the game is a handshake or the Covid equivalent. I'll say no more about it. Good luck to Monaghan in the championship."
Replying To baire: "I used to admire McManus and some of the other Monaghan forwards but I wasn't impressed with their goading of young fellas at the end of that game last Sunday, very poor form tbh."
Not seeing that your " initial point was about the need for leaders to set a good example for younger players' ??
Perhaps it's subliminal ….
I think you are right to say no more about it

greysoil (Monaghan) - Posts: 908 - 18/06/2021 14:14:37    2351853

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Replying To monaghanmad:  "I remember the super 8s game in saltill, Shane walsh was taking frees and the whole stadium rang round in jeers and boos, I think he missed a few that day too walsh. Some of the Galway supporters were amazed and disgusted at the monaghan supporters booing walsh taking the frees. I just thought that they were so soft after that, if only some of the Galway supporters were in omagh that year and seen the abuse Mc manus was subjected to from the crowd and even Murphy in the ulster final that year or any ulster final. It was a whole different mindset where monaghan supporters thought it was natural to support their team by jeering whereas the Galway supporters wanted a minutes silence. In essence that is the reason why we have the resilience to stay in div 1. Hopefully the clare, offally, and roscommon players don't say anything to the poor lad from the aran Islands next year or else he will never come on the mainland again!!!!"
I'd admire the Galway supporters for that, there is a difference between supporting your own team and jeering or abusing the opposition. The Galway supporters haven't made anything about the refereeing in the build up to the Monaghan goal on Sunday either, considering it was the vital moment in the game they would be well entitled to be on here moaning about it. Maybe it's this type of thing that sees Galway teams and their clubs as contenders most years for most of the All-Irelands there to be won.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2612 - 18/06/2021 16:41:48    2351876

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Replying To Soma:  "I'd admire the Galway supporters for that, there is a difference between supporting your own team and jeering or abusing the opposition. The Galway supporters haven't made anything about the refereeing in the build up to the Monaghan goal on Sunday either, considering it was the vital moment in the game they would be well entitled to be on here moaning about it. Maybe it's this type of thing that sees Galway teams and their clubs as contenders most years for most of the All-Irelands there to be won."
Myself I don't believe any county's players or fans have a monopoly on the virtues or indeed vices of the games. All counties have their moaners, gloaters and goaders, sometimes our individual views are just maybe a bit biased when we see just the bad in others and the good in ourselves.

sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 383 - 18/06/2021 19:31:15    2351902

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Replying To sligo joe:  "Myself I don't believe any county's players or fans have a monopoly on the virtues or indeed vices of the games. All counties have their moaners, gloaters and goaders, sometimes our individual views are just maybe a bit biased when we see just the bad in others and the good in ourselves."
Tyrone are bad though in fairness

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 916 - 18/06/2021 20:14:24    2351910

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Replying To sligo joe:  "Myself I don't believe any county's players or fans have a monopoly on the virtues or indeed vices of the games. All counties have their moaners, gloaters and goaders, sometimes our individual views are just maybe a bit biased when we see just the bad in others and the good in ourselves."
Well said Joe. We all tend to make excuses for our own but wrong is wrong no matter where
you ré from.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 2712 - 18/06/2021 20:27:59    2351914

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "Well said Joe. We all tend to make excuses for our own but wrong is wrong no matter where
you ré from."
Totally agree & as you Dublin supporters know even the greatest can go rogue & play offside. Wrong is wrong.

P.Mckenna (Louth) - Posts: 72 - 18/06/2021 21:36:02    2351924

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Replying To sligo joe:  "Myself I don't believe any county's players or fans have a monopoly on the virtues or indeed vices of the games. All counties have their moaners, gloaters and goaders, sometimes our individual views are just maybe a bit biased when we see just the bad in others and the good in ourselves."
I'd agree with much of that but there was a Monaghan poster up there who seems to think their ability to stay in Division 1 is in part due to him being 'brave' enough to boo the opposition. That's not an attitude I'd be keen to see develop in the GAA, hopefully the next time that poster does it at a game there is someone close by with enough sense to tell him to cop onto himself.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2612 - 18/06/2021 22:29:01    2351933

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