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I'm watching the euros on tv and it's fantastic to see crowds at games..2 matches in croke park this weekend,2500 being left into both,capacity is 82 000,who came up with that figure?it doesn't make sense to me anyway so maybe I'm stupid..this thing of triai events,not really,no testing of any sort..why are we so far behind?i got to a few club games in last week,people did social distance,had masks and hands were being sanitized..so why such small numbers in these massive stadiums and all in the open air..I know there are people whoo disagree but that is what the forum is about,different opinions..

CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 1375 - 18/06/2021 17:04:42    2351880

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Replying To CTGAA10:  "I'm watching the euros on tv and it's fantastic to see crowds at games..2 matches in croke park this weekend,2500 being left into both,capacity is 82 000,who came up with that figure?it doesn't make sense to me anyway so maybe I'm stupid..this thing of triai events,not really,no testing of any sort..why are we so far behind?i got to a few club games in last week,people did social distance,had masks and hands were being sanitized..so why such small numbers in these massive stadiums and all in the open air..I know there are people whoo disagree but that is what the forum is about,different opinions.."
Its one of the first trials. even with the biggest of stadiums you werent going to see huge crowds going in

in a few weeks time we will have 3/4000 at games.
The capacity is irrelevant to some extent.

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 2531 - 18/06/2021 17:47:58    2351885

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Skillet. If there was only say 3,000 allowed into say the Cork/Limerick, how would you decide who to give the tickets to. I can see holy war at club and county Board level, when that time comes."
Have there never been any ticket sell outs before ? Is this a new thing for Covid ?

lionofludesch (Down) - Posts: 473 - 18/06/2021 18:37:49    2351893

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "
Replying To Galway9801:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "Nobody would have been sick if we wiped Covid out and had closed the borders, that's the whole point."
But we didn't wipe it out, it's been here since February 2020 and at no stage did we come close to wiping it out.
If the news papers and media were to be believed, even one infected person walking around freely could end up with half the country testing positive within a month, unless they were exaggerating (perish the thought).
So yeah, we'll put the internal holidaying in the "maybe" pile."
You're incorrect there, we were down to single digit cases around this time last year, so yes it was nearly wiped out. It was open borders which drove the numbers through the roof."]The thing about cases is - it's just the reported ones.

Lots go unreported. Often because the carrier has no symptoms. I've had Covid myself. I'd never have known if it hadn't been for coming up positive at a routine test.

It's no surprise to me that cases went up when we started doing more testing.

lionofludesch (Down) - Posts: 473 - 18/06/2021 18:42:42    2351895

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Replying To Galway9801:  "
Replying To AfricanGael:  "[quote=Galway9801:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "Nobody would have been sick if we wiped Covid out and had closed the borders, that's the whole point."
But we didn't wipe it out, it's been here since February 2020 and at no stage did we come close to wiping it out.
If the news papers and media were to be believed, even one infected person walking around freely could end up with half the country testing positive within a month, unless they were exaggerating (perish the thought).
So yeah, we'll put the internal holidaying in the "maybe" pile."
You're incorrect there, we were down to single digit cases around this time last year, so yes it was nearly wiped out. It was open borders which drove the numbers through the roof."]Single digit figures, as in positive cases? Or deaths?
No way was it positive cases. There was never a time throughout the pandemic that we were told we should be anything but terrified, who am I to believe, you, or the msm? (well, probably you in fairness lol)
If it was open borders, then why were people blaming the GAA celebrations for it?"]June 28th 2020, number of new cases reported in Ireland: (1), yes one.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1946 - 18/06/2021 19:39:04    2351904

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Replying To lionofludesch:  "
Replying To AfricanGael:  "[quote=Galway9801:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "Nobody would have been sick if we wiped Covid out and had closed the borders, that's the whole point."
But we didn't wipe it out, it's been here since February 2020 and at no stage did we come close to wiping it out.
If the news papers and media were to be believed, even one infected person walking around freely could end up with half the country testing positive within a month, unless they were exaggerating (perish the thought).
So yeah, we'll put the internal holidaying in the "maybe" pile."
You're incorrect there, we were down to single digit cases around this time last year, so yes it was nearly wiped out. It was open borders which drove the numbers through the roof."]The thing about cases is - it's just the reported ones.

Lots go unreported. Often because the carrier has no symptoms. I've had Covid myself. I'd never have known if it hadn't been for coming up positive at a routine test.

It's no surprise to me that cases went up when we started doing more testing."]I know that, but we can only go on known data and the fact that hospitalizations were very low last June would also indicate that the infection numbers in the general population were low as well, whether all cases were reported or not.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1946 - 18/06/2021 19:45:47    2351905

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "
Replying To Galway9801:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=Galway9801:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "Nobody would have been sick if we wiped Covid out and had closed the borders, that's the whole point."
But we didn't wipe it out, it's been here since February 2020 and at no stage did we come close to wiping it out.
If the news papers and media were to be believed, even one infected person walking around freely could end up with half the country testing positive within a month, unless they were exaggerating (perish the thought).
So yeah, we'll put the internal holidaying in the "maybe" pile."
You're incorrect there, we were down to single digit cases around this time last year, so yes it was nearly wiped out. It was open borders which drove the numbers through the roof."]Single digit figures, as in positive cases? Or deaths?
No way was it positive cases. There was never a time throughout the pandemic that we were told we should be anything but terrified, who am I to believe, you, or the msm? (well, probably you in fairness lol)
If it was open borders, then why were people blaming the GAA celebrations for it?"]June 28th 2020, number of new cases reported in Ireland: (1), yes one."]Weren't the icu wards stretched to their very limit then? Nurses etc under intense pressure?
Also, 50% of cases are asymptomatic, apparently? So there's no way of telling how many cases there are.
We'll somethings not adding up anyway.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 916 - 18/06/2021 20:04:12    2351908

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Replying To Galway9801:  "
Replying To AfricanGael:  "[quote=Galway9801:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=Galway9801:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "Nobody would have been sick if we wiped Covid out and had closed the borders, that's the whole point."
But we didn't wipe it out, it's been here since February 2020 and at no stage did we come close to wiping it out.
If the news papers and media were to be believed, even one infected person walking around freely could end up with half the country testing positive within a month, unless they were exaggerating (perish the thought).
So yeah, we'll put the internal holidaying in the "maybe" pile."
You're incorrect there, we were down to single digit cases around this time last year, so yes it was nearly wiped out. It was open borders which drove the numbers through the roof."]Single digit figures, as in positive cases? Or deaths?
No way was it positive cases. There was never a time throughout the pandemic that we were told we should be anything but terrified, who am I to believe, you, or the msm? (well, probably you in fairness lol)
If it was open borders, then why were people blaming the GAA celebrations for it?"]June 28th 2020, number of new cases reported in Ireland: (1), yes one."]Weren't the icu wards stretched to their very limit then? Nurses etc under intense pressure?
Also, 50% of cases are asymptomatic, apparently? So there's no way of telling how many cases there are.
We'll somethings not adding up anyway."]No, the numbers in ICU at that time were about 24 and falling.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1946 - 18/06/2021 20:56:37    2351919

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Replying To Galway9801:  "
Replying To AfricanGael:  "[quote=Galway9801:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=Galway9801:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "Nobody would have been sick if we wiped Covid out and had closed the borders, that's the whole point."
But we didn't wipe it out, it's been here since February 2020 and at no stage did we come close to wiping it out.
If the news papers and media were to be believed, even one infected person walking around freely could end up with half the country testing positive within a month, unless they were exaggerating (perish the thought).
So yeah, we'll put the internal holidaying in the "maybe" pile."
You're incorrect there, we were down to single digit cases around this time last year, so yes it was nearly wiped out. It was open borders which drove the numbers through the roof."]Single digit figures, as in positive cases? Or deaths?
No way was it positive cases. There was never a time throughout the pandemic that we were told we should be anything but terrified, who am I to believe, you, or the msm? (well, probably you in fairness lol)
If it was open borders, then why were people blaming the GAA celebrations for it?"]June 28th 2020, number of new cases reported in Ireland: (1), yes one."]Weren't the icu wards stretched to their very limit then? Nurses etc under intense pressure?
Also, 50% of cases are asymptomatic, apparently? So there's no way of telling how many cases there are.
We'll somethings not adding up anyway."]You're right to say that there's no way to tell exactly how many cases there were or are but I think you would agree that the numbers in hospital and the number of known cases gives some indication of how rampant community infection is and especially if the patients are spread all over the country.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1946 - 18/06/2021 21:02:43    2351921

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "
Replying To Galway9801:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=Galway9801:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=Galway9801:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "Nobody would have been sick if we wiped Covid out and had closed the borders, that's the whole point."
But we didn't wipe it out, it's been here since February 2020 and at no stage did we come close to wiping it out.
If the news papers and media were to be believed, even one infected person walking around freely could end up with half the country testing positive within a month, unless they were exaggerating (perish the thought).
So yeah, we'll put the internal holidaying in the "maybe" pile."
You're incorrect there, we were down to single digit cases around this time last year, so yes it was nearly wiped out. It was open borders which drove the numbers through the roof."]Single digit figures, as in positive cases? Or deaths?
No way was it positive cases. There was never a time throughout the pandemic that we were told we should be anything but terrified, who am I to believe, you, or the msm? (well, probably you in fairness lol)
If it was open borders, then why were people blaming the GAA celebrations for it?"]June 28th 2020, number of new cases reported in Ireland: (1), yes one."]Weren't the icu wards stretched to their very limit then? Nurses etc under intense pressure?
Also, 50% of cases are asymptomatic, apparently? So there's no way of telling how many cases there are.
We'll somethings not adding up anyway."]You're right to say that there's no way to tell exactly how many cases there were or are but I think you would agree that the numbers in hospital and the number of known cases gives some indication of how rampant community infection is and especially if the patients are spread all over the country. "]You're drawing far too many conclusions from unreliable data.

lionofludesch (Down) - Posts: 473 - 19/06/2021 11:06:06    2351969

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Replying To lionofludesch:  "
Replying To AfricanGael:  "[quote=Galway9801:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=Galway9801:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=Galway9801:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "Nobody would have been sick if we wiped Covid out and had closed the borders, that's the whole point."
But we didn't wipe it out, it's been here since February 2020 and at no stage did we come close to wiping it out.
If the news papers and media were to be believed, even one infected person walking around freely could end up with half the country testing positive within a month, unless they were exaggerating (perish the thought).
So yeah, we'll put the internal holidaying in the "maybe" pile."
You're incorrect there, we were down to single digit cases around this time last year, so yes it was nearly wiped out. It was open borders which drove the numbers through the roof."]Single digit figures, as in positive cases? Or deaths?
No way was it positive cases. There was never a time throughout the pandemic that we were told we should be anything but terrified, who am I to believe, you, or the msm? (well, probably you in fairness lol)
If it was open borders, then why were people blaming the GAA celebrations for it?"]June 28th 2020, number of new cases reported in Ireland: (1), yes one."]Weren't the icu wards stretched to their very limit then? Nurses etc under intense pressure?
Also, 50% of cases are asymptomatic, apparently? So there's no way of telling how many cases there are.
We'll somethings not adding up anyway."]You're right to say that there's no way to tell exactly how many cases there were or are but I think you would agree that the numbers in hospital and the number of known cases gives some indication of how rampant community infection is and especially if the patients are spread all over the country. "]You're drawing far too many conclusions from unreliable data."]What's more reliable than data, gut feeling ? :-).

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1946 - 19/06/2021 14:35:15    2352014

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "
Replying To lionofludesch:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=Galway9801:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=Galway9801:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=Galway9801:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "Nobody would have been sick if we wiped Covid out and had closed the borders, that's the whole point."
But we didn't wipe it out, it's been here since February 2020 and at no stage did we come close to wiping it out.
If the news papers and media were to be believed, even one infected person walking around freely could end up with half the country testing positive within a month, unless they were exaggerating (perish the thought).
So yeah, we'll put the internal holidaying in the "maybe" pile."
You're incorrect there, we were down to single digit cases around this time last year, so yes it was nearly wiped out. It was open borders which drove the numbers through the roof."]Single digit figures, as in positive cases? Or deaths?
No way was it positive cases. There was never a time throughout the pandemic that we were told we should be anything but terrified, who am I to believe, you, or the msm? (well, probably you in fairness lol)
If it was open borders, then why were people blaming the GAA celebrations for it?"]June 28th 2020, number of new cases reported in Ireland: (1), yes one."]Weren't the icu wards stretched to their very limit then? Nurses etc under intense pressure?
Also, 50% of cases are asymptomatic, apparently? So there's no way of telling how many cases there are.
We'll somethings not adding up anyway."]You're right to say that there's no way to tell exactly how many cases there were or are but I think you would agree that the numbers in hospital and the number of known cases gives some indication of how rampant community infection is and especially if the patients are spread all over the country. "]You're drawing far too many conclusions from unreliable data."]What's more reliable than data, gut feeling ? :-). "]"What's more reliable than data, gut feeling ? "

Depends on the data. It's a prime source of statistical error - drawing conclusions from data that is inadequate.

lionofludesch (Down) - Posts: 473 - 19/06/2021 16:40:56    2352035

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I really enjoyed lockdown. Made me realise how much time we spend rushing around doing pointless stuff like business meetings abroad, going to the open-plan office, standing bored in packed pubs with rubbish music on full volume. Lockdown helped me reset my priorities and make me realise I had been a busy fool for years.

essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 1050 - 19/06/2021 20:05:41    2352065

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Replying To lionofludesch:  "
Replying To AfricanGael:  "[quote=lionofludesch:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=Galway9801:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=Galway9801:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "[quote=Galway9801:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "Nobody would have been sick if we wiped Covid out and had closed the borders, that's the whole point."
But we didn't wipe it out, it's been here since February 2020 and at no stage did we come close to wiping it out.
If the news papers and media were to be believed, even one infected person walking around freely could end up with half the country testing positive within a month, unless they were exaggerating (perish the thought).
So yeah, we'll put the internal holidaying in the "maybe" pile."
You're incorrect there, we were down to single digit cases around this time last year, so yes it was nearly wiped out. It was open borders which drove the numbers through the roof."]Single digit figures, as in positive cases? Or deaths?
No way was it positive cases. There was never a time throughout the pandemic that we were told we should be anything but terrified, who am I to believe, you, or the msm? (well, probably you in fairness lol)
If it was open borders, then why were people blaming the GAA celebrations for it?"]June 28th 2020, number of new cases reported in Ireland: (1), yes one."]Weren't the icu wards stretched to their very limit then? Nurses etc under intense pressure?
Also, 50% of cases are asymptomatic, apparently? So there's no way of telling how many cases there are.
We'll somethings not adding up anyway."]You're right to say that there's no way to tell exactly how many cases there were or are but I think you would agree that the numbers in hospital and the number of known cases gives some indication of how rampant community infection is and especially if the patients are spread all over the country. "]You're drawing far too many conclusions from unreliable data."]What's more reliable than data, gut feeling ? :-). "]"What's more reliable than data, gut feeling ? "

Depends on the data. It's a prime source of statistical error - drawing conclusions from data that is inadequate."]That lad is talking about one of the Star Trek characters. Wouldn't know how to read I'd say.

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 19/06/2021 20:12:16    2352066

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The forum is about letting crowds back..I really and truly don't want to be reading the same bloody post on the pages..can people discuss what is on the forum..

CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 1375 - 20/06/2021 00:07:49    2352089

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The rest of the world will be fully open, and Ireland will be still counting cases! A country that seems to enjoy lockdown and restrictions!

Rockies (Cork) - Posts: 657 - 20/06/2021 09:28:56    2352107

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I don't know what's happened to the "Post Reply" button but it's quare difficult to see who said what recently.

lionofludesch (Down) - Posts: 473 - 20/06/2021 09:32:47    2352109

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Replying To lionofludesch:  "I don't know what's happened to the "Post Reply" button but it's quare difficult to see who said what recently."
If you find it difficult to see who said what on here, please forgive me for expecting you to be able to analyze data.

Case rested.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1946 - 20/06/2021 10:33:45    2352114

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "If you find it difficult to see who said what on here, please forgive me for expecting you to be able to analyze data.

Case rested.
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Rude.

lilylanger (Kildare) - Posts: 756 - 20/06/2021 10:48:16    2352116

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Open the the gates, the GAA is fast becoming a political arm of the Irish State .
This oppression wouldn't have been tolerated in years gone by.

UnRepentant (Fermanagh) - Posts: 8 - 20/06/2021 11:01:44    2352119

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